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March 9, 2008 10:21:32 PM

$1000 build, not including a monitor and speakers.
I thought I had chosen the right parts, but I always went in the wrong direction, so I am starting over.
I want to do gaming (not super hardcore but when I play I want very good visuals)
I do digital art, ie. 3dsmax photoshop painter x flash, alot of it.
Thanks, and the case size is mid-tower. The cheaper the better, but I want a futureish-proof rig.

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March 9, 2008 11:55:44 PM

akore said:
I want to do gaming (not super hardcore but when I play I want very good visuals)
What kind of games do you play and what is "very good visuals" to you (what was you old rig like, just to give us a hint, sometimes just being able to play recent games at native LCD resolution without AA or AF is a great upgrade)? What resolution do you plan to use?
akore said:
I do digital art, ie. 3dsmax photoshop painter x flash, alot of it.
3DSMax would greatly benefit from a quad-core, so I would suggest a Q6600 or a Q9300 when they come out.
akore said:
I want a futureish-proof rig.
I don't really beleive in future-proofing a rig, but how long do you want to keep your rig?
March 10, 2008 12:07:26 AM

I play COD4, try Crysis, Double Agent, Halo 2, and my previous gaming rig was an xbox 360. I want to keep it without major upgrades for about 3 years (thats optimistic).
March 10, 2008 12:16:32 AM

My understanding is the 3470. I've read it works with 2400 and 3400 series. Any better cards will be on thier own.

Even with the crossfire, its probably not all that impressive, but for about $50, it'll be smoking for performance per dollar ratio.

I also like having OBG to fall back on in an emergency.

p.s.
The memory I mentioned is $120 after MIR at zip zoom fly, I just purchased a pair.
March 10, 2008 12:46:05 AM

i think the hybrid crossfire would be too underpowered for what I am looking at. I want to stay around 1000.
March 10, 2008 1:08:44 AM

Getting a Q6600 which is a quand-core and overclocks well, you might attain a fair degree of future-proofing for workstation use. I would also recommand getting 4GB or RAM in a 2x2GB config so you could possibly upgrade to 8GB later if software keeps getting bigger.

For the video card, I bellieve it's hopeless, you will change it in 12-18 months unless you are willing to lower you settings gradually over time until, in 2 years, new games (lets call them Elder Scroll 5 and Crysis 2 :p ) come out you cannot even play (I know I had a Radeon 9700 Pro until last year). You could bet on XFire or SLI as an upgrade path, but after much debate on this forum, I came to the conclusion that it might not be worth-while monetary-wise other than at short term. If I take the Radeon X800 for example, it was released about 3 years ago at for around 450$ and can now be beaten by 3-fold by a 200$ card (see the 8800GT vs X800 on Tom's chart) so even if you could SLI them, you would still be short. Moreover, card that support XFire/SLI are pricier than other, so you would pay more now just to be ABLE to add a second card in maybe 2 years, but the extra for the SLI + the new card would have costed you more that just replacing the card with a new mid-range.

I don't know much about an AMD setup for you needs, I'm sure someone else could suggest something good, but as for an Intel setup, you could go for:
  • CPU: Q6600
  • MB:Any cheap P35 like the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
  • RAM: Any 2x2GB modules that would suit a Q6600 overclocking (check on overclocking forums)
  • GPU: 8800GT (G92) like MSI's which comes with a much better cooler.
    March 10, 2008 1:33:53 AM

    Can Not said:
    4GB DDR2 1066 (4x1GB, I read that AMDs perform better that way)
    You are right, since AMD's CPU have embedded memory controller, they benefit a lot from reduced "query time" and the smaller the memory module size the faster they can access their content; Intel CPUs might benefit from this too, but to a much lesser degree. I suggested the 2x2GB option, only if he wants to go to 8GB for the future. If he doesn't, 4x1GB will probably cheaper and faster yes. Moreover, 1GB modules usually overclock better.
    March 10, 2008 2:00:27 AM

    These are some horrible idea's, why would you go with AMD if you are even mildly into digital arts? If you want the MOST for your money this is what i would suggest.

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    March 10, 2008 2:07:44 AM

    Here is a couple of modifications you can make to "Can Not"'s suggested system to make it an Intel one. It costs more (~1005$ after 30$ Mail-in rebate), but its your call to know if it's worth it.

  • Intel Q6600
  • 4GB DDR2 1066 (same as "Can Not")
  • MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800GT 512MB
  • GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
  • Seasonic 500W PSU (same as "Can Not")
  • 20X DVD-R (same as "Can Not")
  • Flash Card Reader (same as "Can Not")
  • 500GB HD with 32MB cache (same as "Can Not")
  • Case:Anter 900(20$ additional rebate with the Q6600 on NewEgg)
    March 10, 2008 2:21:24 AM

    lx_flier said:
    These are some horrible idea's, why would you go with AMD if you are even mildly into digital arts? If you want the MOST for your money this is what i would suggest.

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    With the Tuniq tower you will be able to easily, safely, and stabely OC the q6600 to 3.2ghz



    that is a really nice set up especially the benefits of an 8800GTS
    March 10, 2008 2:23:27 AM

    Okay here it goes. This will give you plenty of power for now and give you good GPU power for the $.

    CPU - $250
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad-Core Processor 2.4GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 8MB cache Retail ***Free Shipping***
    http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

    Mobo - $98 - $30 MIR = $68!! One of the best budget p35 mobo's out there.
    ABIT IP35-E LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    GPU - $277 - $30 MIR = $307!! You can upgrade within 90 days using the "Step Up" program, if you want to get the latest GPU. Limited Lifetime Warranty!
    EVGA 512-P3-N841-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    PSU - $120 - $20 MIR = $100!!! One of the best PSU's you can get in this price range. Has plenty of connections for your upgrade needs! Has 5 yr. warranty too!
    CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX ATX12V / EPS12V 650W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC, CCC - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Memory - $107 - $15 MIR = $92!! Cheap and fast CAS 4 DDR2. Allows you to upgrade to 8gb's later, if you like.
    Patriot Viper 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    HD - $100!! You'll enjoy the extra space. If you need more, just buy more now or just buy another HD later.
    Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    DVD Burner - $29 shipped!! This is the retail version, so you can view/burn DVD's, because the software is included!
    PHILIPS 2-Tone 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Case - $57 shipped! One of the better budget cases out there. Currently there aren't any really good steals, so this is what I found. I'd go for a Antec 900 or Cooler Master 690 case, if they were on sale. They usually are around $60-70 when they are on sale, so consider those when they hit the sales rack!
    COOLER MASTER CAC-T05-UB Centurion 5 Mid Tower Case (Blue) Retail
    http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

    Total ~$1,023 - $95 MIR's = $928!!! Not bad for under $1k. You can obviously find better deals if you go hunting for them, but these are from reputable online vendors, so take that into consideration. Newegg seems to have the best customer service, but doesn't always have a good price on things, so shop around before you purchase.

    Edit: Forgot to mention that you could get a aftermarket HSF for your CPU if you like. This would lower your temperatures on the q6600 and also allow better and more stable OC's, if you decide to go that way. At a minimum I'd go with the AF7 Pro and the TT120 w/120mm Scythe fan for the best results. The Arctic Freezer Pro goes for about $25 and the TT120 w/120mm Scythe fan is about $65-75 or so.
    March 10, 2008 2:36:28 AM

    Quote:
    If you want the MOST for your money

    ...With a Power Supply that is twice as expensive as what he really needs? Wow, that build could have had CL4 ram...

    I really don't think a 512MB GTS is getting the best value for your money. An 8800GT or 9600GT would be cheaper now, and 2 or 3 years from now a simple upgrade 4x as powerful would be easily available.
    March 10, 2008 4:42:32 AM

    Can Not said:
    Quote:
    If you want the MOST for your money

    ...With a Power Supply that is twice as expensive as what he really needs? Wow, that build could have had CL4 ram...

    I really don't think a 512MB GTS is getting the best value for your money. An 8800GT or 9600GT would be cheaper now, and 2 or 3 years from now a simple upgrade 4x as powerful would be easily available.


    Untill DX10.1 releases then the 3870s are going to be looking at competing with Ultras resolution aside. Avoiding Nvidia all together is about the best move you can make this year.
    March 10, 2008 5:32:54 AM

    Wow jerseygamer, come on you can't believe that much in 10.1 that you are willing to spam your comments on 3870 across all the forums.
    March 10, 2008 5:59:21 AM

    @CanNot ummm.. If you own a 8800GT (I have 2) then you would know why you would buy a 8800GTS instead for an extra $40. First off, it has a much better cooler that does not sound like a VACUUM (yes it really is that loud). Second it overclocks much better. Third, it fits into the price range. Fourth its from evga= step up program and great customer service.

    As for the PSU its a high quality psu that is the most important aspect of any build not only does it ensure all of your components are running smoothly and efficiently he also stressed "future proofing" which makes this psu ideal and for $105 700w high end psu it's a steal. Btw i would be interested to see this $52.5 psu that you speak of

    As for the memory it is his choice to go to cl4 but thats a $30 premium for a 2-3% performance increase. He could just up the voltage to 2.2/2.3 and run 4-4-4-12 for free.
    March 10, 2008 8:34:20 PM

    High quality or not, he doesn't need 700W. I guess you're right though, if you want to SLI and Crossfire 8 video cards, you'll need more than a $50 PSU.
    March 10, 2008 9:23:17 PM

    lx_flier said:
    @CanNot ummm.. If you own a 8800GT (I have 2) then you would know why you would buy a 8800GTS instead for an extra $40. First off, it has a much better cooler that does not sound like a VACUUM (yes it really is that loud).
    I heard the MSI model has a much better cooler; from pictures I've seen, it has a dual-slot like the GTS. There is also EVGA's AKIMBO line wich has extra cooling, but they seem back-order (you can buy the cooler on it's own for 40$).
    March 10, 2008 9:53:38 PM

    I agree with the list lunyone made.
    March 10, 2008 11:27:09 PM

    @Zenthar Evga's Akimbo model cost as much as a gts and its just a gts cooler slapped onto a gt. Might as well buy a gts then anyhow is main interest in digital arts so as long as he goes for an intel quad he should be fine.
    March 10, 2008 11:57:56 PM

    lx_flier said:
    @Zenthar Evga's Akimbo model cost as much as a gts and its just a gts cooler slapped onto a gt. Might as well buy a gts then anyhow is main interest in digital arts so as long as he goes for an intel quad he should be fine.
    I know, that's what convinced me of buying a GTS :p 
    March 11, 2008 1:36:46 AM

    Here's an idea. Save money, buy an amd 5000+ be, then when the new phenoms come out get one of those. Then, what video card should i get, and are the 45nm phenoms going to be better than the intel. (ugh, I wish all the new processors were out already)
    March 11, 2008 1:50:04 AM

    Go with Lunyone's list... its outstanding
    March 11, 2008 2:44:56 AM

    akore said:
    Here's an idea. Save money, buy an amd 5000+ be, then when the new phenoms come out get one of those. Then, what video card should i get, and are the 45nm phenoms going to be better than the intel. (ugh, I wish all the new processors were out already)

    Okay you can save the $ on the 5000+ BE, but you'll need to buy a CPU HSF, since the BE's don't come with a stock one. That'll cost you about $25-30 more. The mobo will be around $100 for a AM2+ one that will support Phenom and you might not get a better quad with the revised Phenom. Not sure if the Phenom will be able to keep up to a easily OC'able q6600 or not, so you can decide. The savings you'll get with going with an AMD setup would be about $100 or so over a q6600 equipped system. Yes you can get to 3 gHz w/the 5000+ BE, so you'll generally be fine there. Intel has AMD right now as far as OC'ing ability, but that may/may not play into your thoughts or not. I'd still recommend my build listed above, but if you want to go with AMD just remove the mobo and CPU from my build and install an AMD CPU and mobo. The cost will be less and the performance will be a bit different, but you can decide which way you want to go with it. Either system will be stable and will handle anything you throw at it, but if you want a Phenom later, than you know which way to go then.

    I'd get this HSF, at the minimum, if you go with the 5000+ BE. It's $27 shipped and does pretty well for most situations.
    ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    You'd be at 3 gHz for the cost of $124, so you can decide. That's $125 less than the q6600 system and you could take that $125 and put it towards a better GPU (3870x2) if you like. I'm not sure if that is what you want to do, but it's an option. I know the newer nVidia cards should be out soon, so you might want to wait for those before you decide if you want to do that. My general theory for a budget gaming rig is to have a decent CPU and a bitchin' GPU. This combo will still have a good gaming experience, IMHO. I'd much rather have a better GPU than a better CPU, if I'm gaming alot.
    March 11, 2008 5:07:31 AM

    why are all you guys trying to build a mega gamer rig?

    and if your truely into digital arts, you probably realy want a Mac. If your looking to make a Mac clone, look what chipsets and vid cards Macs use, as they will be better suported.

    March 11, 2008 5:23:28 AM

    groo said:
    why are all you guys trying to build a mega gamer rig?

    and if your truely into digital arts, you probably realy want a Mac. If your looking to make a Mac clone, look what chipsets and vid cards Macs use, as they will be better suported.

    Where is this a "Major" gaming rig? A 8800gts is a mainstream GPU. If this was a "Major" gaming rig, I would've suggested a spider platform or quad GPU type setup. I believe the build I've proposed is a good solid basic gaming rig with lots of possiblities. A $277 GPU is just a bit over a typical mainstream GPU (about $200 or so). Most people here in the forums would generally agree that a $277 GPU isn't a "major" gaming rig.
    March 11, 2008 11:07:05 AM

    akore said:
    $1000 build...I want to do gaming...but I want a futureish-proof rig.

    Again, just my opinion, Lunyone's list is outstanding, use it.
    March 12, 2008 2:09:00 AM

    Alright, I'm going to go with lunyone's list. Thank you all, especially lunyone, for helping me with this decision, I really appreciate it. BTW, how do i know if the q6600 from lunyone's list is g0 stepping?

    March 12, 2008 4:01:15 AM

    akore said:
    Alright, I'm going to go with lunyone's list. Thank you all, especially lunyone, for helping me with this decision, I really appreciate it. BTW, how do i know if the q6600 from lunyone's list is g0 stepping?

    YVW, glad I can help. You won't know from ZZF/newegg whether or not it'll be a G0 stepping CPU. You can buy it at Clubit.com, that guarantees that it'll be a G0 stepping CPU. It does cost about $5 more than ZZF's site and $5 more than newegg's site, but you'll know that you will have one.
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping Kentsfield 2.40GHz 8MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80562Q6600 SLACR
    http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A193845...

    Check back after you build it and let us know how everything worked out. We like to see if our builds work out to be good ones :) 
    March 12, 2008 9:21:28 AM

    WP luyone, great list...

    akore, enjoy the build :) 
    March 12, 2008 11:15:55 PM

    I hate to do this to you guys... my budget dropped from 1000 to 800-ish due to unforeseen events. I know you've all helped a lot, but what should I change (general or specific, whatever is easier for you) to accomodate for this new budget. I'm used to xbox 360 graphics and think they're great, and if I can play 1680x1050 on a 22" screen with better graphics on the pc that would be awesome. Thanks and sorry again, If I had cookies I would give them to you. I'm pretty sure I want to stick with the quad-core processor, but you know technology better than I.

    Thanks
    March 13, 2008 12:43:46 AM

    The budget is getting low, but I think you could still get something very descent. Based on lunyone's setup, make the following modifications:
  • RAM:Kingston HyperX 4GB(2 x 2GB)
  • GFX: XFX PVT94PYDF4 GeForce 9600GT 512MB or EVGA 512-P3-N862-AR GeForce 9600GT
    By buying the Kingston RAM, you get an additional 25$ off on the XFX or EVGA card. Therefore, the XFX combo would be ~270$ - 55$ (MIR) = 215$ for GFX + RAM and the EVGA combo would be ~270$ - 25$ (MIR) = 245$. This would drop your price by about 100-120$ I think. I would recommand EVGA over XFX only if there is a chance that, within 90 days, the 200$ that "got away" would come back and you could use EVGA's step-up program to get back to a 8800GTS.
    March 13, 2008 1:51:52 AM

    thanks everyone. this thread is now closed. don't reply anymore.
    !