Didn't see this posted anywhere.  
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/0 [...] ti_nvidia/
 
Your Thoughts?

My peronal opinion is that after years of producing inferior igps for graphics, which in my opinion has helped with the decline in pc gaming, Intel is finally jumping into the fray. I think that with them in this market that it could bode well or disastrously for the current GPU makers. Im not talking about better products coming from Intel, Im talking about the influence of Intel, and the direction that graphics will head. In the end competition is good, I just hope theres enough competition (aka money) for competitors to actually contribute to the future of graphics

this will be quite interesting. but i dont think intel has anything lined up to take the crown away from ati/nvidia anytime soon. it will take atleast a few generations. but the graphic's industry could use a bit more competition no doubt. perhaps via should focus on developing high end cpu's. but i dont think they have the resource and funding to develop anything to that calibre.

when it says discrete graphics, they mean low-end graphics. so they're not trying to take the crown for the fastest gpu

Sure theyre not. Why on earth would they want to do that? If they can they will

I just hope that they decide to not make their IGPs utter crap. We've seen from ATI that it's possible to make decent low-powered IGPs, so now it's time for Intel to follow suit and produce something that will help stimulate the lower-end gaming market.

I don't hope much of Intel... thinking in lower-end gamers???

Intel isnt going to do a thing til Nehalem comes out. And thats assuming (notice the word) that Nehalem will be up and at em right outta the box for graphics too

seems like i need a graphics card for my eyes lolololol

I see two separate markets; notebooks and OEM boxes that don't come with discrete GPU's on one hand and discrete GPU's on the other hand. I do not expect Intel to put much effort into their IGP, not even as a core within Nehalem. I do expect Intel to put more effort into discrete GPU's to take on Nvidia and AMD.

Look at this if you havnt seen it http://www.intel.com/technology/ar [...] o/demo.htm

From what Im getting, Intel has let gaming down for years by never making a igp that can play games. Removing this ability from OEMs, who sell to average Joe, has helped to hurt the PC gaming indutry by not allowing the average Joe even a chance to game on his OEM rig. No seed planting for lil Joey. Now, as Intel enters the graphics market, I believe that the only reason theyre doing this is to set the tone for Nehalem. Its all PR. Just like the PR shot Intel and M$ got by giving 20 million for multicore research. About the cost to produce of one half a game according to this http://www.extremetech.com/article [...] 507,00.asp Read this, its good. So to butter the bread, theyre going discrete to lead into Nehalem IMHO, after years of raping the PC gaming community with their sad efforts/excuses of their igps

Think about it though guys, if Intel gets in this thing, if they get good graphics, even built in think about the new 3200 series from AMD being built in on some of their mobos, I bet that would even game decently.  If that's the case, it may push ppl to upgrade graphics into higher end cards, which means prices may get pushed down for everyone.  Which is a beautiful thing with the greater economies of scale.  

thats just one scenario....

Either way, competition will be good, if Joe Schmoe sees the pc can game, who knows maybe pc gaming will begin to rival ps3 and xbox 360.

 
 
Well...you must live on another planet, because PC gaming is far from declining.  Sure, the landscape has given way to new forms of gaming...mainly MMO oriented.  ...and in a strange way, even console gaming gives back something in the way of capital to PC gaming (only because of who supplies gpu's for consoles).
 
Did you know that Nvidia was the Forbes 2007 company of the year, and their overall stock margin is up 50% from last year and has an overall capital that is 20 times what it was in 1999.
 
The sky is the limit for gaming and you can all thank the uber nerds who spend 1/3 of their life playing those mindless games like WoW and Everquest.
 
There is room in this market for Intel and 5 other companies...that is how large and untapped this industry is.  Nvidia and Ati could keep their PC products going purely on their capital from their respective console based products that need absolutely no continuous investments to maintain their share of the market---Sony and Microsoft take that on with the packaging, product movement, costumer service, marketing aspects, and in some cases the actual research and development of their gpu's.
 
I welcome Intel into this arena--they already push the silicone envelope...and whatever that next chip substrate may be, it only makes sense for them to start applying that to graphical solutions.  They see the writing on the wall, and this online media revolution that we have been experiencing the last couple years, with the likes of You-Tube, online television, and every other website out there,  is starting to ramp up the graphical demands just to browse the web, let alone play games.  
 
Demanding graphics are here to stay, for whatever entertainment or educational use you could imagine.  Some may come and go, but make no mistake, there is no end in sight to this industry, and more competition makes it even better when the buck finally stops...at yours and my feet!
I say- Bring it on Intel!!!!

 
Are you sure you know what your talking about?  NVIDIA's 9800GX2 is exactly nothing but a discrete card.  Along with ATI's 3870X2.  I'm not saying intel's first gen will take the crown, but it does in fact mean they plan to compete with ATI/NVIDIA.  I see nothing but good for the consumer, whether intel succeeds or flops.

In layman's terms, regarding video processing, discrete just means that it is seperate from the motherboard.
 
Although, built-in, performance graphics solutions aren't a bad route for someone who already makes respectable motherboards.  It would also end up in the hands of large-market venders, such as Dell and H-P, for much cheaper, passing on the savings to us.  Before you know it, every basic PC sold vwould have decent graphics built right in--now imagine what kind of fire that would light under the tails of AMD and Nvidia, not to mention what that would do for software companies who rely on the population's consumption of these cards that now have unrealistic prices and hardware demands.

Firstly, Intel has been making pc components long before 1999, and it still cant produce a igp that can play games. Secondly, looking at the gaming industry, not the card makers themselves shows theres actually a decline in sales, including WOW which is about 50% of those revenues. Now I dont know what planet youre from, but thats a telling strory. And next time, when were talking about gaming, and Intels negative contribution to it, keep in mind that nVidias sales dont have diddly to do with PC gaming. Theres 2 different things here. Also, what I said about Intel holds true, and just because theyve said theyre entering into the dicrete market by no means does it mean its nothing more than a PR positioning to advance their Nehalem setup. Now, to get thids striaght, PC games sales are falling, as is their revenues, Intel doesnt have a worthwhile igp, and never has, and like was pointed out above, as you did as well, if otjhers have a chance to game on an igp, then buy a discrete instead of a console, that we all will benefit from this, which I agree. Show me some numbers about your claims, something to back up or dispute what Ive said, I have mine right here, and will gladly share them

Id like to add that some of those profits from nVidia come from consoles, as theyve made the graphics cards for some. Also, they make more than just discrete cards, their igps, which can play games unlike Intels (shame on em), mobile products and mobos. But we  are talking graphics here, not a mixed bag. My point is, why would a company thats promised longer than ANY Phenom, for years and years and years ad nauseum, that theyll soon be producing a respectable igp? By entering the discrete market, Intel only shows me one thing, that the Nehalem product is the only reason. Get people thinking Intel and graphics, something thats never been together before. The way are setups are now are going to change, without a doubt. Will there even be a discrete solution in3-5 years from now? And if there isnt? Nehalem, Fusion. But to grease the skids, Intels going discrete for now. Ill be impressed when Intel actually takes the crown with discrete NOT Nehalem