Thank you so much. Was able to find something thru google that made taking ownership of the necessary folders relatively painless since that taking ownership stuff was all greek to me. Hate to say it but in a lot of ways the old DOS made so much more sense to me than windows. Was just getting used to how things worked with xp after about 5 yrs of using it when I was pretty much forced up to vista by a motherboard death. Didn't even switch to xp until forced to by a similar reason. Thanks again sub.