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March 22, 2008 6:39:44 PM

So I have an oppurtunity to pick up an XFX 7800GT for $50. I'm only 16 and have a VERY tight budget, so I only have a 6600GT right now. I've been really busy and havn't been able to upgrade for quite some time.

I'm wondering if i should take the 7800 for now b/c its so cheap, and can be O'C'd to GTX like speed, or hold out/save a while longer and pick up something better, like a 8600GT or 8800GTS or possibly a 9600. I don't need to play at that high of resolution, as i have only a 17" moniter. I do like to put up the GFX tho...

also, how much of a bottleneck(if any) would my CPU be? P4 3.0GHz Prescott


lemme know what you think

thanks

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March 22, 2008 6:45:18 PM

even with the 7800 being only $50?
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March 22, 2008 6:52:17 PM

Yeah I would say no go on a 7800GT. It was a good card in its time but its old technology. Save your hard earned cash. Thats $50 that you can always put towards something better.
March 22, 2008 7:18:05 PM

I think he should take the 7800GT... simply because it's a much better option over his current card.

Sell the 6600, buy the 7800... and be happy. Ok so the 8600's perform better but you've managed with a 6600 for so long... you're going to see a huge improvement in your gaming with even a 7800.

So go for it, you'll not regret it, not for $50 anyway.
a b U Graphics card
March 22, 2008 7:27:39 PM

I would take a $75 8600GT over two 7800Gts. Upgrade from a 6600GT to a 7800GT? This isn't 1956. LOL. Why?
a b U Graphics card
March 22, 2008 7:32:07 PM

I have two 6600Gts, Two 7800Gts, Two 7600Gts, 1900GT, 1800XT, 7900GTO, Two 800GTOs, 9200 radeon, and a 5950 Ultra all running currently. I would take the 8600Gt over any of them.
March 22, 2008 7:35:19 PM

He's not getting two 7800GT's... only the one.

Badge seriously consider this guys needs... he's playing at a low resolution and has managed with a 6600GT for ages... All he wants to do is ramp up the graphics settings in games and still maintain fluid gameplay.

For $50 the 7800GT will allow this on the titles he plays.

I dont think this guy's too fussy about FPS... aslong as his games are playable with plenty eye candy he's happy. He could still make a few $ back on his 6600GT, which would further reduce the cost of the 7800GT. After O.C the 7800GT (Yielding better O.C results due to 256 bit bus)... I wouldnt be surprised that the card out performs the 8600GT, and he's had to pay nothing extra in order to do it.

Badge you're judging this guy based on your own needs. He's 16 years old and this is an upgrade that is going to last him a while, or till he's saved up some more. So buy the card now, pocket the money from the 6600GT and when you find your 7800GT is no longer cutting it in the games you like to play the most, you'll have surely saved enough money to buy a card that doubles the performance of your 7800GT... instead of buying a more expensive card now that doesnt really outdo the 7800GT by any great margin.
a b U Graphics card
March 22, 2008 7:39:23 PM

Yeah,, but your advice to OP makes no sense at all. Replace the 6600Gt with a measly 7800GT? And FORGET about making the right choice and getting a 8800GT! The 8600GT kills the 7800GT. Go fight with with your relatives. Tell them you hooked the 6600GT and 7800GT together and it they still would outperform the 8800GT. You are ridiculous. You deserve to be flamed off the site.
March 22, 2008 7:54:05 PM

badge said:
I have two 6600Gts, Two 7800Gts, Two 7600Gts, 1900GT, 1800XT, 7900GTO, Two 800GTOs, 9200 radeon, and a 5950 Ultra all running currently. I would take the 8600Gt over any of them.


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You are ridiculous. You deserve to be flamed off the site.



Hmmmmm, I'm not the one with at least 9 PC's in the house.... What sounds more rediculous?

Me advising a 16yr old on whether he should buy a very reasonably priced 7800GT....

Or you, the Ultimate in 'Having a PC in Every Room in the House' technology?

It sounds to me Badge that you see website's as a place to belittle people and prove your superiority. In this case, you've failed... Do you think that 'flaming' a person from a website is going to make one little difference to their life? It seems you do, or else you wouldnt of brought it up.

Sort your head out... I was only offering advice to someone who needs it. Just because my advice is the opposite of yours doesnt make any one of us right here. But yeah go ahead and flame me all you want if you feel it'll improve your online reputation with other like-minded tosspots.
March 22, 2008 7:56:42 PM

hah a 8600Gt over a 7800GT?
I don't think it "kills" it.
If it does pleaseeeeee show me.
How can you call a 7800GT measely? I don't see you owning any highend cards. Plus it performs around a x1900 which a 8600GT doesn't.
Ok heres the chart
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...
I think the 7800GT beats it??
But not a 8600GTS. If he has only $50 then its better than a $70 8600GT or a $90 dollar 8600GTS.

Op, if the card is only $50 bucks I'd do it. Shoot its 256bit at least.
If you don't want it i'll buy it, I have only $50 bucks and im on a extremely tight budget to. Im using a X600 right now!


March 22, 2008 7:58:56 PM

dev1se said:
Quote:
You are ridiculous. You deserve to be flamed off the site.



Hmmmmm, I'm not the one with at least 9 PC's in the house.... What sounds more rediculous?

Me advising a 16yr old on whether he should buy a very reasonably priced 7800GT....

Or you, the Ultimate in 'Having a PC in Every Room in the House' technology?

It sounds to me Badge that you see website's as a place to belittle people and prove your superiority. In this case, you've failed... Do you think that 'flaming' a person from a website is going to make one little difference to their life? It seems you do, or else you wouldnt of brought it up.

Sort your head out... I was only offering advice to someone who needs it. Just because my advice is the opposite of yours doesnt make any one of us right here. But yeah go ahead and flame me all you want if you feel it'll improve your online reputation with other like-minded tosspots.


Lol don't waste your time on badge, right now hes acting like a noob. He probably had bad experiences with his cards. :D 
March 22, 2008 8:01:12 PM

I was ready to offer him a handful of fish hooks for the next time he decides to self-pleasure himself... presumably infront of PC one.. located in the basement
March 22, 2008 8:03:02 PM

I went from a 7600 GT (pretty much the same as a 8600 GT w/out DX10) to a 7800 GT and the 7800 GT was a much better card in most of the games I played.

My 3d marks went up by about 25% with the 7800 GT.

March 22, 2008 8:10:21 PM

dev1se said:
I was ready to offer him a handful of fish hooks for the next time he decides to self-pleasure himself... presumably infront of PC one.. located in the basement

OUCH! :lol: 
March 22, 2008 8:21:14 PM

i would take the 7800gt over an 8600gt. having owned a 7800gt i can see that the 7800gt is a more viable option; especially because of the opportunity of getting it at such a low cost. the 8600gt MAY fair slightly better over the 7600gt in shader intesive games, but thats about it. There is a slight gap between the two, price and performance wise. if your willing to about double your budget, you could get about ~25-50% more performance. IMO, i don't think its worth it, but badger does have a point.

P.S. I'm the same age as you ;P The way i afford all of this stuff is by saving up from a job. Its been working since i was 14, so i recommend you find some crap job to do too (its worth it)

good luck w/ your choice.
a b U Graphics card
March 22, 2008 8:50:59 PM

This 7800GT owner says avoid them now. $50 isn't bad, but still not great either. The whole GF7 series should be avoided IMO (if other options exist in the same price bracket) as they tank in too many new titles. For $50 you could have a brand new HD2600XT that at least in some games will kick the poop out of a 7800GT. Older games it won't, FSAA neither would be great. But if you care about UT3, Crysis, COD4, Oblivion, or Need for Speed tiltes, you would be better off with an HD2600XT or 8600GTS than a 7800GT or 7900GS.

A few examples of games where HD2600XT > GF7's: Keep in mind a 7800GT is basically a slightly lower clockd 7900GS.

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=693&p=5
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3128&p=4
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=698&p=2


OK, the rebate expired yesterday for the $50 Sapphire GDDR3. But look at the higher clocked GDDR4 HD2600XT with the Witcher for $70 shipped AR. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or if NV is your thing, a passive 512MB 8600GT with the Witcher for just a bit more:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


March 22, 2008 10:19:11 PM

@ monst0r: yeah, i get crappy jobs in the summer, and i was going to do some big stuff last fall, but I blew ~400 on and Xbox and **** to go along with that. I hadn't played on my PC for a while and got caught up in the pre-Halo 3 excitement.

and about newer games tanking on 7 series cards-does that really happen?
my friend gets decent framerates on with COD4 an X700 pro and a AMD64 3200+...(albeit at low settings)


If i do get this 7800GT, i'm planning to OC it into GTX territory...
any thoughts on that

and thanks so far all, i really appreciate the help
March 22, 2008 10:54:11 PM

I agree with pauldh, I'm a former 7950GT owner and I too think that the 7 series should be avoided. For games like HL2 and Counterstrike it rocks even at high resolution. On games like COD4 and GRAW2 I had to play on a combination of medium to low settings to get decent frames and that was on 1280x1024.

Like I said its $50 more than you can put towards something nice, such as a 9600GT. The experience will be far better and you can play your games the way that they are meant to be played.

You already have a 360 so that will hold you off for sometime but what titles are you itching to play on PC?
March 23, 2008 12:15:42 AM

cod4, BF series, HL2+episodes, fear, stuff that catches my eye.

Idk really, iv'e been too busy with other stuff to keep an eye on what games to pick up lately
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 12:19:57 AM

Might I ask whether your 6600GT is AGP or PCI Express? I would assume PCIe if you are intending to get a 7800GT, but if you don't know, you better find out.
March 23, 2008 12:43:14 AM

randomizer said:
Might I ask whether your 6600GT is AGP or PCI Express? I would assume PCIe if you are intending to get a 7800GT, but if you don't know, you better find out.


that's a good point. agp or pci-e is definitely a deciding factor here.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 12:54:26 AM

felix2792 said:
cod4, BF series, HL2+episodes, fear, stuff that catches my eye.

Idk really, iv'e been too busy with other stuff to keep an eye on what games to pick up lately

Not sure on your desired resolution, but The 7800GT will handle 1280x1024 fairly well in all those games. COD4 will be the hardest one for it. Don't expect to use FSAA in COD4. Along with COD4, other weak games for the 7800GT's will be Crysis, UT3, Oblivion, Need for Speed: Carbon & Pro Street. Maybe others too, but I know in these games the GF7's fall behind their typical competion. I still personally think the HD2600XT, 8600GTS, and (now rare) X1950 pro are much better cards for current/future games. And the $110 8800GS is like twice the card compared to all of these, but over twice the price of that 7800GT too.
March 23, 2008 1:03:26 AM

dev1se said:
I think he should take the 7800GT... simply because it's a much better option over his current card.

Sell the 6600, buy the 7800... and be happy. Ok so the 8600's perform better but you've managed with a 6600 for so long... you're going to see a huge improvement in your gaming with even a 7800.

So go for it, you'll not regret it, not for $50 anyway.

exactly. There's over a 100% difference between the 2 in performance wise when you're talking overall games: http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...
If you can pick it up for 50 bucks, then it's obviously a good deal. It will be hard to find a better deal in that price range. I guess its something that you will have to decide, whether it's worth it or not.
March 23, 2008 1:17:53 AM

DONT LISTEN TO THESE GUYS OP!

I never owned a Geforce 7800, but i have both a Geforce 7600 GT and a Geforce 7950 GX2.

the geforce 7600 GT will play Oblivion BF2 and a few other games at a 1280x1024 on MEDIUM settings, crysis and cod4 will be lower of course but at least playable WITH THE GEFORCE 7600 GT.

This is of course is a step higher so you will be fine as long as you dont want max settings.

If you can go to craigslist and look for cheap 7000 and 8800 series.
Got a Geforce 7950 GX2 for $120, also seen some 7900's for $50-$90'ish.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 1:20:55 AM

pauldh said:
I still personally think the HD2600XT, 8600GTS, and (now rare) X1950 pro are much better cards for current/future games.

Agreed. My X1950 pro can play COD4 at max graphics at 1280x960 with 4xAA, however I usually prefer to run 1024x768 and 4xAA because AA has less of an impact than resolution in this game. I also run normal and specular map on high istead of extra because I get bugs with them on extra where if I look in the "wrong" direction my framerate drops to ~10FPS until I look away.
March 23, 2008 1:24:05 AM

and for those who dont know, the geforce 7950 GX2 is giving me 8800 GTS performance (the 320 MB version) which i also had 1 of those, only difference between the 2 is that the 7950 GX2 is not as hot (believe it or not).
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 1:26:55 AM

That was one of the things that the 7950GX2 was praised for: low power consumption (for a dual card solution).
March 23, 2008 1:28:20 AM

yeah but everyone said there was alot of heat which they were wrong, and they also complained the 9800 GX2 would have alot of heat before it came out.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 1:29:39 AM

I think the 7950GX2 had a better cooler than the 9800GX2 though, although I can't quite remember what it looked like.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 1:32:55 AM

felix2792 said:
So I have an oppurtunity to pick up an XFX 7800GT for $50. I'm only 16 and have a VERY tight budget, so I only have a 6600GT right now. I've been really busy and havn't been able to upgrade for quite some time.

I'm wondering if i should take the 7800 for now b/c its so cheap, and can be O'C'd to GTX like speed, or hold out/save a while longer and pick up something better, like a 8600GT or 8800GTS or possibly a 9600. I don't need to play at that high of resolution, as i have only a 17" moniter. I do like to put up the GFX tho...

also, how much of a bottleneck(if any) would my CPU be? P4 3.0GHz Prescott


lemme know what you think

thanks


AGP Or PCIE?

The Prescott is a crap chip for todays standards

Other system specs (PSU, motherboard, memory)
March 23, 2008 1:35:33 AM

exact same cooler as the geforce 7600 Gt.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 1:41:05 AM

apache_lives said:
The Prescott is a crap chip for todays standards

While that is true, upgrading his 6600GT will be a much better idea than upgrading his entire system. This is a kid with a really low budget, he doesn't need a quad, he needs a "new" video card.
March 23, 2008 1:42:03 AM

chaosgs said:
yeah but everyone said there was alot of heat which they were wrong, and they also complained the 9800 GX2 would have alot of heat before it came out.

The reasons people were complaining about the heat of the 9800GX2 before it came out were:
1. 8800gt's were pretty and putting them together would be hotter.
2. At a certain convention the box had a warning sign for heat if touched.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 1:43:50 AM

And they do run hot. My dads 8800GTS G92 heatsink burns my hand if I touch the exposed aluminium on the side. Now imagine sticking two together with a crappy cooler.
March 23, 2008 1:51:34 AM

If you ever watched "The Terminal" you could do the same thing that Tom Hanks does to get his hambuger and fries. By the time your eighteen you could even get an overlypriced highend card
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 1:56:40 AM

chaosgs said:
DONT LISTEN TO THESE GUYS OP!

I never owned a Geforce 7800, but i have both a Geforce 7600 GT and a Geforce 7950 GX2.

the geforce 7600 GT will play Oblivion BF2 and a few other games at a 1280x1024 on MEDIUM settings, crysis and cod4 will be lower of course but at least playable WITH THE GEFORCE 7600 GT.


You are missing the point. It's not whether they can play thoses games (I told him they would). It's just it's not the best performance for the buck for newer games. Unless it's an XFX, it's a used card with no warranty that gets outperformed in those games by brand new cards costing nearly the same after rebate. Whether you want to believe it or not, there are many games now that the GF7's suck at compared to cards they normally or once competed well against. The 7800GTX 256MB, 7900GS and 7900GT often no longer come close to competing with cards like the X1950 pro, 8600GTS, and even the cheap HD2600XT (without fsaa).

They drop low fps in Oblivion out in the foliage LINK, get blown out in NFS:Carbon (and pro street) LINK, Absolutetly Blow at UT3 where the $50AR HD2600XT beats the 7900GTX LINK and LINK, Get outperformed in COD4 LINK, and also in Crysis LINK. Shoot, we could go on to other new games like the HL2 EP2, TF2, MOH;Airborne, etc. where they(7900GT & GS) compete but still lose to cards like the HD2600XT, X1950 pro, 8600GTS. Plus, their image quality is worse, (especially with NV's driver default optimizations turned on), and they don't support FP16 HDR + FSAA in games like Oblivion and Farcry. If there were no other options of brand new cards near his $50 price, then fine. But that is not the case and he would be better off IMO with a brand new slightly more expensive card instead. As a bonus, the MSI HD2600XT and 8600GTS even come with the Witcher for free and have a nice $60-80 price tag.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 2:04:17 AM

randomizer said:
Agreed. My X1950 pro can play COD4 at max graphics at 1280x960 with 4xAA, however I usually prefer to run 1024x768 and 4xAA because AA has less of an impact than resolution in this game. I also run normal and specular map on high istead of extra because I get bugs with them on extra where if I look in the "wrong" direction my framerate drops to ~10FPS until I look away.

Yup, too bad supply of these didn't remain strong as their shader power has kept them gaming well. If they were found new in the $50-$75 range, they would still be great buys. Stretching above $75 (in the USA), IMO you just have to spend the $110 for the evga 550/1600 clocked 8800GS.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 2:05:30 AM

In Australia, the X1950pro is still $140 minimum, not a great buy.
March 23, 2008 2:55:34 AM

I'm really star-struck here...I'm failing to understand how my x1650xt is doing so well with these games when 7900's are struggling. I've gotta be missing something, or maybe my hardware just likes each other. If i were you, I'd take it if i couldn't find a cheap 2600xt.
March 23, 2008 6:59:26 AM

frozenlead said:
I'm really star-struck here...I'm failing to understand how my x1650xt is doing so well with these games when 7900's are struggling. I've gotta be missing something, or maybe my hardware just likes each other. If i were you, I'd take it if i couldn't find a cheap 2600xt.


I guess everyones definition of "playable" differs. We even find that to be true depending on which Crysis benchmark you look at. Some will say 30FPS is playable, others will say 60FPS is a minimum for a game to be playable. Some can live with playing there games on low and other demand max resolution will all filters. I don't think that one is more or less reasonable some like there coffee sweet, some like it strong, and some like it Irish.

For me going from a 7950GT to an 8800GTS was like entering another dimension and it allowed me to experience PC gaming at a much more enjoyable level. Not saying that the OP has to get an 8800 to enjoy his games but I just think theres others to consider without breaking the bank or with a little bit of saving.

For me and my 7950GT, playing COD4 with 50 players accompanied by airstrikes, helicopters, explosions, and smoke grenades going off every half a second was not a fun experience at higher resolutions or full graphics.

But on another note although I can side with those who say that its a good deal going with the 7800GT, I think theres a difference between a good deal and a good investment. Sure no matter what peice of hardware you buy goes obsolete in a few months but the OP will get alot more miles out of something like a 8800GS or 9600GT than a 7800GT.
March 23, 2008 12:12:00 PM

pauldh said:
SUpply is almost totally dried up here. if you do find one they are bad buys here too. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think I'd rather save a few bucks and get one of these for $110. ;) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

One thing that you may not realize is that the OP is a kid.$60 more dollars isn't something you can pull out, out of nowhere if you are on a tight budget like him.

If you can absolutely save no more money, than get the 2600XT.
The 7800GT is good and will perform similarly to it, but future games get me worried it won't perform as well.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 12:14:09 PM

randomizer said:
In Australia, the X1950pro is still $140 minimum, not a great buy.


Nothing is a decent price in Australia, even the main suppliers around the place are pathetic.
March 23, 2008 1:42:47 PM

felix2792 said:
So I have an oppurtunity to pick up an XFX 7800GT for $50. I'm only 16 and have a VERY tight budget, so I only have a 6600GT right now. I've been really busy and havn't been able to upgrade for quite some time.

I'm wondering if i should take the 7800 for now b/c its so cheap, and can be O'C'd to GTX like speed, or hold out/save a while longer and pick up something better, like a 8600GT or 8800GTS or possibly a 9600. I don't need to play at that high of resolution, as i have only a 17" moniter. I do like to put up the GFX tho...

also, how much of a bottleneck(if any) would my CPU be? P4 3.0GHz Prescott


lemme know what you think

thanks


I would get the 7800gt. You are 16 with not a lot of money. I don't think some people take into account that $10 to you is like a $100 to us with jobs. I had a similar setup to yours when I had a P4 @ 3.2 and a 6600gt. I purchased a 7800gt and it smoked the 6600gt. Heck, I gave my 7800gt to my cousin when I got my 3870 and he said it was a sizable step up from his 6800. The 7800gt will allow you to turn on more eye candy at lower resolutions compared to your current card. As you can see from the vga charts

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

You get over twice as many FPS by stepping up to the 7800. You can overclock and get even more performance.
March 23, 2008 2:11:56 PM

I hope he goes for the 7800GT.... He'll still be able to sell it in a couple years and probably fetch $30+ for it... not a bad investment in my eyes.

You can lose so much money buying new hardware... but that card in my eyes is worth $50 (£25 in the UK)... as there's NO £25 graphics card available in the UK with 7800GT performance.
a b U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 3:39:49 PM

dev1se said:
... but that card in my eyes is worth $50 (£25 in the UK)... as there's NO £25 graphics card available in the UK with 7800GT performance.

Yup, and in that situation it is a good buy. Here in the States, where I assume the OP is from, things are different. He has other options for $50-70. All last week you could get a GDDR3 HD2600XT brand new for $50 after a $20 mail in rebate. Now if he doesn't have access to a credit card for this purchase, or the rebate scares him away, then sure the 7800GT looks good. He would still be alot better off finding a used X1900GT, X1950GT, X1950 pro or even X1800XT though.

I didn't check this out and am not saying bid on it without doing so. But this X1900GT is easily better than a 7800GT. It will keep up in old games, beat it with fsaa, and crush it in some of the new games. IMO, You would be crazy to pay the about the same for a 7800GT compared to a card like this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-Radeon-X1900-GT-GDDR3-256-MB-PC...

In my own gaming machine, I went from an evga OC'ed 7800GT to an X1800XT, and the X1800 absolutely blew it away in many of my games. Oblivion and Need for Speed Carbon were where I first saw the 7800GT dissapointing. I still have the 7800GT in a spare machine, and that's partly why I feel it's important to expand his options to similar priced better cards for current (and I feel future) games.


Here is another example. Under $50 shipped with 4 hours to go, and an X1950XT will beat the 7900GTX, never mind a 7800GT. It's twice the card for currently the same price as his 7800GT.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sapphire-ATI-Radeon-X1950-XT-256Mb-...
March 23, 2008 5:15:17 PM

You make all good points, but you're not seriously telling a kid with $50 to his name to buy a very old card off of ebay, are you?

PS - Oblivion was so much better for me with the 7800 GT coming from the 7600 GT. It all depends on your frame of reference.
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