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Buildin a $1000 ish Gameing PC need advise

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March 12, 2008 5:39:57 AM

well for starters im using a alienware for the last 6 years... its a 2.8 P4 1 gig ram piece of **** and its gotta go...

As of right now i play star wars galaxies, and mostly always play MMO's.

I know for a fact that in the future im gonna be playin games like warhammer online even kotor online in 09... but what im tryin to build is a PC that i wont regret in a year or 2... I absolutely hate that regretful feeling when buying stuff and this is whats made me hold back on makin a new pc.

another thing that kinda scares me is overclocking... alot of ppl tell me the q6600 benefits alot from being overclocked and well... im just ordering the parts, i aint even building the damn thing. i got another guy who does it and he dont overclock cause he dont wanna be blamed for any dmg to the parts.

what i got so far is:

I value good reviews and this board seems to fit right in w/ that... its got everything i want except for the PCI x 16 2.0 slot, but im not sure if i really do need that... do i?
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813128059

i hear this cards probably the best budget/performance card. again awesome reviews and looks sick.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130325

Again lol great reviews, might be more power than i need tho. ide prefer a modular to keep the case cleaner.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817341002

My only fear here is the Go stepping... not exactly sure what it is and how exactly im gonna get it w/o a hassle.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819115017

Has good Cas, a $35 mail in rebate and great reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16820146565 x2

Dont really care about how much it holds. i use an 80 gig right now and im only using half of it.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822136012

w/ a case and dvd burner this comes out to about $1100 and theres then a $130 in rebates so im liking the price, just not sure on the actual performance of the machine... mainly will it bottleneck anywhere or give me any trouble down the road.

Edit** i forgot i only use a 22" LCD monitor, and never plan on going past that. i run 1440x900 (just a preference)
i was told that SLI is only really an option once u hit the 24" range, other than that it isnt really worth it. any truth to this?
March 12, 2008 7:48:44 AM

Yes.. True about SLI.. And it is still in an early phase... So, for resolutions below 1680X1050, you just need a good card.. The one you have picked out seems right to me, IMO... And it will still perform well above these resolutions..
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March 12, 2008 9:10:08 AM

Here's copy of a build that I put together recently, but will give you an idea on a $1k build.

Okay here it goes. This will give you plenty of power for now and give you good GPU power for the $.

CPU - $250
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad-Core Processor 2.4GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 8MB cache Retail ***Free Shipping***
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] Code=80864

Mobo - $98 - $30 MIR = $68!! One of the best budget p35 mobo's out there.
ABIT IP35-E LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813127031

GPU - $277 - $30 MIR = $307!! You can upgrade within 90 days using the "Step Up" program, if you want to get the latest GPU. Limited Lifetime Warranty!
EVGA 512-P3-N841-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130325

PSU - $120 - $20 MIR = $100!!! One of the best PSU's you can get in this price range. Has plenty of connections for your upgrade needs! Has 5 yr. warranty too!
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX ATX12V / EPS12V 650W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC, CCC - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005

Memory - $107 - $15 MIR = $92!! Cheap and fast CAS 4 DDR2. Allows you to upgrade to 8gb's later, if you like.
Patriot Viper 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820220293

HD - $100!! You'll enjoy the extra space. If you need more, just buy more now or just buy another HD later.
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136073

DVD Burner - $29 shipped!! This is the retail version, so you can view/burn DVD's, because the software is included!
PHILIPS 2-Tone 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827248008

Case - $57 shipped! One of the better budget cases out there. Currently there aren't any really good steals, so this is what I found. I'd go for a Antec 900 or Cooler Master 690 case, if they were on sale. They usually are around $60-70 when they are on sale, so consider those when they hit the sales rack!
COOLER MASTER CAC-T05-UB Centurion 5 Mid Tower Case (Blue) Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=141783

Total ~$1,023 - $95 MIR's = $928!!! Not bad for under $1k. You can obviously find better deals if you go hunting for them, but these are from reputable online vendors, so take that into consideration. Newegg seems to have the best customer service, but doesn't always have a good price on things, so shop around before you purchase.
March 12, 2008 3:14:45 PM

@lunyone ive read thru a bunch of other posts on the forums and have seen you post that same build before, but what really is the difference between that one and mine?
March 12, 2008 3:18:00 PM

also i was going to get a 10k rpm HD w/ less capacity simply for performance reasons, are u sure it wont make a big difference?
March 12, 2008 3:22:48 PM

@chuckm also while that modular PSU looks nice, its alot less power than the one i had... do i really need 700w or will 520 be more than enough? i kinda want it to be more than enough considering they are the same price
March 12, 2008 3:24:16 PM

it won't... the new seagate drives as well as the samsung spinpoint Ts are within miliseconds of the Raptors speeds, but a whole lot cheaper... so in terms of [performance it's the same thing but cheaper...
March 12, 2008 3:42:56 PM

oh and for memory, is there really a speed difference between the 800's and the 1066's?
March 12, 2008 3:59:00 PM

ok i removed my HD and Ram from my wishlist and im adding these 2


probably gonna go w/ the ram that was suggested, the patriot, for the upgrade option down the line whenever i get vista and its the closest price to my $60 ram (if i ever do upgrade tho, will 8 gigs or ram ever bottleneck from the old parts?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220293

and im goin w/ this barracuda HD from what everyone says
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822148288
March 12, 2008 4:15:47 PM

I have owned 4 Raptors and no matter what anyone tries to tell you, they do improve the overall performance of your system. I have owned others from Seagate and Western Digital, even ones with more cache and they don't perform like the Raptors. Systems seem quicker with a Raptor. Not ALL but most people that try to detour people from owning Raptors have never owned one. I will always run a Raptor as my main drive. I don't think RAID is worth it but a single Raptor is great. I have never had a Raptor fail, enterprise level means it's built to last. I have had drives fail from every other maker at some point. If reliability is an absolute necessity and you don't need 500GB of storage then the Raptor is an excellent choice. I've owned a 36GB, 2x74GB, and a 150GB Raptor X, all excellent drives. You can always add a slower large capacity drive for storage later.

March 12, 2008 6:35:03 PM

Cisco, I don't think anyone is disagreeing to the fact that raptors are faster. But the new sata drives with Perpendicular recording technology are closing that gap in performance and at a much cheaper cost.

Considering that you can get a 250GB Barracuda with Perpendicular technology for 69.99 shipped vs a 150GB raptor for 169.99 shipped people find it's better to have more storage and put that $100 into things like a GPU or more memory where they would see a huge in game performance increase instead of just load times.

I think it all comes down to budget. If you have the money I am sure Raptors are great but if someone is on a strict budget that $100 is better spent else where.
March 12, 2008 10:36:59 PM

still alota newb questions unanswered, anyone, anyone at all?
March 12, 2008 11:07:08 PM

I think it's a great build IMO! For me, personally, I'd go with the 8800GT 512 over the 8800GTS, but everything you read and hear seems to have a different take on which card is better. Some say 8800GT, some say 8800GTS, ATi cards, some say 9600GT, and so on goes the list...

Based on your statement of having newbie questions, it sounds to me like you want a system that is going to last you the long haul and you do not intend to overclock (at least not right now). Well, here's the bad news...no matter what you buy today, two years from now, you're going to be scratching your head going "what the hell?" You're heading in the right direction to play the games you see on the horizon, but its the games just after those that are going to leave you with that feeling again.

The one true benefit you will have is the satisfaction of building it yourself and saving a good $1000.00 for doing so, but no matter what...your PC will eventually become obsolete as Intel, AMD, nVidia and ATi continue to break barriers with new technology at a damn cheetah's pace. You dive in and buy today, the new processor technology drops tomorrow. You wait until tomorrow, you pay a premium price for the newest technology.

Onto your HD. I have never owned a Raptor, but I agree with many other people...the cost isn't really worth it for the performance gains. Do the 2 second decrease in load times mean enough for $100 increase in price? If you have the cash, drop it then...otherwise, follow the suggestions of some of the others and redirect the money into another part of your PC. Maybe get 4gigs of RAM...maybe wait a month and get the 9800GX2 video card when it drops on us...maybe get yourself a sound card and some nice 5.1 headphones...whatever you decide to do, it's all relative.

What you have originally started with is a good build and you should make sure you are happy and content when you click "purchase" on newegg and get those parts you've decided on.

Good luck! And remember...have fun! Get yourself a nice bottle of wine for when you sit down to actually piece this bad boy together....but drink slowly...just to get loose...don't get getting tipsy and f-ing something up.
March 12, 2008 11:32:51 PM

Pci ex-2 is nothing (at least today), but crossfire going to be a great deal.

If you do not want overclock.... still you have the benefits of Q6600.But today I recommend a GA-MA790FX mobo that supports Quad crossfire and upcomming 45n phenoms.if you want a value product try this chipset (790fx) and (770) in gigabyte/biostar or foxconn but be sure they are am2+ ready!!!!! .taday buy a 6000+ or 6400+ (not black edition which is nothing) as a value product and wait for next phenoms.

I am talking about buying a better m/b than buying a quad cpu.(to have the choice of crossfire and you can buy a better cpu next year )

I never recommend very low-priced vga cards because:
many of them changed the default clocks to lower clocks
many of them are noisy because the campany used low quality coolers.
for this time 3870 x2 performs faster with better picture quality.it costs around 450$.
or 3870 in around 190$.This is the most importent choice for gaming.
If you are nvidia fan 8800 gts is a good performed product and Evga and XFX are trusted brands.but be careful picture quality of nvidia is lower than Ati all the times in same detail option of the game and crossfire performance gain is higher than SLI.

for ATI use at least 400 watt power or higher. be sure the power have two of +12V system voltage not a shared 12V.you can find it under 100$
For nVidia you should buy a 600+ watt power.
250 gig hdd is a valuable product .you can find it under 60$

SLI and crossfire are not depend on your monitor.they improve performance .
SLI:50 % for two and nothing! gain for triple
Crossfire :80% for one and 60% gain for any more.

you can choose low priced valu rams from this or other brands. PC6400 is the only thing you need. So rebate is not importent there.



March 13, 2008 12:45:35 AM

but milliseconds is going to seconds when you use a hug data to load:
1000 millisecond=1 second
Imagine flight sim X (2006 game) with 8 GB texture in one load!
March 13, 2008 9:21:59 AM

He still won't be able to tell a difference.
March 13, 2008 11:29:22 AM

I say more ram 2x 2GB would be better of then 4x1GB so you can upgrade down the road. Your Motherboard supports 8Gb. Just a thought.
March 17, 2008 1:36:14 AM

what about this heatsink,think ill be able to OQ the q6600 to like 3.0 or 3.2 w/ it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118003

also is this case overkill? what i want is somethin thats not flashy, (no lights) keeps everything rly cool, looks nice and is somewhat quiet... (does that even exist?)

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16811119103

also went w/ this HD, does it compare to the 7200.11? the price for that one went up like $20 so since i didnt really want 500 gigs i went w/ the smaller one for $80

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822148309


oh also could anyone tell me the difference between these 3 cards? i was thinking of going w/ the one on the far right

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%2050001402%201305520548%20106791921%201068310557&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16814130312%2CN82E16814130325%2CN82E16814130337

March 17, 2008 4:39:24 AM

The heatsink looks good, lots of positive reviews. Alot of high end builds or OCing builds seem to be using that one or similar.

As far as case if you don't want all the flashy leds and simply want a good performer that looks good too mabey an antec900 with the 3 led fans replaced. You save alot of money and still get a great case with out the lights that way.

As far as HD does that one have Perpendicular Recording? It doesn't say in the discription but I see it has a large cache which can be nice. If you can get the 32MB cache and Perpendicular Recording your in good shape.

On those 3 cards I don't know enough about them to comment.
March 17, 2008 11:52:08 AM

Guaranteed GO stepping Q6600.

This Corsair PSU is a great buy at $80 w/google checkout. These are made by Seasonic.

Even this Corsair will power any single card system for $55.


March 18, 2008 3:19:16 AM

for MMO's and MMO's only should i worry about SLI? i like the board i got atm but i got this nagging feeling to make everything SLI compatible so that one day maybe when im drunk or someshit to get a second card and SLI it...

on a second note, should i worry about PCIE x16 2.0? im being told that its mainly released as a poor mans SLI so they can make cards multi core... should i wait for a cheaper board to support the 2.0 or will i be able to live w/ a standard x16 for the next 2-3 (4-5...) years?

1 more thing... should i change my DDr2 800's out for the 1066's? like in % terms what would be the increase in performance?
March 18, 2008 6:02:11 AM

I have never used dual cards myself cause I have no need too but from what people on these forums claim it's only necessary for larger monitors anyway. For the average gamer a single good card is plenty but if you plan on using a 24" or higher with high res then you may want SLI. Thou a 24" may be pushing a single good 512mb card pretty hard if you want high settings.

Even if you spend the money now for SLI in the future, it might bite you in the ass because SLIing outdated cards dosn't even compare to just simply upgrading to a better single card esspecially with these new x2 cards starting to be released. So you must ask yourself is it worth the extra $$ now when you are not even sure if you will ever use SLI with this system, or is it better to save that money and just buy a new high end card in a year or two?

With 1066 vs 800 you may see alot more OCing potential with the system. If your trying to keep costs down 4 gigs of DDR2 800 would problay be just fine. I am not sure if the extra cost of 1066 is worth the gains in perfomance because it is a big price jump. I just helped my bro build a comp with the same board your considering but we just went with 800 cause 1066 was around double what 800 is going for atm.

Alot of these types of questions your asking are all already all over tom's forums. My responses are mainly just relays of info which I learned here in the first place. I am still a noob learning alittle more everyday so take my responses with a grain of salt. Just browse around and use the search function if you need to, if your not getting responses from the pros in your thread it's problay because it's already around here and you just need to find it.



March 18, 2008 2:54:45 PM

so my real problem comes down to future proofing... do i want pci-e 2.0 for the future (2-3 years) and if do, ill be forced to get a sli board. so should i step up the psu and memory while im at it to have the sli option?

i checked the rest of the forums, i see alot of posts about 2.0 bein worthless right now, but what if in 2-3 years i wanna upgrade my video card, and it turns out i need 2.0 and i gotta upgrade everything then...
March 18, 2008 6:36:34 PM

i am / was having this problem myself for my upcoming build, but i decided for the cheaper x16
not only is this more than enough for today's cards and the 9800 (presumably) but even cards that in the future use more than x16 will work in the x16 slots.
but the biggest point is that if you want a system that is good in 2-3 years, your mobo will have to be dumped anyway because the new processors will use a different socket. in 2-3 years, at least 1, most likely two generations of processors and gpu's will be out and if you want your computer to be able to run the new games at high you will need these parts. an expensive 780i or x38 board wont be enough for 2-3 years anyway. furthermore you have ddr3 coming soon, which will at some point offer better performance. basically when upgrading in 2-3 years you will need a new mobo, gpu and ram, so you re better off saving a few hundred today, for the same performance. you can only be "futureproof" one, maybe 2 years at a time (at least today) because there is so much new technology coming out. and since today, x16 is as good as pci-e 2.0 and will be for a year or two, if you are on a budget and dont want to throw money away, or if you are not a super enthusiast that craves the best of the best, then.... you know what to do
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