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will a/pair of 4870's be that much better than a/pair of 3870's?

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March 30, 2008 8:03:36 AM

i just gave away my 8800gt to my buddy while he was here, and now need a video card setup. i want ati, i have had nvidia for a long time, and seen what picture quality ati can produce, and would like to give them a try. so, the question is, will the 4870 be that much better than the 3870? or will it be an upset like 9000 series over the 8000 series cards? if not, i will buy a pair of 3870s when i get to san diego, or a pair of 4000 cards if they really are that "good". also, i hope the 9850 phenom is out then, and some better ram and mobo and i will be set!!!

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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 8:35:08 AM

Well all know in 2 months.......
March 30, 2008 8:36:18 AM

I've heard rumors that its going to be immaculate. Move over 9800GX2, these ungodly GPUs have to be forged in a volcano and mythical griffans have to swoop down to fetch these cards. At the end of its production line, to top it off there sprinkled with god dust to give them there extra kick.

It's really like asking, "When I use the toilet tomorrow, how big is my Poo going to be?" :ouch: 

The Answer is... No one knows until it's released.

Theres very little information thats available on these cards so your guess is as good as everyone elses. But so far I think ATI is on the right track, and I like the idea of value for money, whether its single or multi GPU setup, which really speaks to the middle segment and each product shows a bit of growth potential with hybrid CF or crossfire.
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March 30, 2008 1:13:12 PM

Honestly I dont think the 4870 will beat the 9800gtx or 4870x2 be able to beat the 9800gx2 by much either...

Ati dont have a single card than can get anywhere near a 8800gtx/9800gtx and 2 to 3 months is a long time, by then Nvidia could have something new out again...

Ati are giving very good bang for buck, but they are not competing at the high end single/ dual card stage...

They are making things very complicated for people ie 2 x HD3870 on a crossfire board to compete with one 9800gtx
a c 104 U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 1:48:15 PM

short answer: yes it will. :p 
Based on the rumoured specs it'll have more of everything and faster memory GDDR5.
one 4870 is rumoured to be pretty close to a pair of 3870s, so 4870x2 should be even with 9800gx2 if not better
March 30, 2008 2:36:39 PM

I agree with Kari. The short answer is that the 4800s will perform better than the 3800s. The question that is unknown is: By how much? I have a 3870 on order at the memont. Its purpose is to get my new build running at fairly decent rates until the 4800s come out. At that time, I'll make a choice as to buying a pair of 4800s or buy another 3870, depending on the performance of the 4800. If I replace the 3870, it won't go to waste, but will used to replace the 7800 GTX that's currently in my business computer, so the purchase won't be wasted.
March 30, 2008 2:43:44 PM

After the Nvidia 9x fiasco I'm quite sure ATI would do its homework.
March 30, 2008 2:46:00 PM

mihirkula said:
After the Nvidia 9x fiasco I'm quite sure ATI would do its homework.


Yeah, and ATI had its own fiasco last year with the 2900, so it has even more reason not to repeat its mistakes.
March 30, 2008 2:47:33 PM

I personally would also agree with Kari. I have heard similar rumors saying it would have great improvement over current gen. I think it's well worth waiting. Even if it turns out to be not what we are hoping for, I'm sure there will be much better options than 2x 3870 by that time (money-wise too), so buy something for now and hold until then.
March 30, 2008 2:51:38 PM

@ Sailor. Eggjactly!! :) 
March 30, 2008 2:54:44 PM

pchoi04 said:
I've heard rumors that its going to be immaculate. Move over 9800GX2, these ungodly GPUs have to be forged in a volcano and mythical griffans have to swoop down to fetch these cards. At the end of its production line, to top it off there sprinkled with god dust to give them there extra kick.

It's really like asking, "[#0000ff]When I use the toilet tomorrow, how big is my Poo going to be?" :ouch: 
[/#0000ff]
The Answer is... No one knows until it's released.

Theres very little information thats available on these cards so your guess is as good as everyone elses. But so far I think ATI is on the right track, and I like the idea of value for money, whether its single or multi GPU setup, which really speaks to the middle segment and each product shows a bit of growth potential with hybrid CF or crossfire.
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 3:23:05 PM

Well, it SHOULD beat out anything out today. Now, as for what NVidia will come out with and how that performs compared to it, who knows.
a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 3:40:15 PM

You want a rumor? Heres one that may come true. 4870 10% faster than the Ultra
March 30, 2008 3:52:24 PM

Anyone who bashes the 2900 series should try running a 2900XT with cat. version 8.3. then make an educated opinion. The series has come into its own. Granted,the card was and is overpriced. But those of us who did take the plunge and buy one are not regretting it one bit. the 2900xt will beat a 3870 in just about every single benchmark. Again, I understand the price to performance ratios are not in favor of the 2900 series but at least we can run any game out there with all the settings jacked up. And DX10 performance took an impressive leap ahead with the 8.3 cats.I'm looking forward to see how the tech grows because the architecture is remaining close to the same as the 2900 series which means the 2900 series will continue to grow in performance as drivers are released for the 4000 series and beyond.
March 30, 2008 3:55:05 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
You want a rumor? Heres one that may come true. 4870 10% faster than the Ultra


If that rumor comes true, I can definitely see a couple 4870s in my new build. But we have to wait and see if the rumor is true.

Wouldn't it be nice if the rumor was false but in the other direction, like the 4870 being 15% faster than an Ultra? :sol: 
March 30, 2008 4:00:14 PM

Phin said:
Anyone who bashes the 2900 series should try running a 2900XT with cat. version 8.3. then make an educated opinion. The series has come into its own.


My earlier comment toward the 2900 being a fiasco was meant for its introduction, not so much as to how the 2900 performs today. When introduced, the 2900 was expected to be a killer card, and history shows how bad that went off. If the driver developement had been as good a year ago as it is now, the intro would have been much better, with a lot more 2900s selling. That said, as you state, it was and still is is overpriced.
a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 4:08:17 PM

sailer said:
If that rumor comes true, I can definitely see a couple 4870s in my new build. But we have to wait and see if the rumor is true.

Wouldn't it be nice if the rumor was false but in the other direction, like the 4870 being 15% faster than an Ultra? :sol: 
Even when spreading rumors, I tend to be conservative ;)  :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 4:45:59 PM

Hmm, Phin, I like the sound of that info (seeing as I'm running a 2900XT). I can't confirm any of that, but I do know that it runs everything I throw at it quite well (and significantly better than when it was new).
a c 104 U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 5:14:27 PM

are there any benches around of 2900xt with new drivers?
did a little google and found a thread about crysis performance but nothing else
March 30, 2008 5:18:51 PM

I am not too sure if the 4xxx series "r700" will be too good. It seems like a patched together upgrade of the rv670 with more ROP's issued to compete better with the now ancient nvidia 9 series. Some of the older specifications of "r700" were calling for native dual core, and over 1ghz clock speed at 45 nm / 40nm half node. Im not too sure that the 4xxx series is really a new generation, so much as a redesign.
March 30, 2008 5:47:18 PM

xerohour said:
I am not too sure if the 4xxx series "r700" will be too good. It seems like a patched together upgrade of the rv670 with more ROP's issued to compete better with the now ancient nvidia 9 series. Some of the older specifications of "r700" were calling for native dual core, and over 1ghz clock speed at 45 nm / 40nm half node. Im not too sure that the 4xxx series is really a new generation, so much as a redesign.


I don't think its all that often that a "ground up" redesign occurs with any company. Almost always its a refinement of an older design with enhancements of one sort or another. As an example, if you looked into aircraft history, the first jet aircraft were little more than a piston powered airplane with a jet engine stuck into it. To make things worse, often times the piston powered aircraft could do better the jet powered ones because the added speed made little difference in actual combat, while the jet engines could not accelerate as fast as the piston engines.

I don't know exactly what ATI has done here, but I'll speculate that the 4000 series is an upgraded 3000 series, as ATI has learned what works, what doesn't, and what can be done to imporve it. But those ideas still fit in the rumor mill.
March 30, 2008 5:51:01 PM

pchoi04 said:
I've heard rumors that its going to be immaculate. Move over 9800GX2, these ungodly GPUs have to be forged in a volcano and mythical griffans have to swoop down to fetch these cards. At the end of its production line, to top it off there sprinkled with god dust to give them there extra kick.

It's really like asking, "When I use the toilet tomorrow, how big is my Poo going to be?" :ouch: 

omfg i lold
March 30, 2008 5:53:01 PM

e6800xe said:
omfg i lold


"lold"?
March 30, 2008 5:59:07 PM

The more we discuss and anticipate a new GPU, the more disappointing it turns out.

I remember the first thread i read about the 9800gx2..something about it being 3 times faster than the 8800gtx. A week later it became 30% faster. Couple of months later i saw the benchmarks. Ho hum.
March 30, 2008 6:04:10 PM

That's why the expression, "In benches we trust", holds true. We can latch onto rumors, make them bigger, then pass them around where they get bigger yet, and then all be disappointed when reality appears. I expect the 4000 series will be better than the 3000 series, but that's as far as I'll go.

Ok, I mentioned a dream figure of 15% a few posts ago, but that was meant as a joke, not to be taken seriously. :kaola: 
a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2008 6:07:14 PM

Well, lets just say this, if it isnt at least 10% faster than the Ultra, theres going to be huge problems at AMD. Second best is being done on their cpus, has been done on their gpus, and this cant continue. I see a very nice card coming, not killer, and remember this, the killer card everyone was waiting for from Nvidia isnt out yet. Thats the G200
March 31, 2008 7:32:56 AM

that is what i was saying. the only good upgrade on nvidia part is 9600gt over 8600gt it seems. i am lookin forward to the new 4000 series. i guess i will snag a pair of them with a new mobo and phenom 9850 when they come out, well, when i get to sand dog. is there an official release on these? im guessing they wont be superpriced...even the new 9800gtx is going to be under 400, well, slated to be, who knows what the e-tailers are going to jack it up to. thanks for the input guys, and that is THE most postin in one thread in one day i have ever seen! must have said the right headline or something...
March 31, 2008 9:53:59 AM

I'm going to decide on a new rig as soon as the 9800gtx benches are released and the big question is:

"Do I get an expensive DDR3 790i SLI board with 9800GTX SLI or a X48 DDR2 for crossfireX?"

At this point (except for the price) I don't like the performance of the crossfired 3870X2 compared to the new nvidia cards in games like crysis with AA. The only thing I do like is the lower power consuption in idle. Like when reading this forum ;-) It's a pity the hybrid SLI motherboards for intel are not released yet, I think one of those with a 9800GX2 would be the best of both worlds.

My idea is to OC and keep everything for a few years and upgrade the videocards when necessary for the most demanding games.

An option I was thinking about is to get the cheaper X48 with 8 GB DDR2 now (with windows paging in RAM) and get a single 9800GX2 and hope the ATI cards will catch up next year and upgrade with their newest cards with CrossfireX then.
March 31, 2008 9:57:09 AM

Does someone know the answer to this one :

Will a 3000 card be able to crossfire with a 4000 card and will the 4000 card run at slower speeds in this case?
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March 31, 2008 12:25:24 PM

tjoepie said:
Does someone know the answer to this one :

Will a 3000 card be able to crossfire with a 4000 card and will the 4000 card run at slower speeds in this case?



Most likely.