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9600 GT is severly being bottlenecked.

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April 1, 2008 8:48:00 PM

I installed my 9600GT I got yesterday, reinstalled all the drivers, and everything, but all games are as slow or slower than they were with my 6800.

My specs:


4000x2+ @ 2.5 ghz
Pcie x16 wired for x8 mode (where my 9600GT is installed :(  )
2 gb of DDR2 633 ram.
550 Watts PSU dual 12 v rail one at 19v one at 18 v.
Windows Vista Ultimate x64 edition


Games:

World in conflict - On Very High w/o AA and 1024x768 and medium physics Dx10 rendering.

Benchmark: 13 fps avg
In normal game play: 13- 16 fps avg

Crysis - With CCC on level 2. (So... Basically the quality is around medium- high)

Average FPS @ calm: 18 fps.
Normal FPS during Any real game play: 8 fps.


Multiplayer- with same as above.

Average FPS: 6


Multiplayer- with everything on low

Average FPS: 9



My 6800 GT did better...


Can anyone help me find the Bottleneck?


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April 1, 2008 9:32:13 PM

Why have you got the card in a PCIE 8x slot? Also both those games are very demanding. You have a nvidia card so why are you using CCC? Also the rez you are playing at is quite low making the games more cpu dependent.

I severly doubt there is any kind of bottleneck going on at all. I have a 3870 and I can play Crysis @ 1280x1024 everything on high with no AA dx9, and I have a 4800x2 @ 2.4ghz.

Some suggestions are to put the card in a pcie x16 slot. There might be some kind of driver conflict going on like why are you mentioning CCC. It is also possible that because you have Vista x64 that 2gb of ram simply isn't enough. Your best option is to format and reinstall vista and then see what happens.
April 1, 2008 9:35:28 PM

Ah, interesting story...
You see, Jetway said that their product was a Pcie 16x slot, it was really 8x. I didn't feel like returning it, I worked so hard to build it.

As for the Resolution, should I INCREASE the resolution? Or decrease or what?

CCC is a mod for crysis that changes the quality of graphics. Cuban Ultima config.
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April 1, 2008 9:47:12 PM

Sorry CCC also stands for Catalyst control centre used by ATI drivers. Increase the resolution as it puts a greater work load on your graphics card. You should always have the resolution at the native resolution of the monitor. What size monitor do you have?

Well that sucks on the mobo front. Are you certain that it won't run at x16 because there should be the option to change it in the bios. You should have really returned the mobo as that is misrepresentation.

Have you tried playing Crysis without the graphics mod as it could be causeing issues.

I checked WIC benchmarks used with the 9600gt and at you settings you should be getting around 50fps. So it seems as though there is something definately wrong.

Have you got the latest chipset drivers and bios for your mobo?
April 1, 2008 9:53:18 PM

Thank god, I'm not delusional! :D 
Ok, uh my monitor is a 17" CRT, so my native resolution doesn't exist. I set it at 1600x1200, it did increase the fps by 3 or so.

Without the graphics mod, its worse, so that isn't a problem.

The latest bios is 2 years old, and the latest chipset doesn't exist I believe.
April 1, 2008 9:57:27 PM

what chipset is it? maybe the chipset manufacturer has a newer bios than the motherboard manufacturer. Jetway is one of the manufacturers I avoid due to bad experience...
April 1, 2008 10:00:08 PM

This is the chip set: NF6100-405
April 1, 2008 10:02:39 PM

bliq said:
what chipset is it? maybe the chipset manufacturer has a newer bios than the motherboard manufacturer. Jetway is one of the manufacturers I avoid due to bad experience...


The bios is down to the manufacturer I as it is brand specific. However you are correct on the chipset drivers. They are standard. So use cpuz and check the mobo section to see what chipset you have.
April 1, 2008 10:05:03 PM

The chipset reads: MCP61

Let me check for drivers...

All hail CPU-Z!
April 1, 2008 10:07:11 PM

Yha, They have drivers...

From Gigabyte! I don't want to risk installing it, Gigabyte's awesomeness my destroy the mobo. :p 
April 1, 2008 10:11:48 PM

Yha, thats it. Thanks, though I think I already have that installed..

Edit: How do I install this??!
April 1, 2008 10:12:58 PM

I would worry about the drivers breaking anything. They are software only. The most they will do is cause some errors. In which case you can remove them. Besides drivers re generally made for a chipset rather than a specificly branded mobo.
April 1, 2008 10:15:07 PM

Dont buy cheap parts to play a badass game.
Mobo junk
CPU junk
PSU is junk if it is a no name brand that came with caes.

You think a 300 dollar system is gonna keep up with a 1000 system? Come on.
April 1, 2008 10:18:07 PM

The PSU I bought separately (Thank god!)

But Bios updates are firmware...
April 1, 2008 10:18:47 PM

To find out if the bios are the same cpuz tells you the version of the bios so make sure its a later version. If its the same version then don't bother. There are tools you can use to update your bios in windows or the safest way is to update through dos.

TBH I have only just noticed that you are on an AM2 board. There are plenty of good cheap am2 boards out there you really might be better off buying a new mobo because the one you currently have sounds like a right ball ache.
April 1, 2008 10:22:55 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Dont buy cheap parts to play a badass game.
Mobo junk
CPU junk
PSU is junk if it is a no name brand that came with caes.

You think a 300 dollar system is gonna keep up with a 1000 system? Come on.


The psu seems fine.
The cpu certainly isn't junk.
The mobo is junk.

I don't see how he has overstretched his targets. They seem very reasonable. But the system does seem to be underachieving.


April 1, 2008 10:23:25 PM

The bios is the same, downloading the driver update instead from gigabyte.
April 1, 2008 10:24:44 PM

I can't believe I forgot. The most obvious thing to do is to run 3d mark 06. That way you can compare your score to other people with similar systems. Its one of the easiest ways to troubleshoot.
April 1, 2008 10:26:03 PM

Oh, I did that actually...

Got more than 6000 3dmarks...

Was really quite amazed.
April 1, 2008 10:28:49 PM

How does it compare to similar systems?

My 4800x2 @ 2.4ghz
2gb ddr
ati 3870
xp

gets 10000 ish.

April 1, 2008 10:33:17 PM

Yha, its under performing, your system is about the same as mine...
April 1, 2008 10:33:18 PM

The CPU certainly is junk on todays standards. Its great gor a every day machine or yesteryears games, but it is time for "INTEL" The e2160 will spank the 4000 x2+

Everytime I see someone here complaining why is my score not as high as everyone else. I look at their CPU and it is an AMD 4xxx x2+ series.

If you want the high numbers jump on the Intel wagon.
April 1, 2008 10:33:56 PM

I like Intel, but...
April 1, 2008 10:38:43 PM

Damn, the drivers did nothing
April 1, 2008 10:39:57 PM

Well the fact that it is underperforming has nothing to do with the cpu. There is something not working correctly. So instead of making useless comments why don't you try and help out the OP sort out the issue.
April 1, 2008 10:41:01 PM

I don't know whats failing still, but its annoying..
April 1, 2008 10:54:15 PM

Reboot and defrag the HD then reboot again.
Uninstall the driver for the GXF,reboot.
Clean the registry,defrag the -->registry<-- and reboot.
Now install the GFX driver,reboot set the res,reboot and defrag the HD it's self again.

The votages you say your HD have are screwy (perhaps a typo and you ment AMPS rather than VOLTS)...using Vista is never going to be helpful when it comes to drivers even if the said drivers are for Vista.

Vista is not just slower than XP it is a ram hog. The more ram you have the more it will use up to 4GB. At 4GB of ram it uses up almost 25%.
Find a copy of XP insatll it and see how well and much faster your system runs.

I have 2GB of ram...can run all me 3 security programs,leave two web pages open,run six torrents while playing a game and never use more than 59% of my ram according to Asus Probe II.
April 1, 2008 10:54:29 PM

Coincidental edits, love them...

I defraged the hard drive, earlier today.

Will unisntall the drivers right now and do what you say, thanks!
April 1, 2008 11:03:48 PM

Thank god, a intel owner is unbiased. Thank you!
Edit: Yha I meant amps.
April 1, 2008 11:09:39 PM

rockstone1 said:
Coincidental edits, love them...

I defraged the hard drive, earlier today.

Will unisntall the drivers right now and do what you say, thanks!


I also redid my post while you were posting!
Let us know how it works out.

Also when Vista 64 runs a 32 bit program it slows down to emulate it.
April 1, 2008 11:12:24 PM

So many errors...

Who's brilliant idea was it to have a registry on windows in the first place?
April 1, 2008 11:14:00 PM

Wait, could my problems stem from the fact that x32 programs are running in the background?
April 1, 2008 11:24:46 PM

Hard to say what your problem is, but your specs should be doing much better. My roommate is using pentium 4 570 (can't remember if it is 3.8 or 3.6ghz) with an 8800GT and he can play Gears of War and Quake Wars with high settings @ 1680x1050 and get smooth frame rates.


Try out some of zoldude's suggestions, especially remove any video drivers you currently have and then reinstall newest forceware drivers. Good luck.
April 1, 2008 11:34:03 PM

ZOldDude said:
Reboot and defrag the HD then reboot again.
Uninstall the driver for the GXF,reboot.
Clean the registry,defrag the -->registry<-- and reboot.
Now install the GFX driver,reboot set the res,reboot and defrag the HD it's self again.

The votages you say your HD have are screwy (perhaps a typo and you ment AMPS rather than VOLTS)...using Vista is never going to be helpful when it comes to drivers even if the said drivers are for Vista.

Vista is not just slower than XP it is a ram hog. The more ram you have the more it will use up to 4GB. At 4GB of ram it uses up almost 25%.
Find a copy of XP insatll it and see how well and much faster your system runs.

I have 2GB of ram...can run all me 3 security programs,leave two web pages open,run six torrents while playing a game and never use more than 59% of my ram according to Asus Probe II.

I guess you never understood what superfetch is. I gave 2gb RAM and vista 32-bit and within 3 mintues it uses up ALL my RAM, and guess what? Things load alot faster than in XP. As for drivers - catalsyt 8.3 for vista is far superior than for XP. The XP drivers halved my framerates over 8.2.
April 1, 2008 11:56:11 PM

Wow, been about 45 minutes, still finding broken registry entries...

April 1, 2008 11:58:12 PM

Well such is windows. Get OSX if you want to avoid those problems, then you get safari installed so people can hack into your rig.
April 2, 2008 12:02:26 AM

Lol, I know.

ZZZzzz....
April 2, 2008 12:02:27 AM

Damn Double post.

About an hour has passed, still searching.

How much longer?
a b Î Nvidia
April 2, 2008 12:13:59 AM

Don't forget that your 6800 and 9600 aren't running the same code. The 6800 can't run DX10, it would run in DX9 mode which is faster the last time I looked. If you put your 9600 at the EXACT same settings as the 6800, I would guess it would be faster.

If we are talking about 3DMark 06, something is definitely not right. What are the individual scores?
April 2, 2008 12:36:15 AM

Huh?

3dmark 2006 has slightly more than 6000 3dmarks.


Very bad.
April 2, 2008 12:37:17 AM

*sounds* like a power issue... even though the 6800 should use more power if I'm not mistaken. Other suggestion: get a *real* motherboard. Being attached to a piece of technology is irrational.

-mcg
April 2, 2008 1:03:19 AM

Huh?

What do you mean?

April 2, 2008 1:09:43 AM

No change!
Absolutely NO change! :( 


So, I'm left with two options:

Bad PSU
or
Bad Video card.

Wouldn't either of them cause a complete failure?
a c 87 Î Nvidia
April 2, 2008 1:39:42 AM

rockstone1 said:
Thank god, I'm not delusional! :D 
Ok, uh my monitor is a 17" CRT, so my native resolution doesn't exist. I set it at 1600x1200, it did increase the fps by 3 or so.


Before LCD's were around the "native resolution" of a CRT monitor is what we now might call the default setting for that size. With LCD's the definition becomes a bit more restrictive in that the suck at any other resolution. With CRT's this doesn't hold. But the default res of a 17" would be 1024 x 768.


a c 87 Î Nvidia
April 2, 2008 1:43:50 AM

randomizer said:
Well such is windows. Get OSX if you want to avoid those problems, then you get safari installed so people can hack into your rig.


You are aware that both the Mac machine AND the windows machine were hacked in that contest. Only the Linux laptop wasn't penetrated. In the mac they got in using Safari and the Mac firewall wasn't turned on. On the Windows, they used Adobe Flash to provide a door into the Windows box....Windows firewall was on. Looks like both exploits will ultimately be proven to be "cross platform"
April 2, 2008 2:05:35 AM

I reseated the video card, gave it extra power.

No change.

I think it is a bad video card or some weird problem on my board.
a b Î Nvidia
April 2, 2008 2:09:06 AM

Actually, a 6800 doesn't use as much power as you'd expect.

Are there any significant background processes running? How much free ram do you have? Can you possibly do a reinstall of windows?
April 2, 2008 2:10:50 AM

Anti virus that doesnt want to shut off.
And a search indexer that keeps reappearing. Nothing else.
I have about 1.5 gb free ram after vista gobbles the rest.
I could do a reinstall, but I would rather not.


a b Î Nvidia
April 2, 2008 2:12:47 AM

The antivirus isn't actually doing anything, right? At idle, what is your CPU usage?
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