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November 3, 2008 1:38:48 AM

hello. i have been looking into liquid cooling for awhile cause my oc q6600 needs it.

my case is a midtower if that impacts anything.

im loooking for liquid cooling kits between the 100-200 price range.

any suggestions would be great, thanks
November 3, 2008 3:49:53 AM

If you plan on WCing... ditch the lowend kits. A moderate WC set will cost you more than $200. Go for top end Air Cooling would be better than Lowend WC.
What are your temps??
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a c 86 K Overclocking
November 3, 2008 7:23:26 AM

The one I listed will be better temps than any air, including a TRUE. Of course an good WC kit with room to expand someday is going to be $300++, $400 if a GPU is added.

Learn...............

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word watercool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/

Hope it helps, see ya in a few days, get edumacated!


November 4, 2008 8:56:37 PM

Conumdrum said:
The one I listed will be better temps than any air, including a TRUE. Of course an good WC kit with room to expand someday is going to be $300++, $400 if a GPU is added.

Learn...............

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word watercool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/

Hope it helps, see ya in a few days, get edumacated!


some very good reads. but heres the thing, i have only 150 dollars to spend...and it seems like buying all the parts individually would cost more than that.
so any suggestion for buying individual parts that will preform better than a Thermaltake ProWater 850i Liquid Cooling System. (i know its a kit and they say that kits suck but this will be first liquid cooling system)
a c 86 K Overclocking
November 4, 2008 10:14:25 PM

Nope, stay air. Can't do it under what I suggested. Your choice, your disappointment if you go Thermaltake.

It's not that kits suck, you can buy good pre-selected kits, but they cost more than you wanna spend.

TT is known for sub-par cooling, leaks, pumps dying. TT sucks, Koolance kits aren't much better.

Air till you save your pennies.
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 5, 2008 12:33:19 PM

Conumdrum has great points on the TT kits...in short...they suck. You will be seriously disappointed with the results. If you only have a budget of $150, get a good air cooler and spend the remaining $100 on RAM or another hard drive. $200 is about the minimum price range for a decent intro kit or pieced together components. With watercooling...we really only recommend an all-or-nothing approach...anything less is going to underperform for your expectations.
November 5, 2008 12:57:00 PM

How far are you planning to OC a Q6600 to that you think you need water?

I've gotten it to 3 GHZ on air and the thing never goes above 40c unless I'm running prime95.
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 5, 2008 3:23:43 PM

Once you get to 3.4-3.6 it starts to get rather warm due to the increase in voltage to push it that far. 3.0 can be achieved at the stock voltage in most cases by flipping the FSB from 266 to 333.
November 8, 2008 4:41:55 AM

squatchman said:
How far are you planning to OC a Q6600 to that you think you need water?

I've gotten it to 3 GHZ on air and the thing never goes above 40c unless I'm running prime95.


at least 3. since im leaning towards air cooling, have any suggestions on a good air cooler?

---also right now my cou temp is 37 and i havent played a single game for the past 2 hrs (just surfing the net tehe) also usually under load it gets up to 42, its gotten up to 45 before but that was awhile ago and hasnt happened again
November 8, 2008 4:42:32 AM

Conumdrum said:
Nope, stay air. Can't do it under what I suggested. Your choice, your disappointment if you go Thermaltake.

It's not that kits suck, you can buy good pre-selected kits, but they cost more than you wanna spend.

TT is known for sub-par cooling, leaks, pumps dying. TT sucks, Koolance kits aren't much better.

Air till you save your pennies.


any good recomendations for air cooling?
a c 86 K Overclocking
November 8, 2008 10:45:53 AM

Yea, ever heard of Google?

Type in things like CPU cooler review
Umm CPU heatsink

Or even read the last 30 posts on this board? OMG you'll have your answer already if you just do it yourself.
.....................................................................
/rant off
November 8, 2008 8:16:01 PM

Conumdrum said:
Yea, ever heard of Google?

Type in things like CPU cooler review
Umm CPU heatsink

Or even read the last 30 posts on this board? OMG you'll have your answer already if you just do it yourself.
.....................................................................
/rant off

you dont have to sound like an ******* about it, i need research, whats wrong with asking for more opinions? nothing.
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 10, 2008 12:19:24 PM

wahjahka-

You will have to forgive conumdrum; sometimes he comes off as a little brash, but does have valid points he wishes to give. Many of us have had our own battles with him on his presentation, but what I think he is meaning is this:

1) a person is far more likely to learn if they do the research themselves. On this same note, not all review sites are for everyone (or their point of view), so Googling can help you find the ones you like and don't like.

2) he has valid points on the WC stuff, as do a good handful on Tom's, but we aren't as plentiful as those on XS or OC. Those guys are pretty much die-hards (for the most part) but know their stuff. I personally feel that they have far better stickies than we do over here; but that's expected given the nature of those sites...designated for DIY/OC/junkies. Tom's is more a generalized forum that covers about anything...WC is a very small topic covered here, and usually the same small handfull helps on all those questions. What we do not know, we point elsewhere.

Let's just say that understanding what you don't know is often far better than knowing what you DO know. For instance, I don't know the correct way to volt mod a GPU or motherboard without it going up in blue smoke. But, I do know that I will need to look somewhere else to find very specific details and understanding to do so. Research, research, research...everything.
November 10, 2008 2:53:15 PM

rubix_1011 said:
wahjahka-

You will have to forgive conumdrum; sometimes he comes off as a little brash, but does have valid points he wishes to give. Many of us have had our own battles with him on his presentation, but what I think he is meaning is this:

1) a person is far more likely to learn if they do the research themselves. On this same note, not all review sites are for everyone (or their point of view), so Googling can help you find the ones you like and don't like.

2) he has valid points on the WC stuff, as do a good handful on Tom's, but we aren't as plentiful as those on XS or OC. Those guys are pretty much die-hards (for the most part) but know their stuff. I personally feel that they have far better stickies than we do over here; but that's expected given the nature of those sites...designated for DIY/OC/junkies. Tom's is more a generalized forum that covers about anything...WC is a very small topic covered here, and usually the same small handfull helps on all those questions. What we do not know, we point elsewhere.

Let's just say that understanding what you don't know is often far better than knowing what you DO know. For instance, I don't know the correct way to volt mod a GPU or motherboard without it going up in blue smoke. But, I do know that I will need to look somewhere else to find very specific details and understanding to do so. Research, research, research...everything.


thank you and yea i forgive him haha im doing research and im gonna stick with air for now
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 10, 2008 4:45:32 PM

Hey, no problem. Sometimes you just have to see past how something is said to see exactly what is being said.
a c 86 K Overclocking
November 10, 2008 5:19:22 PM

Rubix_111, how can you say I meant that? Well, I did mean what you said, thanks. :)  Sometimes it's the only way for someone to start a new path.

I told my son a few times when he was young (he's in college now), "Darnit kid, can't you learn anything on your own? It's the only way you'll ever be able to survive in the real world. So nope, I'm not going to tell you the answer".

He's doing great BTW.





a c 324 K Overclocking
November 10, 2008 6:52:48 PM

I've had to tell my son that as well (he's almost 7). Its amazing how kids learn when they figure out they can do it themselves instead of just asking you for the answer. :)  Just by providing a hint in the right direction should usually be enough for them to figure the rest out.

Besides, if you always got all the answers you just asked for, who is to say you would get the answers that were the best for you...and not someone else?
November 11, 2008 2:19:12 AM

rubix_1011 said:
I've had to tell my son that as well (he's almost 7). Its amazing how kids learn when they figure out they can do it themselves instead of just asking you for the answer. :)  Just by providing a hint in the right direction should usually be enough for them to figure the rest out.

Besides, if you always got all the answers you just asked for, who is to say you would get the answers that were the best for you...and not someone else?

well all i have to say is thank you to you (rubix) and conumdrum for saving me $150 hehe on a kit that my friend just bought after i told him what you guys told me and he didnt listen and bought that kit and guess what happened......it LEAKED haha
a c 86 K Overclocking
November 11, 2008 9:39:39 AM

Bummer, haha for you, bad for him. You or him need good WC info, here is my standard WC noob cut n paste.

It's a hobby.... No hurry

Decent WC starts at $250 and up. Cut corners early and you'll spend more in the long run.

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word watercool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/


Best of luck. Ohh leaks even happen on $600 WC loops. But being smart and informed means it won't be you!
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 11, 2008 12:20:44 PM

Hey, good deal. We don't just tell people to stay away from those for no reason, but like conumdrum mentioned, even the most expensive components can leak, so you need to be careful, proactive and knowledgeable first. If you take the time to setup a loop, you know its going to take time to pressure test and leak test it (bare minimum is 4 hours) before you even switch on the rest of your components. Get good fittings and clamps ( I am partial to those worm-gear clamps -like radiator hose clamps-). Plastic and nylon fittings are alright, but always be aware they can crack and become brittle. One of the hardest things to find are good 90 degree fittings, and it always seems you will need a couple, depending on your loop. I found some decent ones at Petra's, but I need to find some 90's that are more of an arc than just a 90 degreen turn. You would think they would be much more flow happy than restrictive that way.

Edit: I actually submitted the question to DangerDen to see what kind of response I get.
November 11, 2008 3:10:41 PM

Conumdrum said:
Bummer, haha for you, bad for him. You or him need good WC info, here is my standard WC noob cut n paste.

It's a hobby.... No hurry

Decent WC starts at $250 and up. Cut corners early and you'll spend more in the long run.

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word watercool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/


Best of luck. Ohh leaks even happen on $600 WC loops. But being smart and informed means it won't be you!

thanks for all the info, i will be reading about water cooling for a few months and come march thats when i will be deciding wether or not to buy one
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 11, 2008 7:14:14 PM

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!! Something like that! Its not a complete 90 deg arc, but dang close enough for what they would be used for.
November 11, 2008 10:47:15 PM

rubix_1011 said:
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!! Something like that! Its not a complete 90 deg arc, but dang close enough for what they would be used for.

:) 
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 12, 2008 4:37:25 PM

I also got a response from DangerDen:

Quote:
I think we may be getting in some 45 degree arcs in the next couple weeks. If you put two together you'll get a larger sweeping 90 degree.


Regards,
Jeremy
Danger Den

November 12, 2008 5:58:04 PM

seems to me like putting two 45's together might actually be more resistance than just a 90. I recently finished my first wc and I'm gonna need some 90's like your talking about when I add my gpu's into the picture. Of course I'm also going to need another radiator lol
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 12, 2008 6:03:41 PM

I just got my dual Swifty MCR320's installed the weekend before last. They do a great job, I just don't like the 90* turns I had to use to run the tubing from one to the other.

That and CPU -> NB kind of makes a tight bend, even for Feser.
a c 86 K Overclocking
November 13, 2008 12:33:23 PM

Yea, had the same issue. Linky of my ugly system, scroll down and hopefully you can see what I made for that.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5866520#post58...

Two pieces of 90, and a short piece of tube soldered together. Without it I had to use zipties to prevent kink and torque on my NB chip, wouldn't boot witout the ties. Ohh It looks a lot better now, old pics.
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 13, 2008 3:28:56 PM

Yeah, I had considered that as well...the copper would need to be painted for my liking though. I actually had to do something similar for my previous side cooler and make a 'U' from copper fittings to join 2 separate cooling feeds on the transmission cooler I used. It looked cool, but internal tubing surface area doesn't nearly equate to the channel surface area of the dual MCR320's I am running now.

I also came across this recently:

http://www.petrastechshop.com/1id3odviviti.html

Looks like they heat formed some tubing so it kept the memory of the bend.

Hardware stores always have cool stuff you can play around with to come up with ideas other than buying 'WC specific' stuff from a PC site.
January 18, 2009 3:08:31 AM

How much you overclock it will sort of dictate what kind of water cooling you need. If you have 2 available 5.25" bays then I would get the BigWater 760i cooling kit. It has everything in a compact design and will cool your CPU and GPU if needed. Keep in mind that since it is compact it won't get your CPU as cool but will do a much better job than air passive cooling. But if you are overclocking a little harder, (in the 750-1000mHz range) I would get a system that has an external radiator and pump. They are usually larger but give the coolant more time to have heat drawn out of it until it returns to the CPU. The best is the Zalman Reserator 1 V2. It has a HUGE external radiator and a large reservoir so you can put a lot of coolant in it.
a c 86 K Overclocking
January 18, 2009 4:13:24 AM

We kinda try and keep people away from any Thermaltake watercooling. It's umm, not worth the money, prone to leakage and breakdowns and a good air cooler is as good at less that half the price.

Zalman is also frowned upon, it's wayyy overpriced for the wattage it can cool. It's pretty, but I can cool more for 1/2 the price.

Good WC stystems are built, not purchased read-made.

Having a large res means little in the WC world. The water will heat to equibrilum and a res doesn't cool anything.
January 18, 2009 6:15:54 AM

mamw, of course WC will cool better than air passive cooling. no one uses air passive cooling. even stock crappy heatsinks have a FAN on them. so what he's saying is true, its just that air passive coolers arent used. who wants to pay 600% more money for 2% better temps?

not me.
January 20, 2009 10:01:17 PM

I meant to say a heat sink and fan, not passive. Sorry. But to conumdrum... I have been using a Big Water 760i for over a year with no problems.
January 20, 2009 10:47:25 PM

try the CoolIT Domino A.L.C. on www.guru3d.com you can see the review. I like the looks of it.
a c 324 K Overclocking
January 21, 2009 12:27:14 PM

Quote:
who wants to pay 600% more money for 2% better temps?

not me.


We do it because we have the means and want to. Its the same reason people modify or restore cars...because they can and like to.

Quote:
I have been using a Big Water 760i for over a year with no problems.


No problems...you are lucky. I know 2 people that used a Bigwater kit and both leaked in 2 different places. 1 with pump failure. No offense, but you won't get very good flow with that pump combined with the performance of the rest of the components...but if it works for you...great.
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