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March 23, 2008 8:19:22 PM

ok so this week i was offered a new pc but i was given two choices

dell xps 630 prebuilt
specs
q6600 cpu
windows vista home premium
for ram i can get 2X1gb at 667 mhz or 800mhz i was thinking about getting 2 800mhz and getting another 2gb from newegg.
320gb
geforce 8800gt 512mb
for $1,249

built from the ground up.
case: antec 900
mobo- GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard
video card-evga 8800gt 512mb (i think superclocked)http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...
psu-Ocz stealth 600W
cpu-E8400 (i cant seem to find one to order)
ram-G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
h/d-320gb western digital sata 3.0gbs
os-windows vista home premium 32 bit.
$928 with rebates so i could spend more money on a better motherboard with sli.

they said they would pay up to 1,000 of it since i helped them with there house. and i can shell out about 300 bucks. i really want to play bioshock, cod 4, crysis on med/high. so will i be able to play these games at say 60fps on high if crysis isn't high thats ok i just want to play it nice and smooth. is there anything i should change on the built from the ground up pc to give me better performance besides the motherboard? So what do you feel is the better option to go with. And were can i get my hands on an E8400 since i can find that Cpu anywhere. thank you very much.

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March 23, 2008 9:30:43 PM

I like option 2 better, you know the parts are very good. In my sig you can see a similar build and I've played all those games. My system played them smooth on my res 1440 x 900. Right now people like the 8800 GTS 512 better for just a bit more $ dinero. For the cost of ram go 2 x 2 GB and consider Vista 64 Ultimate. I liked bioshock and COD4 better than Crysis, but they're all very good.
March 23, 2008 9:58:41 PM

is the 8800gts 512mb better then the 8800gt 512mb? well i thought most programs don't work with 64-bit OS. and also how well can you run crysis?
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March 23, 2008 10:46:11 PM

yea so it seems i can get a e8400 or a e3110 thanks for that little info. there the same thing just one says xeon and the other doesn't? and if i were to bump up to gts 512mb how much fps would i gain if you had to guess? i'm still wondering though about the 64 bit windows. i guess its running 32 bit apps ok and that with 64 bit i can get 8gb of ram would games use all 8gb or would windows only see the 3 gbs?
March 23, 2008 11:13:29 PM

With 64bit, itd see and use all 8Gigs. The GTS is around 10+% faster, runs cooler and has a better cooling solution (keeps your case cooler) Yes theyre both the same cpus, just a different name on top
March 24, 2008 2:04:41 AM

what 8800gts should i get then?
March 24, 2008 3:02:48 AM

i like the evga gpu's. they are good, + you are given the possibility of stepping up to a newer card within 3 months.
A3 version comes with crysis if you dont have it. if you have it already get the AR version.
March 24, 2008 3:44:18 AM

The 2nd option is the best one to start with. You know the components are good and you don't have any additional "Crap" ware on it to start with.
* I'd stick with the 8800gts (g92) if you can afford it. It generally runs cooler and is about 10% faster than the 8800gt. If you had the wiggle room, which I think you do, you could even get the 3870x2!! That would be the best GPU option, aside from the 9800 gx2 which is too expensive.
* OCZ makes okay PSU's, but I'd rather have a Corsair vx 550w/tx 650w PSU instead. The 600w Stealth has about 36A on the 12V rail's and only has a 1 yr. warranty. The Corsair PSU's have 5 yr. warranties and are made very well. OCZ is getting better too, since they recently bought PCP&C, but I'd rather spend the same amount of $ or less and get a better PSU. The Corsair vx550w PSU (41A on the 12V rail) is going for $65 after $20 MIR, so it's a steal right now! The tx 650w PSU (52A on the 12V rail) is going for $97 w/no MIR's, but is a gem for the $. The OCZ Stealth is going for $90 at Newegg, so you can see where I'm coming from here.

Corsair VX 550W ATX Power Supply - CMPSU-550VX
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-550w-atx-power-suppl...

Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply - CMPSU-650TX
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-tx-650w-atx12v-power-su...
March 24, 2008 2:19:39 PM

if you want a modular psu get the corsair 620hx for 115$ at buy.com or zipzoomfly.com
any sli mobo is going to cost you 250$+ (evga 780i) so that will bust your budget
the mobo you have is fine, just remember it does not support raid or firewire (and it doesnt have a 8 pin cpu power connector, but thats not that important)
i wouldnt care that much about sli or crossfire, just because when the games require more than your single gpu, there will be other single gpu's out that will perform better than two old ones in crossfire or sli
the 3870x2 is two cards in one so it is better than a single 8800 series card. nvidia have released their equivalent, 9800gx2
however, both of thes cards are expensive and at least as of today, two 8800gts sli perform better than 9800gx2 for less money
March 24, 2008 2:55:29 PM

yea im not going to be using raid or firewire so im good. im just bummed out that the videocard and cpu are out of stock at newegg. is there any place with the same price and maybe the free crysis game. i dont care so much about the free game its the price for hardware.
March 24, 2008 3:30:40 PM

newegg have the gpu in stock for the same price but without crysis. its still cheap though, but if you want crysis thats 40$ extra later on
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
the e8400 will be in stock sometime in april so if you absolutely want dual core instead of quad youll have to wait and the gpu with crysis might be in stock again
March 24, 2008 3:41:09 PM

cant see it
March 24, 2008 3:43:49 PM

i hit share and it doesn't show it my bad ill fix that in one minute
March 24, 2008 3:48:21 PM

hermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: GA-P35-DS3L
Item #: N82E16813128059



EVGA 512-P3-N841-A3 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #: 512-P3-N841-A3
Item #: N82E16814130312

Rosewill RP550-2 ATX12V v2.01 550W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: RP550-2
Item #: N82E16817182017




Intel Xeon E3110 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E3110 - Retail
Model #: BX80570E3110
Item #: N82E16819117165

Update
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail
Model #: F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ
Item #: N82E16820231098

Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD3200AAKS
Item #: N82E16822136074

Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Black SATA Model LH-20A1S - Retail
Model #: LH-20A1S
Item #: N82E16827106057
Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
Model #: 66I-00715
Item #: N82E16832116202

for $1036
March 24, 2008 4:01:20 PM

i wouldget 2x2 gb ram even though you are buying 32 bit and get a better psu like the 620hx or similar from buy.com
combo vista with your mobo and get 20$ off

March 24, 2008 4:56:08 PM

so get 4gb total then right. and combo on newegg. is the 620hx overkill for my system?
March 24, 2008 5:35:14 PM

yes; yes; no
March 24, 2008 5:43:35 PM

is the e8400 a bad choice? i mean i heard most games and stuff only use two cores not all 4.
March 24, 2008 7:56:40 PM

quad cores will eventually take over, probably within the year when it comes to games. its just a matter of the programmers making games and apps utilizing all cores. the q6600 has been out for over a year now so most programs/games are being developed for 4 cores
if gaming performance is most important get a e8400. if you want a more future proof / multitasking (that also runs games good) computer get a q6600 or q9450
March 24, 2008 8:21:19 PM

i want it for games but also future proof. if i get the q6600 i can get it all this weekend and not worry about when the e8400 is back in stock . what do you think is better.
March 24, 2008 9:23:18 PM

i am just about to build a system and i was thinking of going for the q6600 cause i want quad core, but you decide. many will say get the e8400, many will say get the q6600. you wont notice a life and death difference either way cause you will be able to run most games at max anyway. if you get the q6600 oc it to 3.0-3.6ghz. its real easy, just look around on other threads and google it. there is even a speciifc ds3l oc guide. then again many oc the e8400 up to 4ghz. just make sure you get a good cpu coler.
if you really dont want to oc, then get the e8400 for 3 ghz stock
the e8400 will probably be in stock in a week or two. its really the old quad vs dual question. if you dont mind waiting the q9450 will be out soon which will utilize the 45nm technology the e8400 uses but it will probably be around 350$+ for the first months. but really the only advantage of the q9450 will be less heat whic = more oc, which unfortunately needs an expensive mobo because of the x8 multiplier. its a tough choice but either way you cant go wrong and you will get a nice system. as mentioned, i am leaning towards the q6600 to be future proof and because i like multitasking without lagging, but the e8400 would probably last until 2010 when the nehalems have settled and a full upgrade of your comp is needed if you want to keep up performance wise
March 24, 2008 10:56:20 PM

hitman24 said:
so get 4gb total then right. and combo on newegg. is the 620hx overkill for my system?

The hx620w PSU is overkill, but it will leave plenty of room for upgrades later. I'd still go with the vx550w PSU that I linked earlier. It's still cheap and can't be beat for what you get at the price it is at now.
March 24, 2008 11:46:12 PM

it looks like the e8400 does better in games but four cores is tempting when it uses all four cores it is faster then then e8400 right?
March 25, 2008 1:04:57 AM

If the program takes advantage of all 4 cores. If the program isn't coded or written to take advantage of 4 cores than the higher clocked 2 core CPU will do slightly better. You can decide which way you want to go.
March 25, 2008 1:50:14 AM

I'd go with the Corsair 520HX (Made by Seasonic) if you want modular cabling. The 520HX is a little higher quality than the 550VX (Made by CWT).
March 25, 2008 2:38:04 AM

1st off, build your own system...

I faced a similar choice between the E8400 and the Q6600. I chose the Q6600 to be more futureproof for future multicore programs and games.

I think I would have been happy either way but I had to make a choice and that was the best for me. If you are one that has to be able to say "I overclocked my CPU to over 4Ghz", then go with the E8400. Otherwise, go with the Q6600. If you can get to a local Microcenter store they may still have their special for 199.99 for the Q6600. Thats where I got mine.

As for the video card. I have a bud of mine that got the new 9600GT by EVGA and he benchmarked 9500 with Futuremark06 running Vista 32 bit OS, 2Ghz ram, and an AMD 6000+ CPU stock speeds.

Not bad for a 179.99 card by EVGA!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or spend 10.00 more and get a few more horsepower

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I can assure you, for what you just said about wanting to be able to play most games very smooth, this card will do it and quite cheaply may I add.

I went to his house and we played F.E.A.R. running on 2 monitors, 19" Viewsonic and a 42" Polaroid LCD mounted on the wall with a very high end Bose sound system. Totally awesome gameplay and I own the EVGA 8800 GTX ANS3 and was still totally impressed.

Decisions, decisions...
March 25, 2008 3:18:10 AM

Ok here is another choice get the sonata III it has a earth watt 500 PSU at 80% efficiency rating that way your case and PSU will be covered and Micro Center has a sale on the Q6600 for $199.00 this month
March 25, 2008 12:36:39 PM

i think the q6600 is now my choice since it is cheaper and future proof and in stock/cheaper. now then the $189 9600 and the 8800gts which one would be the better choice. because i guess if i go with the 9600 gt i'll be happy and have money for say crysis and cod4 but will it give me the same performance.?
March 25, 2008 12:46:32 PM

The 8800GTS(512) performs better than the 9600GT. What resolution do you play at? If it's low like 1024x768 you probably will not notice a huge difference but if you play at high resolutions you'll want the better card.
March 25, 2008 1:37:01 PM

well i dont know if ill be going to higher resolutions since im on a old crt right now. i will be upgrading to a 22-24 lcd later in the year. so do you think i should get the 8800gts if i'll play at 1024x768 for now or just grab the 9600 gt i heard its like a 12% gap between the two.
March 25, 2008 3:06:02 PM

only you can decide how to use your money.
you said it yourself the 8800 gts performs better. even though you play at low resolutions crysis will benefit of having the better card and you wont have to worry when you get a new lcd. if you need to save the 40$ you could do it and not lose that much performance until you get the higher resolution either way if you get a evga card you can upgrade within 3 months
March 25, 2008 8:21:33 PM

by the way, the 8800 gts with crysis is now in stock :) 
March 26, 2008 1:31:28 AM

The 9600GT plays very well and I doubt you will be dissapointed. If you are then utilize the 90 day step up with EVGA...

That simple! ;) 
March 26, 2008 12:15:08 PM

i've got it all picked out except seem to make up my mind. it seems the e8400 gets about 10fps more in games where as the q6600 doesn't i mean it still runs the games on high with the rest of my stuff. i mean for 200 bucks the q6600 is a steal and if i do that i could buy cod 4. is there any real advantages to the e8400 over the q6600 other then havening a higher clock speed?
March 26, 2008 12:23:04 PM

It consumes less power, since it only has 2 cores. Other than what has already been stated, if you can get the q6600 for $200 than I'd get that over the e8400. The q6600 can be OC'd to 3 gHz pretty easy, if you decide latter that you need the boost.
March 26, 2008 12:24:29 PM

its cooler (as in temperature) because of 45nm. i would reccomend you to buy a cpu cooler aswell so you can oc whichever you get. i agree with lunyone get the q6600 for 200$
March 27, 2008 12:45:45 PM

ok so here are the final specs im looking at just a couple last questions
1) all these parts will work together? (i know i already aksed but jsut to make sure)
2) for getting a cooler what one is better Thermalright Ultra-120 CPU Cooling Heatsink and a Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm or ZALMAN CNPS9700 and for thermal paste im going with Arctic Silver 5.
3)should i drop the psu down to the corsair 650watt?
4) if you had to guess the fps i would get on games such as bioshock,crysis and at what settings that would be great.
5)is it worth 10 bucks more to get my case with a side air duct?
thanks

ok here is the build with links to the parts.
Thermaltake Armor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mobo GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

cpu-q6600
http://mircocenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?pro...

ram G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

hd Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

O/S Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


op drive lite on mutil burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

psu Corsair 620w SLI Modular
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-620w-sli-certified-modu...

or should i get this psu instead Corsair TX 650W http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-tx-650w-atx12v-power-su...

video card- evga 8800gts 512mb OC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


but what does this have that the one above doesnt? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total 953 with rebates.
(note thats with 2gb of ram)
thanks again for all your help if this all turns out to be well ill order Saturday.
March 27, 2008 3:34:48 PM

and then also on newegg what are those optional 1-3 year net replacement places? are they in case something goes wrong and you send it back to get a new one? are they worth it?
March 27, 2008 4:08:17 PM

It has 8 MHz more and costs $10 more. Stick with the one you've already got in your list.
March 27, 2008 4:16:58 PM

hitman24 said:

1) all these parts will work together? (i know i already aksed but jsut to make sure)
2) for getting a cooler what one is better Thermalright Ultra-120 CPU Cooling Heatsink and a Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm or ZALMAN CNPS9700 and for thermal paste im going with Arctic Silver 5.
3)should i drop the psu down to the corsair 650watt?


Yes they will all work together.

Between Thermalright and Zalman I would pick Thermalright because it has better acoustics. You can also get this cooler, it's excellent performance at lower cost:

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003

I'd get MX-2 paste rather than AS5.

I'd prefer the 620HX to the Corsair 650Watt, but both are good.

I'd get a $130 WD6400AAKS rather than a $75 WD3200AAKS. It's faster, bigger, and cheaper per GB too.
March 27, 2008 4:21:35 PM

hitman24 said:
and then also on newegg what are those optional 1-3 year net replacement places? are they in case something goes wrong and you send it back to get a new one? are they worth it?


Link please. No idea what you're talking about. If it's some sort of optional insurance sold by newegg then it's probably unnecessary. Computer parts should come with warranties from their manufacturers already.
March 27, 2008 4:59:06 PM

thanks for the info it has a box that says protect your investment. and a drop down box with like 1yr 29.99 2 yr 39.99 etc. but those are wastes right since most of the parts come with 1-lifetime warr.
March 27, 2008 6:31:46 PM

Right.

This sort of thing is very good for retailers - great profit margins on it.
March 27, 2008 9:59:28 PM

ok thanks for all your help.
March 28, 2008 11:15:10 AM

for the motherboard it says Memory Standard DDR2 1066 and my ram is ddr2 800 does that just mean that that my motherboard can handle up to ddr2 1066? and i see my ram dropped in price so ill order 4gb right away.
March 28, 2008 11:38:12 AM

The last one is the normal one, normally cheaper.
The 1st one is the OC version, better instant rebate = cheaper, get the 1st one. ( or cheaper, since you might just OC it to the same point if it goes to standard price )
March 28, 2008 11:59:54 AM

but what about the ram and motherboard?
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