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October 17, 2008 3:28:19 AM

:heink:  I have a 750i mbo for starters.. AC7 Cooler... ATM, its sitting at 3.91 ghz.. multi x9.5 FSB 412(around there) P95 stable for 24 hours. Only thing I had to raise was Vcore, to about 1.33(CPU-Z- even though bios states 1.63 :sweat:  )

Once I hit 421x9.5 i keep hitting an error on P95. Hardware failure, rounding .5 should be .4, some crap like that between 18 and 40 minutes within the start of the test.. I have raised every volt i have in bios... CPU FBS volt, MeM volt, Nforce volt, Nf200 volt... At one point I raised ALL of them at once way above normal conditions and still it would read error.. I dont know why...



:heink:  Very Confused :pfff: 

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October 17, 2008 3:34:21 AM

Woah, do the pencil mod. 1.63 is WAY above the max voltage recommendation. You shouldn't need that much voltage anyway, but start with the volt mod.
October 17, 2008 11:42:52 AM

im sorry, i ment Bios states its 1.36 but CPU -Z shows 1.33.. But Ok, ill try the pencil mod..

Any other advice?
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October 17, 2008 11:53:34 AM

IS 1.35 for the Vcore to high for 3.91 ghz?? or does that sound about right?
October 17, 2008 12:04:10 PM

These are my temps and CPUz





Do they look right? I have it stable 24 hours on P95.
October 17, 2008 1:20:06 PM

Forgot to mention, under full load, CPU temp goes to 69c... Stable. maybe 70c here and there.. Core temp stays no higher then 32c under full load... IDK if thats good or not. My first OCing in years.
October 17, 2008 5:17:04 PM

I went up in 4 steps... first just bumped to 400 fsb with no other changes required. Then went up to 440, 450 and 460. Each of those required significant CPU voltage increases. You really should not need to change any voltages other than CPU, RAM if required(I used a 5/4 divider so only slightly overclocked) and maybe NB (don't know your board). If Prime is failing its usually from overheating, inadequate voltage on droop or possibly memory issues. Prime small unit will consistantly push mine close to tjunction at 100c and fail 1 core (using lapped chip and lapped Thermalright ultra 120 X). I really don't see prime95 stability as the holy grail of OC'ing anymore. Nothing I do on the computer comes close to stressing the system that much. I can run any benchmark suite, compress large amounts of video, compile or play games w/o issue. I have played COD4 as much as 5 hours straight w/o issue. From your realtemp pic I would suspect that maybe one of the sensors is not working right. It could also be the way your cooler is seated. The core difference on mine is 1C.

One thing I noticed... some people recommend turning off loadline calibration with 45nm CPU's. If you notice your voltage at idle you will see it drop off significantly under load (droop) i.e. prime. What that ends up meaning is you need higher voltage to start with. Once I enabled loadline calibration on my board things were much more stable. My voltage is a little high but is stable at 1.4875. Temps of course vary by room temp. Yesterday the room was down to 70F and the cores were idling in the low 40C's. The room can get up to 80F with all the heat pumped out of the case and then Idle is more like 48-50C.

Bottomline I would say you are being too conservative with CPU voltage.
October 17, 2008 8:26:26 PM

1.35 seems way too high for 3.9ghz. Mine's running at 3.8ghz and 1.264v. See how much you can lower it without losing stability. Also, 70c is pretty hot. Are you using the stock cooler?
October 17, 2008 8:30:44 PM

no AC7.. Arctic 7... ANOTHER problem. TJmax is around 55 and 60. full loasd my temp is above tj max. normal??
October 17, 2008 8:37:36 PM

stock 3.16 ghz, CoreTemp tells me 100 load 54c and 51c..... Kinda high for stock using AC7? maybe i need good thermal paste. HMMM, dnt knw.
October 17, 2008 8:40:50 PM

your temps are high because the more voltage you put into your cpu, the more heat its going to generate. core 2 cpus have a max thermal limit around 70 C so your temps are fine for now. your temps might also be high (but i dont think its the case) because your hsf is not seated properly over the cpu.
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October 17, 2008 9:00:53 PM

voltage does seem really high... i have a q9550 (worse overclocker... and a quad core)

thats at 3.85 ghz at 1.25 volts... like is 1.35 volts really necessary?

anyways you probably have a dud chip or a bad mobo... more than likely a bad mobo
October 17, 2008 9:02:54 PM

I think you're confusing TjMax with load temps... You're saying the cpu temps get to 55-60 under load?

Those temps are so high because you're vcore is way too high. My e8500 OC'd to 3.8ghz @ 1.264v is idling at 36c/32c right now with the same heatsink.
October 18, 2008 1:16:34 AM

^huh 55-60C isn't hot in my books... lool
October 18, 2008 4:22:53 AM

If you think about it though, 60c under load at stock speeds and a decent cooler is pretty hot. I know mine never got that hot with the same cooler; I think mine maxed around 50c.
October 18, 2008 10:07:05 AM

oh at stock speeds fair enough...
October 18, 2008 11:48:57 AM

I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!
Just to let you know what I am doing with my E8500 on an EVGA 790i Ultra SLI.
I have mine at 4.16 GHz tested stable on Prime95 for 14 hours(I stopped it with no errors)

My settings are:

Core Voltage 1.40625 (CPUZ says 1.368 with no load and 1.336V under 100% load)
FSB is set to 1.35V ,Default setting was 1.1V
nforce SPP is set to AUTO witch is 1.4V ,Default was 1.3V
nforce MCP is set to AUTO witch is 1.5V, the same as the Default was

My temps under 100% load stay at about 65C
I picked this speed due to the fact that the voltage is right at the intel max recommended ,the temp is well under the max, and I get a round 1 GHz OC for style points : )

Just FYI I was able to get my E8500 to benchmark a 3DmarkVantage (performance setting)score of over 30,000 at 4.6 GHz on only air cooling!

Good luck with your rig man, hope this helps a little.


October 18, 2008 1:05:18 PM

ok, this nis what im going to do. ima take a pic of all my utilities running, then take a pic of them all at 3.6, then take em all at 3.9 then take em all at 4 ghz... Take in account the voltage that I use for every stage will be the the most minimum without P95 giving me an error.. I want to know what you guys think... Maybe its my hsf, maybe its the mobo, idk but somthing doesnt feel right if ya know what im saying.. Give me some time, but hopfully all the pics will give a clear answer, i will also post all my bios pics within the voltage section for advice...


thank you...
October 18, 2008 1:12:10 PM

SOMTHING TELLS ME MY HSF IS MESSED UP... Im running on stock defualt options and my cpu core temps on 0 load is 41c and 35c.. big difference in them 2 aND KINDA high for stock.. my AC7 is on the cpu correctly but maybe I need to take it off and put on some good thermal paste and not the stock that it comes with... What do you guys think? if its that, then i wont bother taking pics and all that stuff..
October 18, 2008 2:56:02 PM

OK, before I decide to OC again, im not taking any chances. I just order Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Paste. Once that **** is on, im almost certain my temps will go down big time.. Then the only thing i will have left to blame is my chip set.....
October 18, 2008 4:03:32 PM

The temperature difference is probably just due to a faulty chip. Lots of these 45nm cpu's report faulty temps. Also, don't expect a huge difference in the pre-applied paste (MX-1) and Arctic Silver 5. You might get a 1-2c drop, but nothing much.
October 19, 2008 10:16:19 AM

hang on - you don't have AS 5 on it at the moment?
October 19, 2008 7:36:43 PM

I have similar issues. I'm using CoolMaster HyperTX2 and I have to push my E8500 to v1.33 to get 3.94 ghz. Anyone have any suggestions? I've tried to lower my vcore but then I started getting error on OCCT.

My mobo is an Asus P5Q motherboard.
October 19, 2008 7:47:57 PM

akandy said:
I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!
Just to let you know what I am doing with my E8500 on an EVGA 790i Ultra SLI.
I have mine at 4.16 GHz tested stable on Prime95 for 14 hours(I stopped it with no errors)

My settings are:

Core Voltage 1.40625 (CPUZ says 1.368 with no load and 1.336V under 100% load)
FSB is set to 1.35V ,Default setting was 1.1V
nforce SPP is set to AUTO witch is 1.4V ,Default was 1.3V
nforce MCP is set to AUTO witch is 1.5V, the same as the Default was

My temps under 100% load stay at about 65C
I picked this speed due to the fact that the voltage is right at the intel max recommended ,the temp is well under the max, and I get a round 1 GHz OC for style points : )

Just FYI I was able to get my E8500 to benchmark a 3DmarkVantage (performance setting)score of over 30,000 at 4.6 GHz on only air cooling!

Good luck with your rig man, hope this helps a little.


can you tell me what cooler you are using? Would CoolMaster Hyper-TX2 do the job or do I need something like this?

October 20, 2008 3:24:18 AM

just grab a xiggy or core contact freezer imo...

although, if you have two 250mm fans lying around.... :p 
October 20, 2008 4:43:55 AM

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just grab a xiggy or core contact freezer imo...


Well I've got an Asus P5Q mobo with 4x 1gb sticks. Would Core Contact freezer be too big?
October 20, 2008 6:05:35 AM

install the hs parallel to the ram and it should work
October 20, 2008 9:59:58 AM

CCF is smaller than xiggy! :)  just mount it so it blows out the back therefore shouldn't cover any slots? oih homeboy already said that... lol +1
October 20, 2008 1:42:35 PM

I dont have AS5 on yet. I will in a few days. just waiting for UPS hahahaa. I really hope it makes a difference. If it drops both core temps by 5c ill be happy. I think it should. Using AC7 should drop it more then it is right now.. 41c and 36c. maybe my sensors are messed up. who knows. ill let you guys know once i put the AS5 on.
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