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March 23, 2008 4:45:09 PM

Ok I only have $50.
Im getting tired of waiting for prices to drop and Im not making any money ATM so Im wondering if I should get a X1950pro through ebay. (plus Kanes Wrath is coming out this week)
How does this look? This one won't go anywhere so I can keep an eye on it.
Its refurbished so it looks a bit iffy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sapphire-ATI-Radeon-X1950Pro-256MB-...


Im really interested in this one, but does anybody know if the zerotherm will take up two slots?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sapphire-X1950XT-256MB-PCI-E-Video-...


If anybody can find a (single slot) card there that will play most games maxed (cod4, cnc3) I'll gladly look into it.



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a c 130 U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 5:15:36 PM


Its a job to be certain. I havent owned one but i do beleive that the zerotherm would require two slots. the price on the other is good but you have to accept that you are taking a chance buying anything electrical from ebay.
mactronix
March 23, 2008 5:30:32 PM

Are you sure that it will take 2 slots? The X1950XT is what I really want. It has all the cables too.
im 15 please give me a break.
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March 23, 2008 5:42:27 PM

i have an extra x1950xt here. how bad do you want it?

edit: it's dual slot tho.
March 23, 2008 5:58:57 PM

aznstriker92 said:
Are you sure that it will take 2 slots? The X1950XT is what I really want. It has all the cables too.
im 15 please give me a break.


the zerotherm does take up two slots, and what is this all about i'm 15 gimme a break, dude no one give's anybody a break [if you can give/help others that makes u a better person for it, point being learn to give b4 you get so comfortable with receiving], the sooner you understand this the better you will do in life...

P.S. dude seriously just go for the x1950pro, its single slot, and will play C&C3 kane's wrath, I personally can't wait for it since it does include the beta for red alert 3....

for $50 you can't beat that deal...but do heed mactronix's warning, nothing in life is guaranteed, the guy who is selling those $50 1950's has a 3,000 ish feedback score, with a rating of 98.6% I would buy form him if I were in your shoes is all I'm saying.
March 24, 2008 1:33:47 AM

Also the X1950 is refurbished, is that ok?
I also heard that the X1950 dosen't oc very well.
March 24, 2008 3:25:40 AM

aznstriker92 said:
Also the X1950 is refurbished, is that ok?


you might want to look at your local craigslist. depending on where you live, you can get some good stuff.

in my experience, refurbed stuff usually is fine, it just dosen't come in retail packaging or with some of the accessories that might come with something that you bought new.

I'm just wondering, what can you really refurbish on a graphics card? The HSF?
Maybe its just been pulled from somebodys PC and sprayed down with compressed air to prepare it for sale, and it's not really refurbished

a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2008 3:47:19 AM

felix2792 said:
Maybe its just been pulled from somebodys PC and sprayed down with compressed air to prepare it for sale, and it's not really refurbished

That's what I would do.

@aznstriker: I'm looking to sell my powercolor X1950 pro, but shipping to the US is probably gonna cost around $20. It does come with most of the original packaging at least :D 
a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2008 3:50:43 AM

I'm hoping that you have a PSU that can handle that x1950pro/xt. They are a bit power hungry and if memory serves me right they are looking for 26-28A on the 12V rail(s) to support a x1950pro/xt.
a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2008 3:55:21 AM

An X1950 pro could run on 22A, the XT would be looking more at 23-24A. You'd want a 29-30A PSU to account for capacitor aging and upgrades though.
a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2008 4:31:38 AM

randomizer said:
An X1950 pro could run on 22A, the XT would be looking more at 23-24A. You'd want a 29-30A PSU to account for capacitor aging and upgrades though.

Yep, that is probably why 26-28A was on my mind. Most upgrades these days seem to forget about the PSU, so I thought I'd mention that upfront, so there wouldn't be any surprises when they hit the power button.
a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2008 5:01:19 AM

*pop*
March 24, 2008 5:28:21 AM

That 1950pro looks like a hell of a deal.
March 24, 2008 4:38:23 PM

aznstriker92 said:
Thanks for the advise frozen gpu.
Well I want a card to last as long as possible...
But the X1950pro is noticably slower than the X1950XT right?
Also is this single slot?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


yeah it does look like you would loose a slot to it, so I think that cooler isn't single slot.

Also what are the specs for your power supply, how many amps on the 12v rails, or combined amps?
March 24, 2008 10:43:12 PM

I have a Dell 305watt with 22A on dual 12v rails so I think im fine for a X1950pro.
I think I will just get that one on ebay and since it dosen't come with accessories, I'll have to buy a 6 pin pciexpress to 4 pin molex from newegg.
But I heard that the X1950pro is a bad OCer.
Also How well does it perform in COD4, and CNC3? Those are my main games.
Also I hope 256mb is enough at 1280 1024 with 7 brutal bots on a 500x500 map in cnc.
a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2008 11:00:12 PM

Not sure that the Dell 305w PSU is going to work, but I know that other people say that the Dell PSU's are sometimes under-rated. I just don't like to push things when it comes to PSU's. They are probably the most important thing on a PC. If you don't have stable and reliable power, than you will have issues sooner or later.

Edit: forgot to mention that your PSU may have some level of capacitor aging, depending on how old the PSU is. So if it's rated at 22A, but is 2-3 yrs. old, you could be down to 20A or so. Just keep this in mind. Also you'll be stressing this PSU more so it might react different than what you currently experience. I'm just stating this right now, so you don't come back and say that it doesn't work or that you fried some parts when you turned your computer on for the first time after installing the GPU.
March 24, 2008 11:01:44 PM

Well some people run 8800GTs on that thing.
a b U Graphics card
March 25, 2008 1:33:42 AM

The recommended 12v for the X1950 pro is 30 amps, which assumes a pretty loaded system. 26 would probably be fine, but I wouldn't expect 22 amps to work out too well for you. Depends on system load of course, but 22 amps points more toward an HD2600XT/8600GTS max to me.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-h...


March 25, 2008 2:20:53 AM

Well Im confident that I should be fine. I have a pentium D920 @ 3.2ghz, 2 gig ram, 250gig HDD, a DVD/CD drive one 250mm fan.
March 25, 2008 3:10:50 AM

yea....
March 25, 2008 3:58:36 AM

I have a Dell 250 watt psu from 2002. It powers my main rig: Pentium D 805 @ 3.1 Ghz with Radeon 9500 pro GPU.
a b U Graphics card
March 25, 2008 5:22:13 AM

aznstriker92 said:
Well Im confident that I should be fine. I have a pentium D920 @ 3.2ghz, 2 gig ram, 250gig HDD, a DVD/CD drive one 250mm fan.

Good luck with it, just don't come back later and wonder what went wrong. I'm just cautious and don't want people to end up with a bad computer experience.
a b U Graphics card
March 25, 2008 11:35:06 AM

Hopefully you are fine. If you have instability while starting/playing games, you'll know why. Good luck.
March 25, 2008 5:12:47 PM

aznstriker92 said:
Well some people run 8800GTs on that thing.


yeah well, the x1950pro is still based on an older process, than the G80, so there is still a chance the x1950pro uses more power, hey if that PSU of your blows and saying it takes nothing else with it, get this one to replace it which should be more than enough: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
March 25, 2008 5:27:50 PM

I think the OP was given ample warning about what he is attempting. If he REALLY only has $50 to spend, he's playing with fire because if he drops his only wad of cash on a GPU that fries his PSU, then what? No system. If it were me, I'd probably take the risk... but I have the resources to buy a whole new system if the need should arise.
March 25, 2008 5:35:21 PM

obviously The 1950 Pro, because you can either overclock it to X1950 XT and/or run 2 1950 Pros in Crossfire mode:) 
a b U Graphics card
March 25, 2008 7:06:50 PM

L1qu1d said:
obviously The 1950 Pro, because you can either overclock it to X1950 XT and/or run 2 1950 Pros in Crossfire mode:) 

You can't OC X1950 pro to X1950XT. Besides lower clocks, It has 36 pixel shader processors vs 48 for the XT.
March 25, 2008 7:20:24 PM

I had the psu in question. I upgraded the psu in order to run an 8800GT. Some do run one with this psu but I chose not to. I would do the same with a X1950Pro also.
8800GT = 110w
X1950Pro = 107w
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/08/21/energy-efficient...

The Dell 305w = 305w continuous, peak ?, 264w on the 12v = 22amps (too close for comfort for me, but people are doing it).


March 25, 2008 8:13:20 PM

joefriday said:
I have a Dell 250 watt psu from 2002. It powers my main rig: Pentium D 805 @ 3.1 Ghz with Radeon 9500 pro GPU.

Yeah, and that GPU is 4 generations out and only comsumes 17W (reference: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354 , thanks lunyone for the easy link, didn't even have to go through my favorites). However, the Smithfield @ 3.1 is pretty impressive since it probably sucks down 130W on it's own.

The X1950Pro is rated for 66W under load, and the X1950XT is at 99-110W. With a questionable Dell 305W, I'm not sure I'd take the risk, unless Channel Well is the OEM for Dell now, or something.

Honestly, I don't think you can do any better than that X1950 you found, but do understand your sizable return comes with an equally sizable risk. You're gambling with computer components, and it's up to you to decide whether or not that return is worth the risk.

Edit: Looks like Lite-On is the OEM for the Dell PSU kpo posted a picture of.
March 25, 2008 8:35:42 PM

lunyone said:
Good luck with it, just don't come back later and wonder what went wrong. I'm just cautious and don't want people to end up with a bad computer experience.

Its a Dell and I have warranty on it so its ok if I blow the computer.
(I'll just switch the graphics out, and the technition won't know that a X1950pro caused the blow) :D 
March 25, 2008 8:39:04 PM

plus that pentium D, were extremly power-hungry CPU's, and were insane once u got them in the 4.4 ghz arena, i dunno maybe if he had like a core 2, then it might not be such a risk...
March 25, 2008 8:47:20 PM

I'm really considering the x1950 pro from eBay.

How risky is it really, buying refurbished from an eBay store? It's going to be powered by a Corsair HX620, so overloading is not an issue for me.

I will only be using it for a few months until I get a 4000 series or whatever Nvidia has by then.

Maybe I can just use integrated graphics and play console games until the new cards arrive, lol. Hey, I could play Starcraft at least... :lol: 
March 25, 2008 8:48:57 PM

I have it on 3.2 and I don't overclock it.
a b U Graphics card
March 25, 2008 9:31:14 PM

I just wonder why eWiz sells their refurbs on ebay instead of though their own site. Can't speak for that X1950 pro, it may be fine. But I stopped buying newegg refurbs a long time ago after getting beat a few times with them.
March 25, 2008 10:03:25 PM

chris312 said:
I'm really considering the x1950 pro from eBay.

How risky is it really, buying refurbished from an eBay store? It's going to be powered by a Corsair HX620, so overloading is not an issue for me.

I will only be using it for a few months until I get a 4000 series or whatever Nvidia has by then.

Maybe I can just use integrated graphics and play console games until the new cards arrive, lol. Hey, I could play Starcraft at least... :lol: 

Sadly they don't have the refurbed X1950pro in there any more.
Weird thing is they had like 40 left. :sweat: 
So im just going to bid and buy one under fifty bucks.
March 25, 2008 10:10:13 PM

Hey guys I have a new idea.
How about a 7950GT?
I can get it for $50 or less also.
Which would be better? (considering psu requirements and such)
March 25, 2008 10:38:36 PM

aznstriker92 said:
Hey guys I have a new idea.
How about a 7950GT?
I can get it for $50 or less also.
Which would be better? (considering psu requirements and such)


The x1950Pro beats the 7950GT in pretty much all benchies however the 7950GT isn't such a power hog.
a b U Graphics card
March 25, 2008 10:53:11 PM

Old games the 7950GT wins. New games the X1950 pro wins. Image Quality and features the X1950 pro wins. personally, I don't like the GF7's anymore as they are lousy in too many new games. I'd say look elsewhere.
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2008 10:07:53 AM

KyleSTL said:
Yeah, and that GPU is 4 generations out and only comsumes 17W (reference: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354 , thanks lunyone for the easy link, didn't even have to go through my favorites). However, the Smithfield @ 3.1 is pretty impressive since it probably sucks down 130W on it's own.

The X1950Pro is rated for 66W under load, and the X1950XT is at 99-110W. With a questionable Dell 305W, I'm not sure I'd take the risk, unless Channel Well is the OEM for Dell now, or something.

YVW KyleSTL on the link. I find the 3 that I have in my signature I tend to use a lot, so I just leave them there.

Quote:
Hey guys I have a new idea.
How about a 7950GT?
I can get it for $50 or less also.
Which would be better? (considering psu requirements and such)

I would just stick with the x1950pro, if I were you. It's only like 5 watts difference between the x1950pro and the 7950gt. I know that some people have had driver issues with the 7950gt, but I'm sure most of those should've already been worked out by now.
March 26, 2008 10:35:55 PM

pauldh said:
Old games the 7950GT wins. New games the X1950 pro wins. Image Quality and features the X1950 pro wins. personally, I don't like the GF7's anymore as they are lousy in too many new games. I'd say look elsewhere.

Really in games such as COD4, CNC3.
March 26, 2008 10:51:27 PM

KyleSTL said:
Yeah, and that GPU is 4 generations out and only comsumes 17W (reference: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354 , thanks lunyone for the easy link, didn't even have to go through my favorites). However, the Smithfield @ 3.1 is pretty impressive since it probably sucks down 130W on it's own.

The X1950Pro is rated for 66W under load, and the X1950XT is at 99-110W. With a questionable Dell 305W, I'm not sure I'd take the risk, unless Channel Well is the OEM for Dell now, or something.

Honestly, I don't think you can do any better than that X1950 you found, but do understand your sizable return comes with an equally sizable risk. You're gambling with computer components, and it's up to you to decide whether or not that return is worth the risk.

Edit: Looks like Lite-On is the OEM for the Dell PSU kpo posted a picture of.

"The X1950Pro is rated for 66W under load, and the X1950XT is at 99-110W"

X1950Pro = 107w
X1950XT = 153w
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/08/21/energy-efficient...

"With a questionable Dell 305W"
When you question something, make sure all your ducks are in a row.
March 26, 2008 11:27:27 PM

kpo6969 said:
"The X1950Pro is rated for 66W under load, and the X1950XT is at 99-110W"

X1950Pro = 107w
X1950XT = 153w
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/08/21/energy-efficient...

"With a questionable Dell 305W"
When you question something, make sure all your ducks are in a row.

Right Now i have no idea who to listen too...
a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2008 12:36:32 AM

aznstriker92 said:
Really in games such as COD4, CNC3.

Not sure on C&C3 off hand as the game is capped at 30 fps max. Oblivion and NFS Carbon were the first signs I saw of things to come. Shader heavy games where the X19xx architecture really shined over the GF79xx architecture. COD4, UT3, Crysis, and NFS Pro Street followed theis trend.


A few links to back up my sour feelings about GF7's now......

Oblivion's GPU demanding outdoor foliage with the GF7's hard, causing lower average and much lower minimum fps. You can see the X1900XT just pull ahead of it's 7900GTX competion. Also note the 7900GT fall way behind the X1800XT. The sure enough the X1950 pro came out and left the 7900GT and even the GTO in it's dust. I had a 7800GT OC and was totally dissapointed in in for Oblivion. Enough so I replaced it with a X1800XT.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_p...
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_pr...

NFS Carbon not only did the X1950 pro crush the 7950GT, it also managed to do the same to the X1800XT(my card at the time) that had so far proven to hold it's own or beat the X1950 pro:
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_c...

COD4 the X1950 pro pulls ahead of the 7900GT by 50%. Often in old games these two were equal, with the 7950GT ahead of both. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/call_of_duty_4_demo...

In UT3, the X1950 pro beats the 7900GTX, never mind the 7950GT or 7900GT.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3128&p=4
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=693

March 27, 2008 2:10:42 AM

Ok thanks guys, I sure that the X1950pro is my choice.
Marelous, what game is that link on?
March 27, 2008 2:50:58 AM

Not 1 game. Multiple of modern games. It is rated at percentage of the 9600gt performance.

If it shows 47 that means it performs 47% of 9600gt performance.

Check out 9600gt raw frame rate scores without the AA. It is only good as 3850. It only surpass 3870 slightly when 4xAA is used. Raw frame rates tell us longevity of a product which 9600gt shouldn't last no better than a 3850.
March 27, 2008 3:19:20 AM

aznstriker92 said:
Right Now i have no idea who to listen too...

All I was saying is you have 22amps.
8800GT bare minimum 22amps
Does the X1950XT need more juice than an 8800?
Good choice for card, just keep an eye on your psu.
a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2008 3:44:01 AM

marvelous211 said:
Raw frame rates tell us longevity of a product which 9600gt shouldn't last no better than a 3850.

Hmm, I question that a bit. Could you explain why you say that. It almsot would seem the opposite is true to me if the statement can even be made at all.

If you look back on the GF7 as an example. They tended to keep up with the equivelent X19's without fsaa. It wasn't until fsaa was enabled that the X19's pulled ahead. So if we had looked at raw framerates a 7900GTX should equal a X1900XTX in longetivity. Yet it's easy to see the gab between such cards grows and X1900XTX is clearly > 7900GTX now.
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