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Is it just me, or does it seem like the performance gain in SLI sucks. For the 8800GT and my 7900 GS, both of them have minimal performance increases according to the hardware chart. Why would someone buy another card, and have to potentially pay more for cooling, and a much larger power supply, when you can just get a faster card, and sell your old one (ususally). I guess what I'm asking is: Is it worth it for a budget gamer like me to pay extra (or wait for AM2+ SLI Boards in my case) for the SLI? I will never have the finest or most expensive card on the market, and for price/performance it just seems better to get a whole new card. Do you think this is the case? Thanks.

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If you play at high resolutions, it can be a good idea. If you don't though, the performance gains won't be as "great" when compared to a single card.

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Reply to basketcase

^Agreed. SLI is scaled as resolution increases and also how well the game supports SLI.


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How do you define "high resolutions"?

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Reply to B-Unit

I would say 1650x1000 and up is high resolution. That is just a generalization, though. You will still see improvements when adding a card at lower resolutions, just not as much. And like Shadow said, it depends on how well the game you play supports SLI. There are many other factors, as well, such as CPU speed. But, basically, lets say you have a single 8800 GT and game at 1440x960 resolution. If you added a second 8800GT, the gains will not be as good as if you played at something higher, like above 16x10.

What card do you currently have OP and what resolutions do you play at.

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11280x11204!

Reply to rickzor

^ :lol: I would say high res is 1400*1200 or higher with most of the eye candy (ie. 4x AA,etc)

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doomsdaydave11 wrote :

Is it just me, or does it seem like the performance gain in SLI sucks. For the 8800GT and my 7900 GS, both of them have minimal performance increases according to the hardware chart. Why would someone buy another card, and have to potentially pay more for cooling, and a much larger power supply, when you can just get a faster card, and sell your old one (ususally). I guess what I'm asking is: Is it worth it for a budget gamer like me to pay extra (or wait for AM2+ SLI Boards in my case) for the SLI? I will never have the finest or most expensive card on the market, and for price/performance it just seems better to get a whole new card. Do you think this is the case? Thanks.



I see you have a 19" wide screen and if that's the screen you will be using then there is 100% no point in running SLI much better to get a better single slot card. I also see you have a 3500+ Athlon listed which is a single core isn't it ?
If this is the case then the max performance of the better cards FPS wise may become limited by the CPU. I'm not saying it definitely will just wanted you to be aware that it may be an issue, all it means is your system will be running as fast as it can with the currant CPU. But it will mean you have plenty of power to run AF/AA.
A HD3850 512mb will run your screen fine as will a 8800GT 512 with the latter having more spare power for post processing. :)
Mactronix

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Well, I'm doing some digging for when I get my new rig. Fortunately for me I will be able to sell my old rig at a decent price (A friend wants to buy it), and I am able to get almost all new hardware, with the exception of input devices, CD/DVD-RAM Drive, and headphones. I'm just want to know if there is a point to waiting for a SLI AM2+ that will eventually come out. I will be getting a 22" widescreen though, so I will want to run all my games at 1680x1050 (Though I will be happy with 1440x900). I heard that the 8800GTS shows its extra juice at higher resolutions, and that's why I'm not going with the 8800GT. I really don't have the power supply to go SLI, but I'm just checking it out (I have a VX550W). I am not planning on using my current rig with a new card, as there is obviously some serious bottlenecking. I will be upgrading to a AMD 6400+ and 4GB of RAM.

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doomsdaydave11 wrote :

Well, I'm doing some digging for when I get my new rig. Fortunately for me I will be able to sell my old rig at a decent price (A friend wants to buy it), and I am able to get almost all new hardware, with the exception of input devices, CD/DVD-RAM Drive, and headphones. I'm just want to know if there is a point to waiting for a SLI AM2+ that will eventually come out. I will be getting a 22" widescreen though, so I will want to run all my games at 1680x1050 (Though I will be happy with 1440x900). I heard that the 8800GTS shows its extra juice at higher resolutions, and that's why I'm not going with the 8800GT. I really don't have the power supply to go SLI, but I'm just checking it out (I have a VX550W). I am not planning on using my current rig with a new card, as there is obviously some serious bottlenecking. I will be upgrading to a AMD 6400+ and 4GB of RAM.


[:mousemonkey:2] To Sli or to not Sli?, the eternal question. Only you can decide whether or not Sli is for you, if you wish to believe that Sli is only the preserve of the GTS,GTX and Ultra's at resolutions of 2560 x 1600 and above then why should anyone try to change that belief? On the other hand if you are prepared to shell out the extra cash for the mobo, second card and 600+ watt PSU and if you have taken into account that not all games support dual cards, then take the plunge and enjoy games like Timeshift and COD4 both of which luurve dual 8800GT's @ 1680x1050 :p

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doomsdaydave11 wrote :

Is it just me, or does it seem like the performance gain in SLI sucks. For the 8800GT and my 7900 GS, both of them have minimal performance increases according to the hardware chart.


You are looking at the wrong charts. Take a look at the merged screenie below. In the GPU crushing second half of Crysis, would you rather be at 16 fps with one 8800GT, or 29fps with SLI 8800GT? That's over 80% gains at 1680x1050 2xaa/16xaf all high details in Win XP 32-bit. Oblivion I have seen higher still with near 100% scaling in the dense foliage.

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SLI makes sense to me only if the power of the best current single card is lacking in the games you play. My definition of a budget gamer is well below that threshold.

Reply to geofelt

OR....you can grab the 9800GX2 and have SLI on a stick, the best of both worlds = )

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geofelt wrote :

SLI makes sense to me only if the power of the best current single card is lacking in the games you play. My definition of a budget gamer is well below that threshold.



Couldnt agree more.
@ doomsdaydave11,
The main thing is to rember that when they do tests like the one pauldh linked to they run most of the settings on high. I have no doubt that you can get 29 FPS in Crysis with a single 8800GT, you just neeed to compromise a bit with where you put the detail sliders. For the set up you are proposing the 8800GTS 512mb (G92) will be a good ballance and you have already indicated that you realise there will be times when you will have to compromise a bit.
In all the 8800GTS will give you a great gaming experiance and i personally see no reason to wait. As a budget gamer i really dont see the return in performance being worth the additional expence. :)
Mactronix

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geofelt wrote :

SLI makes sense to me only if the power of the best current single card is lacking in the games you play. My definition of a budget gamer is well below that threshold.


yes, and I totally have the same view as you. A single 8800GTS 512MB is even way beyond my definition of budget gamer, so never would I see SLI in (what I call) a budget rig. SLI 9600GT or possibly SLI 8800GS would be the least I'd ever consider and that is stil close to $250+ just for video. A $110 8800GS is a killer budget card IMO.

Reply to pauldh

geo, max, and paul are all correct!

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