i just gave away my 8800gt to my buddy while he was here, and now need a video card setup. i want ati, i have had nvidia for a long time, and seen what picture quality ati can produce, and would like to give them a try. so, the question is, will the 4870 be that much better than the 3870? or will it be an upset like 9000 series over the 8000 series cards? if not, i will buy a pair of 3870s when i get to san diego, or a pair of 4000 cards if they really are that "good". also, i hope the 9850 phenom is out then, and some better ram and mobo and i will be set!!!