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NVIDIA GT200 : GeForce 9900 GTX & 9900 GT In Q3

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March 31, 2008 3:30:30 PM

http://sg.vr-zone.com/articles/NVIDIA_GT200_:_GeForce_9...

No it is not some April Fool jokes. VR-Zone has learned that there will be two high end parts from Nvidia to replace the current GeForce 9800 GX2 and 9800 GTX in Q3. These two parts are GeForce 9900 GTX and GeForce 9900 GT based on the new GT200 architecture. GeForce 9800 GX2 and GTX will have a short lifespan since they will be replaced in a couple of months time. Nvidia has positioned GeForce 9900 GTX to replace 9800 GX2 and this gave a clue that a single GT200 card will actually outperform a dual G92 card. Likewise for GeForce 9900 GT, outperforming and replacing 9800 GTX. CJ revealed to us that Nvidia will have a hard time fitting GT200 onto the PCB since the GPU is gonna be large and very power hungry so we can probably assume it is still 65nm based. The PCB for GT200 will be P651.
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March 31, 2008 4:19:24 PM

wait are you serious that would be awesome. If i get an 9800gtx now and get evga would i be able to step up to an 9900gtx when released?
March 31, 2008 4:23:16 PM

Good find.

I hope they don't go with 9900 though...
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March 31, 2008 4:39:23 PM

homerdog said:
Good find.

I hope they don't go with 9900 though...


I agree. They need to work on their naming scheme a little bit. New architecture should result in a new number scheme like it used to be. For serious users it's not that bad, but i could see it starting to get a little confusing for some people.
March 31, 2008 4:41:29 PM

:heink:  If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is :heink: 

September at the earliest I'd say. They're mentioning it know to lure peoples attention away from the Radeon HD4's
March 31, 2008 5:05:10 PM

Bloody hell are they shafting anyone that just bought a GX2!!
No bloody way am I swapping out my GTXs in the near future!
Who'd think (assuming the card comes out to tempt buyers from the HD4K series) that a top-end card would ever last a min. of 3 months!
I think my next card(s) will be ATi's... :) 
March 31, 2008 6:50:23 PM

Nice find, these cards sound great. Building new comp now but will want to try this card when it comes out so eVGA here I come. :D 
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March 31, 2008 6:53:04 PM

some more rumours
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7578.html
Quote:
...GT200 is really two G94 chips slapped together...

Dual-core makes sense on a few points; GT200 is not a proper code-name for an NVIDIA core, but would sooner indicate something like a dual-core spin. The name GeForce 9900 series also points to that GT200 is another spin off the G9x architecture, and not a true next generation architecture.


well, we'll know when it arrives :p 

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March 31, 2008 7:21:41 PM

Still no news from trusted sites
remember the time that 9800GX2 wasnt out its specs were completely different from what it is for real
March 31, 2008 7:47:36 PM

If I'm reading this correctly, GT200 is two G94s in a single package. Hopefully this chip won't require duplicate framebuffers.
March 31, 2008 7:56:20 PM

Good news guys, trust me.
We need something more than an overclocked 8800GTS
March 31, 2008 8:06:59 PM

homerdog said:
If I'm reading this correctly, GT200 is two G94s in a single package. Hopefully this chip won't require duplicate framebuffers.



Well ti would be soemthing very knew then as all SLI needs two framebuffers thats how it works. Cards dont pool recources they just work together.
March 31, 2008 8:17:59 PM

hmmmnnn lets hope they're better than 9800suckX2
March 31, 2008 10:44:47 PM

Hatman said:
Well ti would be soemthing very knew then as all SLI needs two framebuffers thats how it works. Cards dont pool recources they just work together.

By single package I mean Q6600 style, like two dies under the same IHS. That is something completely new for GPUs as far as I know.
April 1, 2008 12:11:53 AM

The 9800gx2 is 50 to 60% faster than an 8800gtx in most demanding game ( Crysis, Oblivion etc ) so I would say a 9900gtx will be 70 to 80% than a 8800gtx, and should retail for $500

9800gt will be just under/ same performance as 9800gx2 and should retail for $300 or so....

9800gx2/ 8800gts sli owners will have no reason to upgrade imho...

Its highly unlikely that 9900gtx will be 2 g94 cards on one board...





April 1, 2008 1:15:20 AM

I wish they would quit screwing around and come out with a real successor to the 8800GTX. They are just going to rehash the same tech for two years and its getting old.
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April 1, 2008 1:34:37 AM

Funny how it keeps going back and forth from a 1.8billion transistor giant 55nm part to two Xmillion transistor 65nm part.

I agree with homerdog, it better be 2 dies on a single package like they rumour the R700 to be or else it's going to be inefficient like all previous G/X2 models.

What happened to the 'one big chip' theory? Sounds like either there were problems, or else the benefits of focusing on multiplying the mid-range won out as predicted.
April 1, 2008 4:48:28 AM

What's next, the 9999GTX?

Although powerful vidcards are welcomed, how much did the 9800GX2 cost to develop?
April 1, 2008 5:08:41 AM

Evilonigiri said:
What's next, the 9999GTX?



9950GTX more likely. :D 
April 1, 2008 8:05:08 AM

Yeah, heard about it, and I do hope these two cards are going to be a killer card. Glad I didn't get a 9800.

And I really hope the 9900 GTX uses a 512 bit memory bus.
April 1, 2008 10:25:12 AM

John Vuong said:
Yeah, heard about it, and I do hope these two cards are going to be a killer card. Glad I didn't get a 9800.

And I really hope the 9900 GTX uses a 512 bit memory bus.


512-bit for memory? I doubt so.
April 1, 2008 10:51:51 AM

I'm least excited about more 9x series from Nvidia. Enough disappointments already.
April 10, 2008 2:00:46 PM

review_benchmark_hun said:
http://sg.vr-zone.com/articles/NVIDIA_GT200_:_GeForce_9...

CJ revealed to us that Nvidia will have a hard time fitting GT200 onto the PCB since the GPU is gonna be large and very power hungry so we can probably assume it is still 65nm based. The PCB for GT200 will be P651.


What is the PCB?

Is this something on the MOBO like a PCI e 2.0?

Also, will these cards require PCI e 2.0 instead of X16?
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April 10, 2008 2:05:34 PM

PCB = printed circuit board. And x16 is the amount of paths it has, and PCI2 is just more of those paths added, so it can easily go backwards to PCI1
April 10, 2008 5:59:34 PM

I have no intent on getting a 9 series card. Unless this next one is a serious move forward and not just adding a couple more horsepower for a few extra frames like the 9 series so far (although the 9600GT is quite a value)
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April 10, 2008 10:17:15 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
PCB = printed circuit board. And x16 is the amount of paths it has, and PCI2 is just more of those paths added, so it can easily go backwards to PCI1


PCIe 2.0 has the same number of paths running at twice the speed.

I think all boards from top to bottom with be PCIe 2.0 at the interface from now on, internally that may be different.
April 11, 2008 2:37:08 PM

ATI RV 770 aka HD 4870 should be out in june. www.matbe.com
RV 770 is supposed to be 50% :??:  (IMO should be faster than that) faster than RV 670 is most applications.
Not a revolution to blast NV out of the market but some good competition
to the 8800GTS 512 and even 9800GTX. Better bang for money... :bounce: 
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April 11, 2008 6:56:58 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
PCIe 2.0 has the same number of paths running at twice the speed.

I think all boards from top to bottom with be PCIe 2.0 at the interface from now on, internally that may be different.

TY Ape, I hadnt any sleep when I wrote this, as well as a few other things :o  Im hoping this is at least 10x better than the Intel IGP :lol:  as Im sure it will be. Im waiting with enthusiasm for the next true gen from both nVidia and ATI
April 11, 2008 7:16:05 PM

I think any video card made in the last 8 years is probably "10x better than the Intel IGP".
April 11, 2008 7:18:12 PM

Good news for me as I may now get the chance to 'upgrade'! but I really do feel sorry for the people who have just spent big bucks on the new 9800's, especially the 9800 GX2 as they MAY only have a top of the range card for according to this article about 3-4 months. Apparently there is a 9900 GX2 as well.

http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/602331/rumour-control-ge...

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April 11, 2008 7:40:40 PM

San Pedro said:
I think any video card made in the last 8 years is probably "10x better than the Intel IGP".

This was meant to be a joke about the ongoing battle between nVidia and Intel, refering to Nvidias CEOs comment about Intels IGP. If you havnt read it its good stuff http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11448 As for the 9800GTX, I guess thats progress, disappointing tho it is. But like I said, Im really looking forward to these nexr gen cards.
April 11, 2008 7:50:30 PM

Quote:
The statement clearly struck a nerve with Huang, who paused for a second before adding "How much faster can you render the blue screen of death?"


LOL :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
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April 11, 2008 10:20:07 PM



Bogus!
As if the date of the release didn't help already. [:mousemonkey:1]

Just look at the Device ID and tell me how this G0D-E like number at the beginning or the one with the similar ending works in Hexadecimal? Sounds like someone doesn't even know the general rules for fakery, leave no obvious errors.

nVidia's vendor code is 0x10DE of which usually just those last 4 characters appear; if that helps you figure out the veracity of the picture at the bottom.
http://developer.nvidia.com/object/device_ids.html
April 11, 2008 11:41:53 PM

PCB P651 - is that the same length as a 8800GTX?

The 8800GTX fits in my case with less than a mm to spare - surely the new cards won't be any longer!?
April 11, 2008 11:46:44 PM

u guys are already assuming performance? I'd suggest you don't assume anymore, that way you won't get disappointed.

The cards are still far away from selling:)  I doubt we'll see them till Xmas. So yeah
April 12, 2008 12:28:37 AM

Nearly a 3-year run on one GPU? That's gotta be some sort of record.
April 12, 2008 6:43:31 AM

jkflipflop98 said:
Nearly a 3-year run on one GPU? That's gotta be some sort of record.

for sho, fur show!
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April 14, 2008 4:38:21 PM

jkflipflop98 said:
Nearly a 3-year run on one GPU? That's gotta be some sort of record.


What's had a 3 year run? :heink: 

The GF8 is less than 2 years old, just barely over 1.5 so only 1/2 way to that 3 year run, and if you were to count any refresh as a GF8, then it's not much of a record compared to the R300 or NV40 architectures. :pfff: 
April 14, 2008 5:34:15 PM

I wonder when they will start making all highend video cards external because of chip size. They could do it. Make a PCIe card with a cable attachment that goes into a box. The box could have its own power cord to plus into the wall to power its own built in 1kw PSU. :) 
April 14, 2008 7:15:12 PM

cah027 said:
I wonder when they will start making all highend video cards external because of chip size. They could do it. Make a PCIe card with a cable attachment that goes into a box. The box could have its own power cord to plus into the wall to power its own built in 1kw PSU. :) 

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April 14, 2008 7:27:08 PM



homerdog, cah027 was talking about gpu's for the home/gaming solution, not the ones used by analysts, scientists, and so on...besides those things cost like $15,000 USD....

on the bight side an upgrade that won't cost much is upgrading that old hand to a shiny new-car smelling one!

:lol:  [:kentuckyranger:1] :lol:  [:kentuckyranger:1] :lol: 
April 14, 2008 10:45:52 PM

FrozenGpu said:
homerdog, cah027 was talking about gpu's for the home/gaming solution, not the ones used by analysts, scientists, and so on...besides those things cost like $15,000 USD....

I was just kiddin' :D 

A little off topic here but did anyone read that thread where the guy was putting four 9800GX2s into one system for some hardcore medical imaging or something? I'll have to dig that one up...
April 15, 2008 8:37:23 PM

yeah kjoost was his name, dude I am waiting for him to finish that one up already, i really wanted to see it in action!
April 15, 2008 9:08:37 PM

LukeBird said:
Bloody hell are they shafting anyone that just bought a GX2!!
No bloody way am I swapping out my GTXs in the near future!
Who'd think (assuming the card comes out to tempt buyers from the HD4K series) that a top-end card would ever last a min. of 3 months!
I think my next card(s) will be ATi's... :) 



If you paid attention to what NV was saying you would have seen this coming. NV doesn't want to invest in the X2 game like ATI does. They will only put out an X2 card if and only if ATI does in order to compete. I would never purchase an X2 card from NV after NV themselves have denounced them.

JAYDEEJOHN said:
PCB = printed circuit board. And x16 is the amount of paths it has, and PCI2 is just more of those paths added, so it can easily go backwards to PCI1


Hahaha, whoooopseee. X16 = x16....you must have been reeeeeally sleep deprived. [:zorg]
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April 15, 2008 9:31:43 PM

SpinachEater said:
If you paid attention to what NV was saying you would have seen this coming. NV doesn't want to invest in the X2 game like ATI does. They will only put out an X2 card if and only if ATI does in order to compete. I would never purchase an X2 card from NV after NV themselves have denounced them.



Hahaha, whoooopseee. X16 = x16....you must have been reeeeeally sleep deprived. [:zorg]

LOL Yeah, and cranky too as I wont mention other posts I made :o  Oh well, wont be doind that again :sol: 
April 15, 2008 9:47:07 PM

SpinachEater said:
If you paid attention to what NV was saying you would have seen this coming. NV doesn't want to invest in the X2 game like ATI does. They will only put out an X2 card if and only if ATI does in order to compete. I would never purchase an X2 card from NV after NV themselves have denounced them.

I must ask, where does the 7950GX2 fit into that statement? :heink: 
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April 15, 2008 9:50:05 PM

I would also ask, whered the support go for those?
April 15, 2008 10:41:44 PM

homerdog said:
I must ask, where does the 7950GX2 fit into that statement? :heink: 


Apparently that was the take home message after the 7950GX2 folly.

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I would also ask, whered the support go for those?


Yeah I don't know...the 9800GX2 just came out too...oh wait you are talking about the 7950? :kaola: 
April 15, 2008 11:22:00 PM

I hate dual gpu, single slot thing, the scaling sucks and so does the perf/price ratio. looking for that 9900GT though, it might be interesting. the 8800GT was a savior for most us because of the huge performance gap, the 8600GT was about a fifth the power of the 8800s, pathethic. a 7600GT performed better in most cases.
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