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Hi All,

Quick question:

Will current power supplies (ie those with 24 motherboard connectors) support the new Nehalem motherboards?

I'm considering investing in a new PSU but the choice is between one that will do for this build and one that will hopefully last in the Nehalem structure.

Many Thanks

Jeremy Dykes

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If you compare the AMD and Intel at this moment the difference is not too big, so there should not be big difference between Nehalem and Core, If anything does not go wrong.
I predict that Nehalem platform needs less power than Core platfors as total, because of the lack of north bridge, but on the other hand I have newer win in lottery...
All in all at this moment the energy effiency is very popular concept in CPU industry, so I don't that intel would like to introduce new type of prosessor that is power hungry, exspecially when they are targetin mainly the server sector at first with Nahalem.

Reply to hannibal

Ok. Thanks Hannibal.

Do you expect that the connector that I clip onto the motherboard will be the same?

Reply to jpdykes

No new power platform (to my knowledge) has been ratified recently. It should adhere to either the ATX 2.3 spec (4-pin 12V) or EPS (8-pin 12V). My bet is the ATX form with optional 8-pin connector (like almost all P35 or X38/48 boards now).

Edit: Short answer - should stay the same.


Message edited by KyleSTL on 05-12-2008 at 10:59:57 PM
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Reply to KyleSTL

The PSU should be the same

Quote :

The location of the 12V power connector is between the two chipsets which, again, is unusual, but at least the 24-pin ATX connector is located at the top of the board.

First pictures of Intel's Bloomfield motherboard

Reply to Zorg

KyleSTL with the info again! Thanks very much.

Basically I need to make sure that I buy a PSU with EPS / ATX 2.3 if I want it to last into the next build.

Can someone enlighten me as to what the difference between V2.2 and V2.3 is?

Unfortunately I think that means forking out for an Enermax Modu+ (v2.3) rather than a Corsair TX/HX (although it may have EPS).


Message edited by jpdykes on 05-13-2008 at 12:08:21 AM
Reply to jpdykes

ATX 2.0 = 24 + 4-pin 12V & PCIe connector (6-pin)
ATX 2.2 = 24 + [4+4]-pin 12V (really an EPS) & PCIe connector (6-pin)
I'm not really sure what 2.3 adds, but I think it's 4 + 8-pin 12V or the 8-pin PCIe. Either the Corsair or Enermax will do.

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Reply to KyleSTL

Zorg wrote :

The PSU should be the same

Quote :

The location of the 12V power connector is between the two chipsets which, again, is unusual, but at least the 24-pin ATX connector is located at the top of the board.

First pictures of Intel's Bloomfield motherboard


Nice find. Did any one notice the Skull near the PCI slot? Could this turn in to another Skulltrail not many can buy?

 

Even if the power connectors are different manufactures will make converters.


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Reply to Shadow703793

I am pretty sure the CPU mobo and DDR3 are going to be pretty expensive for a good while. They will come down like they always do.

Reply to Zorg

Ok, so what we are saying is that:

The new motherboard will have 24pin (MB) and 8pin (CPU) power connectors and that the Enermax and Corsair PSU's come with both of those, so whichever one I choose I will be able to use the power supply into the next motherboard designs.

Enermax also suggest that graphics cards might move to 10/12 pin power designs or is this just a marketing ploy? Any comments?

Thanks again
Jeremy

Reply to jpdykes

+1

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Reply to KyleSTL

Zorg wrote :

I am pretty sure the CPU mobo and DDR3 are going to be pretty expensive for a good while. They will come down like they always do.



Agreed Zorg

I'm expecting 3 years for prices to be acceptable and within our budgets
That's why I took the chance now and built a system to last for 3 years

Reply to kad

Thanks Zorg and KyleSTL. I'll look out for adapters (I won't be the only one) when the need occurs.

I agree with both Zorg and Kad. However I'm in need of a new psu and thought that I may as well try and buy one that will last into the next motherboard design for when I rebuild.

Reply to jpdykes

Copied from my other post, I'm lazy.

 

Way overkill, but a gift at $119.99 after rebate. PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W

 


Message edited by Zorg on 05-14-2008 at 11:39:29 AM
Reply to Zorg

Thanks Zorg, unfortunately I'm in the UK (so once you add shipping....!!)

I am thinking about a Corsair HX620 (~£80). I'm struggling to work out if it comes with 2x 8pin PCIe. Although I'm torn because if I want to SLI in my next build, currently I only have one PCIe, I might be better off with the TX750 (~£82) but it is louder and not modular. I'm not entirely sure if it would take 2 9800GTX's (for example) anyway with 60A on 12V.

I was also thinking about an Enermax 625, very quiet, but that is quite a lot more at ~£105. It does come with 4x 8pin PCIe though, but it might not handle 2 9800GTX's because it has 50A max on the 12V.

Comments?

Edit: I have been using silent pc review to gauge noise level. I have to have my PC in my room at uni and don't really want a huge roar everytime I have it on...


Message edited by jpdykes on 05-14-2008 at 12:11:03 PM
Reply to jpdykes

Yup, being in England kills that idea. You can use this to determine the recommended PSU size with the new VGAs. Be sure to pay attention to the footnotes or you will get an erroneous output.

The Corsairs are both good single rail PSUs, even though the HX claims to be multirail. Here are some good Corsair reviews.

JonnyGURU.com - Reviews - Corsair HX620W
JonnyGURU.com- Reviews - Corsair TX750W

Reply to Zorg

Thanks Zorg. I used the calculator, it suggests:

450W for 9800GTX in SLI, 30A
470W for 9800GX2 in SLI - seems rather low. People have been suggesting you need 550W and 40A just for one of these things.

It looks like the Enermax 625 (50A) with 4x 8pins will do for 2x GTX's but not 2x GX2's. The TX750 (60A) will probably handle the same even though it has another 10A avaliable.

How do I find out what current these cards really need? That will basically solve this problem for me. NVidia are just suggesting about a 800 - 1000W which just seems excessive.

Jeremy

Reply to jpdykes

Sorry I didn't get back sooner. I think the concern is the fact that they have to worry about multi-rail PSUs. The two you are looking at are single rail as you can read about. Here is the true power draw of the cards.
The Truth About Graphics Power Requirements V2


Message edited by Zorg on 05-16-2008 at 06:49:40 AM
Reply to Zorg

Thanks Zorg that is the sort of information I've been after!! Not this "you need 1kW+" from NVidia.

I'll try and decifer what it means in terms of my build after my exams this week! (The joy's of being a uni student!)

Jeremy

Reply to jpdykes

I've had a bit of the look at the power requirements stuff. It looks like the Enermax might be good for anything really, even GX2's in SLI.

I'm going to have to wait for the new releases. It seems pointless to buy now when either something better is going to come out or the prices might drop.

I'm very tempted by the Enermax supply (£105), but it is more money. I could have a TX750 (£82) or HX620 (£80) for less. Although the TX is apparently noisy and the HX won't support 2 cards with 6 + 8 in the future.

Tricky decision.

Edit: Just found 2Gb of Geil Black Dragon PC8500 for £50. No concentrate! Power supplies!!
Edit 2: Only have XP so it wouldn't see all 4Gb anyway - so much for that.


Message edited by jpdykes on 05-16-2008 at 11:49:53 PM
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