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iluvgillgill   03-19-2008 at 03:00:13 PM

Its hard to deny the GX2 is the most powerful graphics card to date.But would you get the 9800GTX for lower price or would you still trade in for the king of 3D graphics?

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John Vuong   03-19-2008 at 03:11:12 PM
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I rather pay more to get more performance.

But if I was on a tighter budget, I'll choose the cheaper version. But right now I'll choose the GX2 over than the GTX.


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Heyyou27   03-19-2008 at 03:35:55 PM
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Neither card makes me want to upgrade; I'll keep my overclocked 8800GTX until Nvidia releases a real upgrade.

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Waspy   03-19-2008 at 03:51:17 PM
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There is no 9800GTX...yet. Cannot make this comparison until we know more about the 9800GTX.

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jay2tall   03-19-2008 at 03:56:48 PM
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Waspy wrote :

There is no 9800GTX...yet. Cannot make this comparison until we know more about the 9800GTX.


Exactly right.

Besides the GX2 is just for Nvidia to say they have the highest performing single card. (2) 8800GTS 512's in SLI would beat the thing hands down and cost much less doing it.

The rumors for the GTX don't look that impressive, but we need proof of this.

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San Pedro   03-19-2008 at 04:14:23 PM
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I'm still wondering if the 9800GX2 will work in a P35 mobo or any single PCI-E 16x mobo for that matter. Like Jay said, two 8800gts are less, so if you have an SLI motherboard I don't know why you would consider it unless you're planning on throwing $1200-1400 into your graphics cards for Quad-SLI.

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jay2tall   03-19-2008 at 04:23:45 PM
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I'm still wondering if the 9800GX2 will work in a P35 mobo or any single PCI-E 16x mobo for that matter.

Yes it should. That is one of the reasons why they had the 7950GX2 so you could have SLI without an SLI mobo.

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Undying89   03-19-2008 at 05:51:18 PM
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Exactly but rumors before GX2 was realised was same like GTX so dont look that way...
I think that 9800GTX will be best bang for the buck if price is true (349$)!

 


Ultra porformance for much less money thats sond good still wee need proof :sol:

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jay2tall   03-19-2008 at 08:40:37 PM
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Undying89 wrote :

Exactly but rumors before GX2 was realised was same like GTX so dont look that way...
I think that 9800GTX will be best bang for the buck if price is true (349$)!


Unless it is just an OCed GTS. Then it's pointless.

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dos1986   03-19-2008 at 09:59:18 PM
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Heyyou27 wrote :

Neither card makes me want to upgrade; I'll keep my overclocked 8800GTX until Nvidia releases a real upgrade.



If 9800gx2 was $450 it would be a real upgrade, its 60% faster than a Gtx in alot of popular games, but its price and Sli's brillant performance is killing it...

Nvidia have shot themselves in the foot with their Sli performance, they have made it too good lol and all single cards will have a mammoth task now trying to compete...

Like the much talked about Gt200 will have a hard time beating the 9800gx2, at best being 20% faster imo, what are people going to say then?

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tjoepie   03-20-2008 at 12:12:25 AM
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Just get two of those in one card and SLI again ...

LOL

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 01:00:33 AM
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Ok silly question, but all the reviews I have seen ( below) have been done with a QX9650 @ stock ( 3.0ghz)

http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/19 [...] 800GX2/12/

Would the Q6700 I have @ 3.20ghz, be close to a QX9650 @ stock?



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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 01:03:57 AM
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I think the difference is about 3-7% clock for clock, so it could be a bit faster

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 01:19:32 AM
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How much do you think 20% faster?

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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 01:30:07 AM
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Equal to or a bit faster

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 01:30:11 AM
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well 9800gtx reviewed in chinese website about a week ago.it have performance gain over 8800 ultra but few games require alot of memory with AA the ultra with 786mb+384bit mem bus still will out run the gtx and gx2.check out my other thread i have a link there.

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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 01:36:02 AM
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Link? And also, with more memory, the GTX will do fine, meaning that maybe a 1Gig GTX maybe coming, for higher res and or AA and AF. Theres a tweak nVidia is using on the 9xxx cards that elimanates the need for a wider bus. Compressing the data, but it still needs more Ram in some games/settings

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 01:43:43 AM
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wait get you the link!!!!

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 01:45:29 AM
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http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/gra [...] 43353.html

you dont need to read what it says.just click on the index at the bottom and look at the chart than you will understand.

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 01:52:09 AM
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any thought?

At 1920x1200 call of jaurez,half life 2,unreal tournament and world in conflict the ultra out run the 9800GTX and thats with no AA on.imagine with 4xAA which require alot of graphics memory to cache the render data,the 9800GTX will be to the GROUND!!!

i guess the old 8800GTX with high overclock will also beat that in ultra high resolution with high AA on.

Personaly Im not too optimistic about the new 9800GTX but if the romoured price is true than it will beat the 8800gtx in price/performance ratio when it was launch or even today.

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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 02:03:16 AM
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I think that if they come out with 1 GHz vram on the card, it should outperform the older 8xxx series, as thats the only thing thats holding them back at this point. The 320/384 bus, like I said, is mostly taken care of by them compressing data for the buffer. At higher clocks, higher ram, and other tweaks, itll beat the ltra in low/med res easily, and in high res with more vram IMHO. Look for about a 10% increase

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 02:05:07 AM
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jaydeejohn wrote :

I think that if they come out with 1 GHz vram on the card, it should outperform the older 8xxx series, as thats the only thing thats holding them back at this point. The 320/384 bus, like I said, is mostly taken care of by them compressing data for the buffer. At higher clocks, higher ram, and other tweaks, itll beat the ltra in low/med res easily, and in high res with more vram IMHO



The specs are not confirmed?

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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 02:07:50 AM
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Yes, but there may need to be different versions, as like whats been pointed out, at high res, or higher settings, depending on game, it falls behind, just like the X2

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 02:09:44 AM
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well on that website they have the standard reference card if you have looked.take a look if you havent.since all the graphics card are made in china.so the chinese got to test it first.i mean on that website the review come out on the same day 13th of March.

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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 02:11:00 AM
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Its reputable, and as seen with the GTX2 was right on

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 02:12:16 AM
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Nvidia got something in their bag.256bit for high end?it cant be.think!why would a high end go backward.like the 9600GT it went from 128bit to 256bit thats going forward!

and i guess there will be a 1GB version of the 9800gtx somewhere in time.i expect Gainward to come out first as they always do Golden Sample version of every card with double memory than the reference card.


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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 02:13:01 AM
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iluvgillgill wrote :

well on that website they have the standard reference card if you have looked.take a look if you havent.since all the graphics card are made in china.so the chinese got to test it first.i mean on that website the review come out on the same day 13th of March.



Yeah...

But they also had early reviews of the Gx2 and it wasnt as impressive as it is now...

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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 02:15:10 AM
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Well, lets suppose that the newest (G200 or whatever) comes out. If they once again go with a wider bus, plus the compression theyre already using, and enuff oomph to take advantage of all that, yes theyll certainly have something up thier sleeves

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 02:16:54 AM
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well but you have a general idea right?driver issue can be solved but when come to AA@high res you cant deny the fact that higher bandwidth and larger vram will be the limiting factor.because clearly the G92 is more effective and efficient at rendering graphics and performance per watt.

the gx2 still the king of graphics card today.until gt200 come out whenever that is lol

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jaydeejohn   03-20-2008 at 02:16:54 AM
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dos1986 wrote :

Yeah...

But they also had early reviews of the Gx2 and it wasnt as impressive as it is now...

Check the drivers used at the time. In some games it was as it is now, just others mysteriously got alot better

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 02:19:09 AM
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but in 3dmarks they all are the same.3dmarks tells you what the card is made of.

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 02:20:02 AM
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any of you got msn?fancy a chat on that?rather than here.its kind of "SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW" with forum

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 02:25:18 AM
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i had a general idea about the new ATI 4xxx series,as with the current 3870x2 flagship,theoratically its the most powerful card out there even got more fillrate power(1GFLOP) then the new 9800gx2 (somewhere in the region of 800-900TFLOP if i remember correctly) but maybe the architecture of the ATI GPU it was never as good in game when compare to Nvidia

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 02:50:25 AM
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iluvgillgill wrote :

well but you have a general idea right?driver issue can be solved but when come to AA@high res you cant deny the fact that higher bandwidth and larger vram will be the limiting factor.because clearly the G92 is more effective and efficient at rendering graphics and performance per watt.

the gx2 still the king of graphics card today.until gt200 come out whenever that is lol



The gt200 is a single card right?

Its going to have to be a monster to beat the 9800gx2 imo...

One 9800 GX2 costing $599 is faster than 2 8800GTX's costing $1200 when they came out.

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 03:13:48 AM
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what card do you have now?i have a 8800gts 512mb as most do.

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 03:16:44 AM
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in uk here they sell it for USD811 roughly!fukin bastards

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 03:17:11 AM
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7600gt :D

Sold my 8800gtx 3 weeks ago for €290..

Took a gamble and waiting for it to pay off now, can get a 9800gx2 for €450...

Looking at the 9800gx2 hard, but have to wait for the 9800gtx performance/price first before buying...

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 03:19:38 AM
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how can you get 9800gx2 for 450?is that in usd or gbp?

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 03:22:11 AM
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iluvgillgill wrote :

in uk here they sell it for USD811 roughly!fukin bastards



Overclockers have it for £352.49/$697

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] ubcat=1009

Euro is very strong now, doesnt work out that bad for me...

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 03:27:43 AM
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dos1986 wrote :

Overclockers have it for £352.49/$697

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] ubcat=1009

Euro is very strong now, doesnt work out that bad for me...



that is like a dodgy version isnt it?OcUK version?i mean that picture is a picture of a evga 9800gx2.how much is delivery?i live in uk as well!:)

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Heyyou27   03-20-2008 at 03:30:34 AM
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dos1986 wrote :

If 9800gx2 was $450 it would be a real upgrade, its 60% faster than a Gtx in alot of popular games, but its price and Sli's brillant performance is killing it...

 

Nvidia have shot themselves in the foot with their Sli performance, they have made it too good lol and all single cards will have a mammoth task now trying to compete...

 

Like the much talked about Gt200 will have a hard time beating the 9800gx2, at best being 20% faster imo, what are people going to say then?


There were few cases where the 9800GX2 was 60% faster than the 8800Ultra. There were even cases where the 8800Ultra was considerably faster than the 9800GX2 thanks to the extra 256MBs of memory.

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 03:32:07 AM
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Nah they are good, I bought a 7900gt a while back and it was a PNY card...

That probably is a evga 9800gx2, with Ocuk brand sticker somewhere...

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 03:34:51 AM
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how much they charge for del to uk mainland?

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 03:35:13 AM
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Heyyou27 wrote :

There were few cases where the 9800GX2 was 60% faster than the 8800Ultra. There were even cases where the 8800Ultra was considerably faster than the 9800GX2 thanks to the extra 256MBs of memory.



Games like Ut3/Half Life 2 that dont work well with Sli?

What res?

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 03:36:30 AM
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iluvgillgill wrote :

how much they charge for del to uk mainland?



£6

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 03:39:06 AM
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if offer better value then ebuyer nowaday.

well as its been proven many times before more mem always help in 1920+ res specially with AA+AF enabled

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dos1986   03-20-2008 at 03:39:32 AM
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Ebay have them cheap ( you might get caught with import duty)

http://cgi.ebay.ie/NEW-PNY-GEFORCE [...] p1638.m122

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iluvgillgill   03-20-2008 at 03:42:39 AM
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lol really depend on your luck and whether the seller sign it as.gift?or commercial product.u ever got caught??

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