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CPU running very close to 100% on one process 'World Of Warcraft"

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November 1, 2008 8:54:49 AM

Just to give you some filler info, im using a Dell Dimension E521 w/ 3.5gb ram 320gb HD, ATI HD 4850, AMD Athlon 64 3200+, w/Windows XP MC "Computer had Vista on it but whoever I got it from used went back to XP". The problem im having is when I open WOW my cpu usage shoots up to the high 80% to mid 90%. Also it seems that WOW itself is taking all this cpu Its over 600,000k of the memory in the processes and about 87 to 93 in the cpu. I have restored windows re installed the game, flashed bio's and updated drivers and it still is doing this what else should I look into.

please help me this is very noticeable in my in game performance.

Thank you.
Brandon
November 1, 2008 1:57:55 PM

I don't know how much ram WOW is supposed to use, but the cpu usage sounds about right. It's very high because it's being bottlenecked by your video card.
November 1, 2008 2:35:22 PM

Something else is at issue here. Your normal play in WOW should not take 90+ of CPU time and your VC is more than adequate for that game. XP will play WOW just fine and requires less of your CPU than does Vista. Are there perhaps other programs running in the background? Try googleing for the different processes you are running. Take a look at msconfig and turn off anything not needed. Since you have been using both vista and XP do a fresh complete install of which ever one you want. The game might hit 100% in the big battle sequences but only for moments at a time. If you are seeing 100% loading running any program then something is not properly configured. That cpu is a little long in the tooth. Will that mb support a upgraded cpu? Your VC is the least of your problems as it is one of the best one can buy at the moment. What is the scoket type for that cpu? Is this your cpu http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=723 ? This one is an AM2 socket. Or is it a 939 type? Here are the system requirments for WOW - http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/technology.html
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November 1, 2008 4:27:55 PM

I did a fresh xp install last night and this is still happening, the major problem is that the usage spikes and causes the game to chop. Also yes that is my cpu it is an AM2 socket. Also there are not many app's running in the background and wow is what's taking the usage not any other program. Would a new cpu fix this problem?



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November 1, 2008 5:00:03 PM

I'm not seeing a problem here. Sounds like what I would expect with that older CPU.

Also, to take advantage of your video card, you need a faster CPU. Your CPU is slowing down that 4850 video card. Not like that matters in WoW
November 1, 2008 5:03:43 PM

So if I get a better cpu that should help my performance in game?
November 1, 2008 5:09:31 PM

I agree, get up to date on the CPU.
November 1, 2008 5:10:54 PM

Hummm. when the system requirments for WOW shows an xp1500+ as CPU, the a64 3200+ is way faster so I don't think that the CPU is not sufficient.

I woyuld check the swap file size and check the memory if it don't cause any error that would make the CPU playing hard with the swap file.

If you can try it with only 2 gigs of ram, I would do it just to see.
November 1, 2008 5:15:38 PM

What do you mean check swap file size? I have ran a total system scan and all my hardware passed.
November 1, 2008 5:26:19 PM

Since nobody else decided to google it, here's the minimum system specs:

# Intel Pentium® III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz
# 512 MB or more of RAM

and here's the recommended specs:

# Intel Pentium® IV 1.5 GHz or AMD XP 1500+ MHz
# 1024 MB RAM


So his setup is more than enough. Agreed that the processor is limiting the card. Too bad that it's a Dell, but if you feel comfortable swapping the processor, here's a relatively inexpensive solution that will make your video card have a purpose:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It still doesn't explain why your computer is experiencing that bad a slowdown. I personally think you'd be best served taking your video card and RAM and buying parts for a system which would probably cost $300 or so in total. The reason is because if you want to do any substantial upgrades to fix your system, it'll be a complete waste.

I'd make sure to find out what is wrong before upgrading or throwing anything away, though.
November 1, 2008 5:27:21 PM

Kamkal good post +1

From the link.

High CPU Utilization while tabbed out
In-game type the following 2 commands, hitting enter after each one.
/console maxfps 0
/console maxfpsbk 0

.......and nothing wrong with a newer faster cpu.
November 1, 2008 5:28:36 PM

Will my board handle that cpu? I know it's the right socket. But is it too much wattage? Think mine is 65w now.
November 1, 2008 5:29:38 PM

the problem is definitely your cpu. it cannot get information to your video card fast enough so it has a really high % usage. upgrading to an athlon 64 x2 will help a lot. i checked the dell website and your computer should be compatible with an x2.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 1, 2008 5:35:49 PM


before going out and spending any money, i would try a different game, and see if that game runs properly

lets you know if your hardware is working correctly

even running 3dmark06 will give you an idea of whether hardware is working within spec (by comparing your score to similar systems)

if other games work properly, then it's obviously not your hardware and there is something wrong with WOW.

November 1, 2008 5:45:04 PM

I don't really have any other game to run on this computer to compare it to.
November 1, 2008 5:45:43 PM

The CPU I recommended is the 65nm revision.

All you'd need to get is a case (CM Centurion), a 450w PSU, and a mobo, and you'd have an upgradeable computer (with AM2/AM2+ board even) up and running. And you can do it for about $300. Manufactured PCs like Dells are usually not worth the trouble of upgrading. I shudder to think what your motherboard might be, and I'm afraid to go check.
November 1, 2008 5:48:39 PM


download 3dmark06 from http://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/3dmark06/download/

then run that and use the results browser to compare your score to other systems that are similar to yours, if the scores are close then your hardware is fine and there is a bug in the game that wont be fixed by changing the cpu

best bet would be to go to wow forums and check out the threads regarding the new 3.02 patch and how to fix the cpu usage issue
November 1, 2008 5:49:25 PM

Ha, all I know about my mobo is that it has the Nforce 450 chipset on it and I think that dell made the board itself.
November 1, 2008 5:53:29 PM

Usually manufacturers do not make the mobos themselves. More often than not they take a mobo brand they get at volume discount and rebrand it with their own model number, as HP does with crappy ASUS boards.

PS - good advice from kamkal. As badly unbalanced as your system is, it's best to research rather than to jump the gun and try to upgrade. That decision should be separate from this issue.
November 1, 2008 6:03:41 PM

downloading 3dmark06 now
November 1, 2008 6:16:05 PM

I found this interesting review on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103234 cpu I was lookin at.

Very Happy

white Reviewed By: hard2say on 10/27/2008
Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5
Tech Level Tech Level: somewhat high - Ownership: 1 day to 1 week

Pros: I upgraded my old P4 3.2Ghz on an ASUS P5WD2 Premium with this guy. Found it and and ECS 7050M-M at Fr*s for $89.99. I use this PC strictly for World of Warcraft. The game was definately playable on my old rig, but I have to say WoW, was I missing out. With my ASUS HD 3870 512MB, 2GB (2 x 1GB) Corsair 6400 and my new processor & motherboard I am cranking full settings at 1366 x 768 (Vizio 32" HDTV) without a hitch. I don't do much PC gaming with the exception of MMORPGs and this setup really does it for me. Not a single problem thus far.
Cons: None so far.
Other Thoughts: The deal I got on this processor did not include a HSF, so I picked up a Thermaltake and it's running cool and quiet.

This sounds very much like what I use my comp for. Also he says he plays on a Vizio 32" HDTV so do I.
November 1, 2008 6:33:55 PM

I am running 3dmark06 on my desktop right now and wow the cpu test looks like a slide show that mean it's a cpu issue prob causing my problems?
November 1, 2008 6:40:37 PM

Boogdieb said:
I found this interesting review on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103234 cpu I was lookin at.

Very Happy

white Reviewed By: hard2say on 10/27/2008
Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5
Tech Level Tech Level: somewhat high - Ownership: 1 day to 1 week

Pros: I upgraded my old P4 3.2Ghz on an ASUS P5WD2 Premium with this guy. Found it and and ECS 7050M-M at Fr*s for $89.99. I use this PC strictly for World of Warcraft. The game was definately playable on my old rig, but I have to say WoW, was I missing out. With my ASUS HD 3870 512MB, 2GB (2 x 1GB) Corsair 6400 and my new processor & motherboard I am cranking full settings at 1366 x 768 (Vizio 32" HDTV) without a hitch. I don't do much PC gaming with the exception of MMORPGs and this setup really does it for me. Not a single problem thus far.
Cons: None so far.
Other Thoughts: The deal I got on this processor did not include a HSF, so I picked up a Thermaltake and it's running cool and quiet.

This sounds very much like what I use my comp for. Also he says he plays on a Vizio 32" HDTV so do I.


well once you make sure your box is working within spec then yea i would definitely look at gettin a CPU upgrade, you will see a big diff between single and dual core

i would spend a few extra bucks and get this instead, this comes with the heatsink and fan as well
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

it's 3ghz but with 2x1MB cache which means it will run well in those super big raids or whatever where lotta sh!t is goin on at once

your gfx card is more than adequate for your resolution and once you get wow sorted out, would def get a cpu upgrade
November 1, 2008 6:44:57 PM

Do you think my mobo can take that card or is it too much wattage?
November 1, 2008 6:46:12 PM

Boogdieb said:
I am running 3dmark06 on my desktop right now and wow the cpu test looks like a slide show that mean it's a cpu issue prob causing my problems?


naw the CPU test is always a slide show
once it gives you the score, just go to the results browser from the program and check your score against others with similar systems

once you are done doing that, you should go here
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1...
and do a control-F search for "Post 3 Issues: "

and you will something similar to your problem listed there with a potential work around
November 1, 2008 6:48:02 PM

Is there a way I can share the results w/you I don't know much about this stuff lol
November 1, 2008 6:50:56 PM

Boogdieb said:
Do you think my mobo can take that card or is it too much wattage?



it should be able to handle it

you are positive the system has AM2?

do you know exactly which chipset? you can use cpu-z to find this information
November 1, 2008 6:52:16 PM

Boogdieb said:
Is there a way I can share the results w/you I don't know much about this stuff lol



yah what is your score in 3dmark06?
November 1, 2008 6:52:50 PM

i got AM2 slot nforce 430 chipset
November 1, 2008 6:55:39 PM

3DMark Score
4992 3DMarks

SM 2.0 Score
2301

SM 3.0 Score
3380

CPU Score
744

CPU Speed
2003 MHz
November 1, 2008 6:57:48 PM

Boogdieb said:
i got AM2 slot nforce 430 chipset


nvidia nforce 430 can handle the cpu i linked
i have another computer with an ASUS M2N mobo which has the same nvidia 430 and i have a 3ghz cpu in it and works fine

November 1, 2008 7:00:27 PM

Wattage won't be a problem? I have a 700w PSU in the tower. I think the old cpu was like a 65w the 3.0 is 89w I think is it all come down to cooling then?
November 1, 2008 7:00:49 PM

Also what about my 3dmark scores?
November 1, 2008 7:04:28 PM

Are they low? Also will the other cpu be ok it just will need to be kept cool
November 1, 2008 7:07:35 PM

Boogdieb said:
Wattage won't be a problem? I have a 700w PSU in the tower. I think the old cpu was like a 65w the 3.0 is 89w I think is it all come down to cooling then?


yea the cpu comes with its own heatsink and fan made for that cpu

you should be fine, 700 watt is way more than required anyways
my other system only has 450 watt and it runs fine with 3ghz x2 cpu

November 1, 2008 7:12:24 PM


here's one thats almost identical to yours, same cpu and gfx card and scores arent off by much (this guy has probably tweaked something in gfx driver settings to get a few extra 3dmarks)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=8584491

so your system is running as it is supposed to

so in recap, to fix the WOW problem, you have to do some fix that is mentioned in wow forums http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1...

if you want to then drastically increase performance of your system overall, you can get yourself a better CPU such as this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

November 1, 2008 7:19:55 PM

Ok that seened to help i am no longer at 100% when tabbed out now at 32 max but when in game it's still a bit high maybe the new cpu will help that
November 1, 2008 7:29:21 PM

that seems more reasonable, 30% is pretty good, allows you to actually use the comp while wow is running hehehe

gettin a new cpu would help ur rig out a lot, with a new cpu u should be able to play new games such as far cry 2, fallout3, etc with no problem since you already have the 4850 :) 
November 1, 2008 7:30:54 PM

Yea there is still a bit high cpu usage when game is up thought but that may be the old cpu
November 2, 2008 2:45:39 PM

the other links to different WOW forums supposedly has a fix for this.

while in game type /console maxfps 0 + enter then:
/console maxfpsbk 0 + enter

this should fix the problem for the most part.

according to the links, it has to do with single core CPU's and the fact that blizzard added some shaders and such that need a dual core to perform correctly.

I'm no tech or anything, just thought i would add this because a lot of folks never check links and like a lot of kids, they would rather complain about it then fix it.

hope this helps
November 7, 2008 8:08:53 AM

pat said:
Hummm. when the system requirments for WOW shows an xp1500+ as CPU, the a64 3200+ is way faster so I don't think that the CPU is not sufficient.

I woyuld check the swap file size and check the memory if it don't cause any error that would make the CPU playing hard with the swap file.

If you can try it with only 2 gigs of ram, I would do it just to see.

System requirements for WoW cant even play the game properly at 5fps.
CPU is also a huge killer in WoW more then gpu, since they shove all the crap onto the cpu.
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