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Intel E8200 will not post but Smithfield will post on the same board

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April 17, 2008 9:12:40 PM

MB= MSI P6N SLI
High quality power supply.

The board and the replaced cpu work. I decided to upgrade the psu and bought the Intel E8200. Power comes on but the board does not post. I have looked on the MSI site and do not feel their advice is appropriate because the board works with the older chip.

I have upgraded the bios to the version that is supposed to work with the E8200. I do not know what to do. Any advice would be appreciated.

Robin

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April 17, 2008 9:16:43 PM

..well, what PSU are you using? Also, check if you have ALL cables plugged in when you attempt to POST. Make sure you have the EXACT bios you need.

Pretty much try to double check everything.

P.S. Do you get any beeps? If so, check your manual for the meaning.
April 17, 2008 9:23:25 PM

The does the PSU have a 4 or 8 pin power connector for the processor power plug? if it's only a 4 pin, you may need a new power supply.
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April 17, 2008 9:36:32 PM

monst0r said:
..well, what PSU are you using? Also, check if you have ALL cables plugged in when you attempt to POST. Make sure you have the EXACT bios you need.

Pretty much try to double check everything.

P.S. Do you get any beeps? If so, check your manual for the meaning.

The psu is an Enermax 535watts.

I am sure that I have the correct bios because I have been to the MSI site and they seem to recommend version 25 which is what is not in the machine.

I think all the cables are correct because the only thing I have changed in the cpu. I am currently using the same computer with the Smithfield and it works.

Robin
April 17, 2008 10:06:13 PM

Nobody asked what the old CPU was?

The e8200 has an FSB of 1333 which will require 667mhz DDR2 to boot. Have you got 667mhz RAM or higher? Cause if you dont its not gunna work... the reason the old CPU will work is if its a 1066 or even 800 FSB the DDR2 533 or 400 will post fine.
April 18, 2008 10:59:00 PM

Ninjawithagun said:
R53843, I have seen this before. Do the following:

1)
2) The following situation occurred when I built a friend's computer two weeks ago. I had changed out the CPU (from C2D Conroe to a C2D Wolfdale). As a result of the CPU change, the VMI pool image was reset and the motherboard was not able to POST. One of the side affects of the VMI pool reset was that the memory voltage settings had been set back to default (1.85V). The memory installed on the motherboard was Patriot high performance memory that required the use of 2.2V. The system would not POST because the voltage had been set back to 1.85V.
Ninja


I have checked my memory on the Corsair site and they advise:

Quote:
Each module is tested in an Intel-based motherboard at
800MHz
Tested at the low latencies of (5-5-5-18) at 1.9V
SPD programmed at 5-5-5-18 values


So it seems to me that the cause is not the voltage.


April 18, 2008 11:03:06 PM

chookman said:
Nobody asked what the old CPU was?

The e8200 has an FSB of 1333 which will require 667mhz DDR2 to boot. Have you got 667mhz RAM or higher? Cause if you dont its not gunna work... the reason the old CPU will work is if its a 1066 or even 800 FSB the DDR2 533 or 400 will post fine.


The LGA775 Smithfield is the Pentium 4 805 dual core.
The memory is ddr2 800mz



April 18, 2008 11:06:58 PM

I put the e8200 back in last night and it caused the hd to crash. It had to be sorted by fdisk in ubuntu, so I am wary about putting it again before we have uncovered the reason for the failed posting. What are other things could be causing this?

Robin
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April 18, 2008 11:15:50 PM

^You probably need to set voltages,etc manually.
April 19, 2008 12:45:51 AM

R53843 said:

I am sure that I have the correct bios because I have been to the MSI site and they seem to recommend version 25 which is what is not in the machine....

Perhaps you miswrote this? Is version 2.5 the version *in* your machine, or *not in* the machine?

April 19, 2008 12:48:46 AM

R53843 said:
...I have looked on the MSI site and do not feel their advice is appropriate because the board works with the older chip....

What exactly is their advice that you do not feel is appropriate?

April 19, 2008 8:24:49 AM

Version 2.5 of the bios is installed. I mistyped the statement above.

April 19, 2008 8:40:07 AM

I am trying to draft a full reply to the question above about what part of their advice does not seem appropriate. Everytime I click on postreply there is a message this thread does not exist. I thought I had logged into this forum, but may be I misunderstood. Why does the error message result?

Robin
April 19, 2008 3:41:53 PM

MSI's advice on post problems are as follows. I have commented on them below but I wonder if in fact some are relevant to me. Your comments would be appreciated. Which ones should I concentrate on?

" • Power supply issue"
Power supply sufficient
" • BIOS problems"
I am using the latest
" • Non supported components"
E8200 supported
" • Diagnostic codes"
I am having some bleeps when the machine is started but not with the E8200 in the machine.
" • Jumper settings"
Jumper settings for FSB do not apply to the Intel boards
CMOS jumber is set correctly otherwise the current smithfield would not work.



" • Shorting issues"
The board works with the sithfield
" • Component related issues"
I have not checked this because the components are working with the smithfield.

No Boot (system does post)
" • Hard drives not detected"
They are detected with the smithfield
" • Hard drives are detected at boot"
Ditto and the the Hard Disk drive stays on all the time with the e8200
" • SATA configuration"
My current set up works with the smithfield
" • RAID controller configuration"
Ditto and my raid card is not the boot disk

http://www.msicomputer.com/support/sup_tshoot.asp#1_1

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April 19, 2008 4:30:58 PM

^To support FSB 1333 you need to manually set the FSB.

So try this:
Go to BIOS (using old P4) ans set Multiplier to 8.
Set FSB to 266. Save and shutdown (turn it off manually once the PC try to re boot.
Put the E8200 in and boot ans see.
April 19, 2008 9:18:59 PM

R53843 said:
...
" • Diagnostic codes"
I am having some bleeps when the machine is started but not with the E8200 in the machine. .

I would certainly look into this; remember, the machine also does not work right with the E8200 in the machine. Google for "BIOS beep code" or similar.

Just so you don't feel you're all alone in this, I know others with 650i chipset boards are also having mysterious problems with the new 45nm CPUs. Intel *did* make some changes to its 45nm CPU electrical specs after the 650i/680i chipsets came out, so I would prepare yourself for the possibility that it will never work on your MB. When you are researching your next MB purchase, keep in mind that the chipset will play the biggest role in performance, stability, and compatibility with future CPUs.
April 20, 2008 4:15:49 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^To support FSB 1333 you need to manually set the FSB.

So try this:
Go to BIOS (using old P4) and set Multiplier to 8.
Set FSB to 266. Save and shutdown (turn it off manually once the PC try to re boot.
Put the E8200 in and boot ans see.


My ami bios seems to have different terms to yours. So could you please comment on what I should change.

The FSB can be changed to the full 1333 by directly putting that figure into the box. It does not seem to have a multiplier box.
It has an adjustable entry for CPU ratio. Currently at 20
Also for PCI-EFrequency at 100

Currently the CPU frequency is 2.666 (20*133). So far I can not see where the 133 is entered but as the E8200 is also 2.666 I presume I can leave it alone.
April 20, 2008 9:02:34 PM

R -
"CPU ratio" on your BIOS is the "CPU multiplier".
Keep PCI-E Frequency at 100 always.
You will need to check whether your BIOS wants the FSB "clock" (which would be 333MHz) or the FSB "datarate" (which would be 1333MHz or 4 times the clock).
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April 21, 2008 12:30:14 PM

Typical MSI rubbish

make sure there isnt a difference in board revisions to support certain cpus etc

remove the battery and let be for a few minutes

check that you have an up to date bios to support the cpu
April 21, 2008 2:05:47 PM

apache_lives said:
Typical MSI rubbish

make sure there isnt a difference in board revisions to support certain cpus etc

remove the battery and let be for a few minutes

check that you have an up to date bios to support the cpu


It was very hard to understand the board version situation. I spent a lot of time wondering if I had understood their scheme. The bios upgrade instructions repeated that the version no on the board must match the bios version as well as the model. My board says it is P6N SLI v1. The bios I have installed is P6N SLI v2.5. On the face of it I have done wrong, but they have a wizard on their web site and I checked the correct bios upgrade through the it. Their advice was I should use the 2.5. I reasoned that each change of the bios will have a new version number. So if the latest version is 2.5 I can hardly expect it to be v1



Mondoman said:
R -
"CPU ratio" on your BIOS is the "CPU multiplier".
Keep PCI-E Frequency at 100 always.
You will need to check whether your BIOS wants the FSB "clock" (which would be 333MHz) or the FSB "datarate" (which would be 1333MHz or 4 times the clock).


I am really not clear and so ask for your guidance. I have looked at the wiki for guidance but I need some more specific help.

The bios has an area for overclocking called the Cell Menu. These are my options:

Changeable:
System Clock mode: Choosing Manual gives:

FSB Clock (I can not enter 333 it defaults to 533 or higher)
Memory Clock 800
CPU ratio 20

Greyed out: Current cpu 2.666 (133*20)

So bearing in mind I can not see where to alter the 133Mhz what should I put in the FSB clock and CPU ratio without messing up the CPU frequency?

Two more questions:

1. The supplier has commented I have done everything possible by upgrading the bios. I should return it, but I suspect a change will make no difference. Does it mean I should buy a new board. If so which one would be an improvement over the P6N? I would like a manufacturer that gives some service. My previous board was an Asus and I found their service to be terrible and promised never to deal with them again. That is why I bought the MSI.

2 Why can't I post to this board other than by a quick reply? When I try to post normally, it reports the thread does not exist.
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April 22, 2008 2:36:14 AM

^ As for Q2: After the new Toms update some things seems to be screwed. Clear your internet temp files and see. It worked for me.
April 22, 2008 3:00:17 AM

Yes, the new owners are using a home-grown French BB system that isn't as good as the more widely used BB systems.
April 22, 2008 3:18:05 AM

R53843 said:
It was very hard to understand the board version situation. I spent a lot of time wondering if I had understood their scheme.

I agree. Their system is confusing. Here's a trick to make it easier: MSI's "real" MB designation is the number, not the name. Check out the MB image I've attached; that is a "P6N SLI" MB, but its number is "MS-7350". The correct BIOSes for this MB will all include "7350" in their file name, such as "7350v25.zip" for the BIOS version 2.5 for this board. Look in the same location on your MB to determine what model number MSI board you have.

R53843 said:


The bios has an area for overclocking called the Cell Menu. These are my options:

Changeable:
System Clock mode: Choosing Manual gives:

FSB Clock (I can not enter 333 it defaults to 533 or higher)
Memory Clock 800
CPU ratio 20

Greyed out: Current cpu 2.666 (133*20)

The "FSB clock" section above is really asking for the FSB datarate, which is 4x FSB clock. Thus, for a 133MHz FSB clock, you enter 533MHz in that section.

If you don't understand these terms, you are not ready to overclock (yet!). Check out the various overclocking guides on this forum and others.
April 22, 2008 6:43:59 AM

Mondoman stated:

"The "FSB clock" section above is really asking for the FSB datarate, which is 4x FSB clock. Thus, for a 133MHz FSB clock, you enter 533MHz in that section. "

As the 133 and 1333 both start with the same numbers, can you confirm that for the E8200 I should enter the fsb frequency speed of 1333MHz in the FSB clock input box, and not one quarter of it and certainly not 533Mhz.

I have upgraded the bios to the correct version. Thank you for your explanation.




April 30, 2008 6:52:25 PM

It seems that I will have to face the need to change my Motherboard. For the E8200 has anyone suggesions as to good board? Earlier it was suggested that the MB was crucial so I decided to ask before I buy. I do not need a rade board because I have a 3ware card. Good graphics for watching videos would be great.



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April 30, 2008 8:59:30 PM

P35-DS3L with a 8400GS or other cheap graphics, but not too cheap though (if you game get a 8800GS/9600,etc or better)
April 30, 2008 10:06:16 PM

Yes, the GA-P35-DS3L is a great "no-frills" choice.
May 1, 2008 8:37:54 AM

I have to be careful because I use Ubuntu linux and the video drivers can be a problem. Is it OK for Ubuntu with a dual screen?
May 1, 2008 9:07:46 AM

....MSI P6N SLI is based on 650i chipset, which does not support any 45nm CPUs.

EDIT: Am I really missing something here?
May 1, 2008 10:00:51 AM

Yomamafori

Can you please explain the implications of your comment. My upgrade cpu is the E8200. Are you really talking about the board not being suitable for the next generation cpu? Your note that you may be missing something but I am not knowledgeable to understand its implications.

R
May 1, 2008 10:10:42 AM

"Yomamafori

Can you please explain the implications of your comment. My upgrade cpu is the E8200. Are you really talking about the board not being suitable for the next generation cpu? Your note that you may be missing something but I am not knowledgeable to understand its implications. "


I have reread your comment and do understand your comment. I misunderstood the reference to the boards as I had been asking for a recommendation for a new board.

According to the MSI website the P6N SLI with v2.5 bios works with the E8200.

R



May 1, 2008 1:05:41 PM

Shadow:

My current graphics card is the GeForce 7600. Will I notice a big change if I upgrade to the 8400. In other words should I save my money and keep the existing card? I do not game.
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May 1, 2008 8:44:56 PM

NO!!!!!Don't "downgrade" to the 8400GS. I just gave the 8400GS thinking you had a AGP card. The 8400GS (unless OCed to hell) is lower than the 7600.

8400=Lower end of the 8000 cards.
7600= mid range of 7000 cards.
May 1, 2008 8:53:49 PM

Thank you for your reply. I had no idea of the comparative status of the two cards.

May 4, 2008 3:57:10 PM

I bought the GA -P35C-DS3R and am pleased to report that it had no difficulties with the E8200. A couple of points arise:

1. I have two sets of memory with different ratings, not in MHZ but one pair is 4-4-4-15 and the other pair is 5-5-5-12. Are there any bios settings I should adjust for this combination of memory?

2. I am having a problem with my 3ware raid drive not always being recognised. Is this an experience others are having?

3. Any advice on tweaking the bios, that works with this cpu would be appreciated, as I am not noticing much of a speed increase over the smithfield.

Robin
May 4, 2008 9:33:38 PM

Shoulda bought a 780G. Sounds like Intel needs to get their mobo makers in line
May 5, 2008 8:08:55 AM

R53843 said:
I have to be careful because I use Ubuntu linux and the video drivers can be a problem. Is it OK for Ubuntu with a dual screen?

I think the new version of Ubuntu (Hardy Heron?) has improved support for dual monitors. I run Gutsy Gibbon just fine on my GA-P35-DS3P.
May 5, 2008 5:08:34 PM

Thanks everyone for your help.

R
May 8, 2008 7:42:33 PM

I am wondering which of the following match the E8200. Could someone point me to the correct version to download:

swiftdove-2.0.0.14_05-05-08_athlon-xp_7.10-8.04.tar.gz Mirror 11480392 2 i386 .gz
swiftdove-2.0.0.14_05-05-08_pentium-3m_7.10-8.04.tar.gz Mirror 11686733 0 i386 .gz
swiftdove-2.0.0.14_05-05-08_pentium-4_7.10-8.04.tar.gz Mirror 11034066 8 i386 .gz
swiftdove-2.0.0.14_05-05-08_pentium-4m_7.10-8.04.tar.gz Mirror 11032930 1 i386 .gz
swiftdove-2.0.0.14_05-05-08_pentium-m_7.10-8.04.tar.gz Mirror 11689436 6 i386 .gz
swiftdove-2.0.0.14_05-05-08_prescott_7.10-8.04.tar.gz Mirror 11079061 8 i386 .gz
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May 8, 2008 8:10:45 PM

Any one of the downloads should work as long as it's x86 or x64. Or are you talking about performance?

Download Ubuntu (8.04) LTS Desktop Edition 64bit AMD and Intel computers here:

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
May 8, 2008 8:36:30 PM

I am talking about performance. They are optimised versions for different chips. I do not know into which category the E8200 falls.

Robin
May 8, 2008 10:07:35 PM

It doesn't fall into any of those (or it falls into all of them, imperfectly).
Don't mess around with optimized kernels -- they don't usually get you much, if for no other reason than that the apps which you run won't be optimized unless you recompile them yourself.
May 9, 2008 3:15:23 AM

swiftdove is an optimised version of Thunderbird. Are you saying that the correct one for my cpu will not be in effect optimised?
May 9, 2008 10:14:07 AM

There is no "correct one" for your CPU in that list. Typically, newer CPUs add extra instructions that may be more efficient than the corresponding "generic x86" ones. Later CPUs, as long as they also include those instructions, can take advantage of versions optimized for earlier CPUs, but there will also be newer extra instructions that the optimization for the older CPU ignores. In any case, unless you've got some kind of special case, it's unlikely that optimized versions will make any noticeable difference, and may introduce issues regarding software updates.

Go ahead and experiment by trying those various versions and see if you notice any difference.
May 9, 2008 12:31:26 PM

thank you for your help. I will consider my next move in the light of your comment. BTW I am very happy with my new MB and CPU. The slight overclocking I have done has made a lot of difference to the machine's speed.

Robin
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May 9, 2008 8:18:14 PM

^What's the new motherboard?
May 9, 2008 9:23:38 PM

Gigabyte MB:
GA-P35C-DS3R
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