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November 11, 2008 3:43:31 AM

Hello I've just got Vista x64 Ultimate installed and I wanted to give 3DMarks a go. Please keep in mind that I've already installed the hotfix for 3DMarks.

When I ran the test, I was very disapointed to find that I've only reached the score of 8142. I've looked at other benchmarks that had similar scores as I do as well as specs and even an E8400 @ stock speeds had beat my scores with a 512MB 4870.

Here are my specs:
- 4GB of OCZ Reaper Ram
- 1x Diamond ATI Radeon 4870 1gb
- E8400 (E0 stepping) @ 4 ghz
- 2 HDDs with a combined capacity of 1.1 TB
- Corsair HX1000 1000w modular PSU
- Asus P5Q Motherboard with latest bios version


I've updated all my drivers and I can't see where my hardware specs went wrong. Can someone advise me on how I can improve my rating?
November 12, 2008 12:07:46 AM

My score is low too (7809) with the exact same specs. except a q6600 @ 3.4g. maybe to much in the background and running Aero. cpu-11765 and gpu-7022 Any advise?
November 12, 2008 12:32:11 AM

I'm guessing that could've made the huge hit on the performance but for my type of system (with the same processor) the score was 82XX minimum. The highest seen on 3DMark Vantage was around 15k

He had 4GB ram , ATI 4870 1GB, E8500 @ 4.2ghz, Vista x64

So theoretically my score should be around the same as him. He just clocked his processor higher than mine by 200 mhz. It can't be that big of a difference!
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November 12, 2008 9:36:14 AM

Guys, i have a 4870 and at stock with a Pentium 5200 (2.5Ghz) I get 8200 marks in 3Dmark06 (XP 32). WHen I OC the cpu at 3,8Ghz (stock ati) I get 14,5K marks. Maybe it's a vistax64 thing??
November 12, 2008 6:26:52 PM

well I did a test on XP 32bit and I got around 14.5k points as well and wow.. with E5200 you can get that kind of score?! @.@

but then again, I had a E8500 with 3.8ghz Oced Processor at that time... I have E8400 now @ 4 ghz so maybe.... I should be getting around near 15k points on XP by now but uhh... still no idea why my system would be performing so poorly.

I still have XP32bit installed so I guess I can go home and run a test tonight or something.
November 12, 2008 6:31:51 PM

I also have a similar experience. My other build (E2180 @ 3.0 and a 8800GT) got around 10/11k. Then i got this build with a Q9550 and 9800GX2 and i thought ok now i should hit 17k like other ppl with a similar build. I ran the test and i was saddened to see like 13/14k and im still trying to figure out my problem
November 19, 2008 1:14:36 AM

Same experience...
Big disappointment!!!

Got only around 9000
November 19, 2008 3:07:17 AM

Has anyone reached a solution for this problem? Or is this supposed to be fine for a 64bit system?
November 19, 2008 11:46:53 AM

64bit systems are harder to code, so that might coincide with it in terms of drivers and what not.
November 21, 2008 5:11:08 PM

I cant get Vantage to work at all. Fresh Vista64 bit install, and fresh Vantage install, twice. Each time it tells me that a file its trying to install isn't the same as in the .cab file, so I ignore it, and it finishes the install. When I try to run the benchmark, it gives me the finger, and tells me it can't find some image files or something like that. I'm lost.
November 25, 2008 3:19:25 AM

ouch im sitting at 12,727 with a E6320, 2x8800gt in SLI
November 25, 2008 3:59:14 AM

x_2fast4u_x said:
ouch im sitting at 12,727 with a E6320, 2x8800gt in SLI


wow... this is on vista 64bit as well?!
a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2008 10:02:55 AM

hi with my hd4870 in vantage gfx score is 9000, but with 3dmark 06 i get a score of 16k, and a sm3 score of 12k. thats with a e8400 at 4.6ghz and vista 64bit.
a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2008 10:09:14 AM

sorry i got my no's mixed up i get 8400sm3 points in 3dmark06 which is better than the gtx280sli on toms charts :D , cpu scaleing is better for 3dmark than more gpu's
November 25, 2008 10:11:04 AM

I got 3Dmark06 to work in Vista64(it wasn't easy, but if you search google, you can find solution). I have an E8600 running without overclocking, and 8mb of ram. I also have dual 4850's running at 700 on GPU's and 993mhz on memory.
I got 16719. With turbo turned on in the ASUS AI suite, I got 17438. Interestingly, I got the same scores in Win XP 32(I run dual boot).

But, I still can't get Vantage to work.
November 25, 2008 5:54:26 PM

It's a bit different. Vantage uses DX10 while 3DMark06 uses DX9 only. Performance wise DX9 will be faster.... On the other hand, it'll be weird why Vantage wouldn't work for you because Vantage was scripted with Vista and DX10 in mind =/
November 25, 2008 8:16:29 PM

I got basically the same numbers in Vista64 and XP32 with 3dmark06.
Vantage just gives me the finger. When I install, it says some file isn't the same as what is in the .cab file, so I ignore it, and it installs. When it tries to run, it says some sort of images are missing....go figure.

I've downloaded it from two different places, and uninstalled and re-installed, twice, do worky.
a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2008 9:15:08 PM

Since everyone is listing off their 3dmark06 scores I feel obligated to do so as well. I have a 3dmark06 score of 11,320. Thats with a e2180 oc to 3ghz, 2gb of ram, an a 320mb 8800gts.
November 26, 2008 12:47:24 AM

iflyems said:
I got basically the same numbers in Vista64 and XP32 with 3dmark06.
Vantage just gives me the finger. When I install, it says some file isn't the same as what is in the .cab file, so I ignore it, and it installs. When it tries to run, it says some sort of images are missing....go figure.

I've downloaded it from two different places, and uninstalled and re-installed, twice, do worky.


hmm.. have you tried contacting FurtureMarkCorp about this problem? They might have some solutions to your problem.

@assasin32: that's pretty amazing benchmarks because I just did a test on 3DMark06 (XP32 bit) and I got



So in this case, I'm actually disapointed that my computer seems to be under performing so much.

My specs:
Asus P5Q
E8400 @ 3.84 ghz (Had to downclock.. I was getting some weird BSOD not yet solved, maybe bump back to 4 ghz later)

4870 1gb @ stock speeds
4 gb (4x 1gb OCZ Reaper DDR2 1200mhz)

So yes.. it did improve from my 8800gt... but I was expecting something more drastic instead of just 13700 pts, something like mid 14k or so would've looked a lot nicer. With 8800gt (512mb) I got 12.5k points.
November 26, 2008 1:39:44 PM

I finally got Vantage to work. I'm just running it in demo mode, but here are my results

My system;
MB: Asus Rampage Formula
CPU: Intel E8600
RAM: 8Gb G.skill running at 1002Mhz
GPU: 2 X ATI 4850 with 1Gb ram each
Air cooled, no overclock, except video cards are factory overclocked at 700Mhz/993Mhz(memory)
Vista 64

Can't get the image to post from photobucket....am I missing something?? Tried several different ways.

Here's the scores;
P10412
CPU 6711
Graphics 12757

Here's the XP32 results. This was the full test on 3dmark06.


3Dmark06- 16,774
SM2.0- 7576
SM3.0- 8915
CPU- 3264
a b K Overclocking
November 26, 2008 11:35:08 PM

Yeah I OC the e2180 to 3ghz, than I OC the 320mb 8800gts to as far as I could before it became unstable and backed off a little bit. Which was 660 core clock, 1640 shaders, and 999 memory, stock its 500/1200/800. Than I finally got around to tightening the timing on my 2x1gb ddr2 800 sticks of ram, they were orginally 5-5-5-15 2t timing, I got it down to 4-4-4-12 1t timing.

Just incase anyone else was wondering what I did, that and so I have this saved online in a forum I can find latter at what my stable OC settings are in case I somehow forget it and change my computer settings lol.
November 27, 2008 2:10:48 AM

@assasin32:
ah ic... so you tighted everything as much as possible... that's why...

@iflyems : That's stunning results considering you only OCed it to 3.5 ghz. The 2x 4850 really paid off... my 4870 with E8400 @ 3.8 ghz only got it to 13.7k... that extra 3k is really something! I'm tempted to bump my memory up to 8 gb though lol.. maybe when ram prices drop further ><

I do notice a pattern here and that is whatever you get on XP - 5/6k points and you get your Vista 64bit score... maybe this has to do with 64bit... can someone with 32bit vista post results as well for us to compare? XP 32bit vs Vista 32bit?
November 27, 2008 10:35:30 AM

I'd sure like to overclock it higher, but I'm having trouble in the BIOS(ASUS Rampage Formula) figuring out which way to go.

I set the ASUS software to "turbo", and that's where it ends up-3.5Ghz, max.
Also, the 8Gb memory only helps me in Vista64.

What I do know is that I can play Crysis, in Vista64, at 1600X1200, no AA or A/F, and everything else set on high, and the lowest FRAPS frame rate I get is 40.....
a b K Overclocking
November 27, 2008 12:29:29 PM

Quote:
I'd sure like to overclock it higher, but I'm having trouble in the BIOS(ASUS Rampage Formula) figuring out which way to go.

I set the ASUS software to "turbo", and that's where it ends up-3.5Ghz, max.
Also, the 8Gb memory only helps me in Vista64.

What I do know is that I can play Crysis, in Vista64, at 1600X1200, no AA or A/F, and everything else set on high, and the lowest FRAPS frame rate I get is 40.....


the fastest u can get an e8600 to is 3.5ghz? keep trying ive got my e8400 at 4.6ghz.
November 27, 2008 12:39:32 PM

Therein lies the problem. I can get it too 3.5Ghz with the Turbo mode, in the ASUS AI suite. But, when I try to do it in the BIOS, It won't boot, or it locks up after awhile. I did set the FSB to 400(stock is 333), and it booted at 4Ghz, but didn't last, because it rebooted itself, and I set it back to stock. The multiplier on the E8600 is already at 10, and somewhere I read that the max the CPU can go up to is 3.8Ghz, which I think is BS.

I don't want to post my question in the Overclocking sections because I'll get immediately smacked with a "read the sticky", or some other "sticky" reference.

Like most of you, I have ADD, and really don't want to spend hours reading through pages of crap to find out how to overclock my CPU in my BIOS. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't have built a fast computer. What I need, is someone with an ASUS Rampage Formula, and an E8600 chip, to tell me what settings they used, and how fast/stable they got there CPU.
a b K Overclocking
November 27, 2008 2:57:07 PM

okay set vcore to 1.35 fsb to 400 multi to 10, and see if its stable also set ram to 2.1 and make sure its running at 800mhz try these setting it should be able to be stable with 1.35vcore.
November 27, 2008 3:51:25 PM

I don't have a V-core setting anywhere I can find in the BIOS. I do have cpu voltage, so I set that at 1.35, FSB at 400, DRAM voltage 2.1, but I set the DRAM speed at where it should be, which is DDR2 1003mhz.

Also, after I did that, I rebooted, and the NB was getting a bit hot(58C at idle), so I went back in and set the NB voltage to 1.37, and now its running at 50C at idle.

I'm going to run a cpu benchmark in Vantage and see what the changes are.
November 28, 2008 9:13:07 PM

Well I've always left NB voltage to auto.. I'm not sure how much I should set mine to or how to go about finding the right voltage. I don't want to burn my NB so any advice on this part would be appreciated.
November 28, 2008 9:23:38 PM

Mine was running at 1.64 in auto, which I thought was too high. So, I set it at 1.37 and so far its stable. The general advice from people is to run it low, you can't hurt it that way. If its too low, you won't be able to boot into the OS, or you'll have crashes.

My NB temp still is around 50C on an X48 motherboard, and it can spike up to around 65C or higher, but it doesn't seem to affect anything. Interestingly, when I'm playing Crysis, my SB goes hot, around 65C or higher, and there isn't a voltage control for that. I guess I just have to live with high bridge temps on the X48. I've taken off the heat sinks and re-did the thermal paste goo with Artic silver 5, and only dropped the temps about 2deg C, but it still dropped them a bit.
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BTW, in another post that I started, I stated that I had overclocked my ASUS Rampage Formula and E8600 chip to a stable 4.00Ghz.
Here's the thread I started, and what setting I changed, hope it helps;
I've decided to start this thread so that I, and others that have the ASUS rampage formula, and its varients, can get some help/tips to overclock using the BIOS.

My current systems
is;
MB; ASUS Rampage Formula(you probably already knew this)
CPU: Intel E8600 step E0
RAM: G.skill DDR2 1002mhz-8gb total
OS; Vista 64 with XP32 in dual boot
HD; Yea, I got some hard drives
Video: 2X ATI 4850
BIOS version: 0601

Alright, now I've tried the ASUS AI utility, and the most I was able to get out of that in turbo mode was around 3.5Ghz....that won't cut it for me.

So, I went into the BIOS, and with some help from somebody here, I was able to get to 4Ghz, stable(so far).

Here are my settings in the BIOS;
AI OC tuner Manual
CPU ratio Auto
FSB Strap to NB Auto
FSB Frequency 400(you have to type in the number 400)
Pcie Frequency 100(do this so the OC doesn't up the frequency. This might fry your video cards)
DRAM Frequency DDR2-1003(this is what my memory is rated at)
CPU Voltage 1.35
NB Voltage 1.37(I lowered my NB voltage because it was running hot, and before this, the voltage was 1.65. Now, the NB runs cooler-50C at idle)
DRAM Voltage 2.10(this is what my memory requires to run. It actually requires 2.03 volts, but I upped it just for the hell of it)

My temps on tests so far are;
CPU 38(idle) 54(max load on test)
MB 40(idle) 40(max)
NB 50(idle) 51(max) I have seen as high as 54C during some tests

And here's the pictures;
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I want others who have similar set ups, to post how they did it. What settings they used, and temps, if possible.
I've read where there was a guy that got an E8600 up to 5Ghz on air cooling. I tried to get to 4.5Ghz just changing the FSB to 450, and raising the CPU voltage to 1.39, but it wouldn't work.

So, what settings can I use to get to 4.5ghz, or even 5Ghz???

And please don't refer me to the "sticky". I have ADD(that's attention deficit disorder) like most of you, and I don't have the patience to read through 16 pages to figure this out. I also don't have the patience to change one or two things in the BIOS, and keep rebooting. That just drives me nuts. So, I'm looking for the easy way. For someone that has already tried the 100's of different combinations, and found the one(s) that work.
November 28, 2008 10:42:06 PM

Thanks for the tip on NB voltages.. I'll try to lower mine too and see what happens.

One thing I find is that the AI utility has a limitation to how it OCs because it just raises FSB via software without making any increments to the voltage. This causes problems as you climb in FSB your chip won't get enough juice to power it and thus it falls short. It should be only used for those who want to lightly OC their CPU.

I've got an ASUS P5Q mobo which also has the AI suite and the same thing happened. For enthusiasts who want more than just 10-15% OC you're going to have to get down to the nitty gritty to OC at bios level. Unfortunately there's so many options that I become inferior by all the tweaks I can do.

on CPU voltage I'm running at 1.26v to get it to 3.84 ghz and if i need to push for 4 I'm at about 1.29v. I'm using E8400 E0 stepping.

Now back to your settings.. I think that's pretty much reaching the limit for your cooler at least. If you continue to push you're going to push past 65 really quick. I don't know if you like keeping your CPU in the 60s range but that's a bit hot for my liking. If you want to shoot for it all you have to do is keep pumping on FSB until you start getting BSOD or crashes. That's as far as you can really go (without significantly reducing the CPU's life span according to intel). If you want to go even higher I'm willing to make a bet that you'll need either a really good HSF or some sort for liquid cooling.

So lets see.... you've got a 10x multiplier so to get 4.5ghz you'll need 450 mhz FSB. Try pushing slowly to reach that speed to see if you run into an FSB wall. If you're shooting for 5ghz then it'll be 500 mhz fsb that you'll be running at.

Good luck and post back results :) 
November 28, 2008 10:53:31 PM

My CPU has never been past about 54C......I've got a great cooler.
a b K Overclocking
November 29, 2008 2:57:25 PM

my cpu has never been above -20C :p  how about that for bragging :p .
November 29, 2008 3:01:42 PM

Well my CPU cooler doesn't use 241 watts!!
You must be using a TEC cooler, LNG, or phase change. My money is on TEC. LNG is just too messy....and cold.

So, what cooler do you have?
a b K Overclocking
November 29, 2008 10:00:14 PM

i have a vapo ls. the evap temp is at -55 at idle and -35 load which is about -20 for the cpu.
November 29, 2008 11:44:27 PM

vapo ls? sorry.. can you explain the terms a little =S
a b K Overclocking
November 30, 2008 6:45:38 AM

I was about to say that thing is way overkill and a waste of money, but than I remembered the rediculous prices of Intel EE processors and the prices of top end gear and realized that this can't even compete with them, and in comparison seems almost seems resonably priced.

Though I have to say this one thing, if I owned one of these im not sure if I would use it for it's intended purpose, because it sounds like a good device to quickly chill my beverages. And if my processor starts to overheat well im going to make a custom alluminum heatsink so I can fry up a omlette. :D 
a b K Overclocking
November 30, 2008 8:48:53 AM

i bought my vapochill for less than the price of my cpu so to me it was a bargain.
a b K Overclocking
November 30, 2008 9:24:56 AM

Seeing as your running an e8400 im assuming it was under $200 so it must have been a good deal, how did you manage that?
a b K Overclocking
November 30, 2008 1:18:46 PM

ebay £100 without delivery and i also got a spare chill controll card and and spare clamshell. i thought it was a bargain it was only listed for 2 hours lol.
November 30, 2008 2:35:39 PM

damn!! That was a bargain! O well.. my case is filled with parts so I couldn't have fit that thing inside anyways =(
November 30, 2008 2:39:41 PM

It doesn't fit inside, it mounts to the bottom of the case, with just the freezer arm going into the case.

I have a ton of question about the Vapochill. It seems like they are "unobtanium" at the moment from any retailer.
What I want to know is; are they worth it?? How fast could I run my E8600 on phase change Vs. water cooling??

Does the software work in Vista 64??
a b K Overclocking
November 30, 2008 4:46:16 PM

yes the software works in vistax64, you cant buy them new in england anymore you have to go to www.frozencpu.com and order them from usa and pay about £80-100 in shipping. a good idea is just to keep looking in ebay. as for ure e8600 if everything else is good then you can easilly look towards 5-5.5ghz with it. i spent over £300 on water cooling and it sucked :p , so i went to phase change and its alot better, okay it is a pain now my comp weighs a ton :p .
December 1, 2008 10:53:35 AM

I get 16883

my system

Asus Rampage formula x48
E8400 @ 4GHz
GTX260 OC2 Maxcore edition
4GB Geil RAM 5-5-5-15 2T
Windows XP SP3
Tuniq Tower
December 1, 2008 3:02:08 PM

I got some new 3dmark06 scores;
19,228
8548
10520
3671

This was running in Vista 64.
Oh, and I've overclocked my E8600 to 4.1Ghz, and its stable ;) 
December 1, 2008 3:49:22 PM

wow some of those 3dmarks are weak.....LOL mine is 17,499
8142 sm2.0
8533 sm3.0
3666 cpu
thats E8500@3.9ghz
gtx260@700mhz core/2400mhz memory OC
windows xp sp3
ddr2@822 5-4-4-12 2t 1:1
FSB 1644mhz
@1700mhz/4ghz I scored 17,800 but was not stable so i backed it down here is the rest of my info
December 1, 2008 3:58:41 PM

here is my latest cpuz 100% stable 5 runs of intel stress test 100%@63c max with 4 heatpipe 92mm cooler
December 1, 2008 4:06:43 PM

as far as voltages I have vcore on auto which runs at 1.3v and manual memory @ 2.1 which is what my memory is rated at using xmp profile which sets my lat @ 5-4-4-12 and it 100% stable, I'm using Gskill DDR 1000@822 1:1 FSB 1644
December 1, 2008 4:34:35 PM



Here's what I have ^

Core voltage is 1.32, which is interesting, because I set it at 1.35 in my BIOS.

I used 410X10. If I try 415, or higher X10 it just give me the finger. Might play with the voltage today if I get really bored. Idle temps around 36C, max is 54C with the Xigmatek cooler.
Switching to H2O soon, so I'll see if I can't just melt the whole thing down.
December 3, 2008 5:29:01 AM

yeah I find that mobo voltage is always higher than what is reported in windows. But I see it as, it uses the amount it requires only. The reason you set it higher is during the state which the CPU is fully utilized, it will jump in voltage usage. So while it's idling or performing simple tasks it may only require 1.26v, but while on max load it can use up to 1.275. In this case, you need to set it to 1.28v to keep it within bounds.

From experimentation, it seems that the voltage you set is the termination voltage. It puts a stop right there so if it hits exactly 1.275 and say that was your limit, then it will BSOD.
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