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DDR2 1066 detected as DDR2 800, by bios.

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Hello,
my motherboards bios detects DDR2-PC8500 ram as DDR2-PC6400. (With FSB/Memory Ratio set to Auto)
However if I change FSB/Memory Ratio to 1:2.66, the ram frequency equals 1066 (pc8500).

Will changing the Ratio to 1:2.66 "fix the problem" and result in the ram working as it should, or will this be "considered as an overclock" and possibly causing an unstable system ?

CPUz report


Another small question:
CPU-z says "Graphic Interface = PCI-Express", does this mean my system is using PCI-Express 1.0 ?

Help appreciated. : )

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Hey,
All DDR2 speeds above DDR2-800 (pc 6400) are overclock. DDR2-800 is a standard, the rest are not. Im not aware of too many systems/bios that will autodetect above DDR2-800 speeds (Im sure some exist).

Speeds above DDR2-800 will require a RAM voltage increase to ensure stability. If your system supports changing the RAM ratio, then there is a setting to adjust the voltage. Use it or go back to DDR2-800.

By manually changing the ratio you overclocked your RAM.

Many motherboards do not allow you to overclock above DDR2-800. So if you buy faster memory - your system may not even detect it or use it. This is not your case.

CPUz - yes thats what that means.

Reply to vvhoCare5

i have the same motherboard as you do. there are some compatibility issues with this motherboard and 1066mhz memory. some work only as 800mhz but most of the time, as was with my case, the mobo automatically sets the ram at that speed and you manually have to change it. mostly likley you need to adjust your timings on the ram as well.

Reply to godless

Your memory should function at 1066. It is not an overclock. You may need to adjust the voltage (at any speed), depending on the specs of the memory. It automatically sets itself to DDR2-800 for compatibility reasons. Changing the memory speed and timings according to CPU-Z is what you might want to do. Then test the memory for errors using memtest86+, because there have been bad chips/combinations.
Graphics interface is PCI-Express. You need to know if your motherboard supports 2.0 and if your card supports 2.0. Even if 1.1 is supported by your motherboard a 2.0 card should work anyway. We still can't saturate PCI-Express 1.1.


Message edited by evongugg on 05-15-2008 at 06:10:51 PM
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Reply to evongugg

DDR2 800 is a Jedec standard. Everything higher is an overclock. Most of the DDR2 1066 is nothing more than the simplest of overclocks, that is, nothing is changed except the voltage and speed. A small number actually change some of the components, but even then, its usually just a better grade IC chip with a higher voltage applied to support the speed. A fair number of motherboards require that you manually set the BIOS to get anything higher than the standard DDR2 800 specs, so try that and see if it solves the problem.

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Reply to Sailer

Ok first question have u upgraded your bios???

Reply to chronic

I'll even had that most of the time if you buy high end memory with good timing even if it's DDR-800 you'll have to adjust the voltage and timing in the bios.

Reply to fatcat

Thanks for all the reply's. : D

It doesn't look like I can change the timings manually in bios or at least I cant find it. (MSI K9A2 Platinum)

So, what I should do is set the memory ratio to 1:2.66 and adjust the memory voltage to ??

Reply to RJ-45

the timing are in the bios under celll menu where you overclock the card. just change it from automatic to manual and then you get the ooption of adusting the exact timing. let me know if you can;t find it, i'll take some picuters and post it here.

Reply to godless

crap, i don't know how to post pictures, lol. never done it before. basically it's in the cell menu->advanced dram configuration (which is just above the fsb/memory ratio 1:2.66)
once in configuration menu select the first one and change it to both. then the timing appear and you can change them manually from auto to whatever you want.

if someone would be kind enough to let me know how to post pictures and not just internet links, ill post them here.

Reply to godless

Thanks, I found it.
And damn, that seems advanced. ; o Any suggestions to how I should configure this correctly ?

(You can post images by placing the link inside a [img][/img] tag. :)

Reply to RJ-45

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just make sure that the setting that you choose are the ones that your ram is rated for. other wise you could get bsod, if you are gonna overclock, it's goo to increase the voltage and to loosen the timings. it's more stable that way. i'd show you my timings, but i just rma'd my ram back to ocz. and all i got in is some old ddr667 ram which i use as spare.

Reply to godless

RJ-45 wrote :

Thanks, I found it.
And damn, that seems advanced. ; o Any suggestions to how I should configure this correctly ?

(You can post images by placing the link inside a [img][/img] tag. :)



I'm not familiar with the BIOS of your particular machine, so can't say too much. Generally, you can raise the ram voltage to 2.1v and that should allow you to run the ram at full speed. A couple companies recommend 2.2v, so check the specs on your ram. Increasing the CPU FSB may raise the ram speed with it to whatever you want, up to the rated ram speed of 1066. My mobo will do this when left on "Auto". But I don't know the BIOS on your board, so as I said before, I can't give you anything specific.

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Reply to Sailer

Sailer wrote :

I'm not familiar with the BIOS of your particular machine, so can't say too much. Generally, you can raise the ram voltage to 2.1v and that should allow you to run the ram at full speed. A couple companies recommend 2.2v, so check the specs on your ram. Increasing the CPU FSB may raise the ram speed with it to whatever you want, up to the rated ram speed of 1066. My mobo will do this when left on "Auto". But I don't know the BIOS on your board, so as I said before, I can't give you anything specific.



My RAM runs on 2.2V by default, will that work fine or should I increase it even further ? And will the default timing settings be ok ? I'm not really into this. :kaola:


edit:
Before I changed Memory Ratio:
http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08204/1before586.png
After:
http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08204/1after405.png

Before2:
http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08204/2before578.png
After2:
http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08204/2after361.png

Exactly what does this mean, do they still run at 800 ? O_o


Message edited by RJ-45 on 05-15-2008 at 10:25:17 PM
Reply to RJ-45

now they run a 533mhz that means at 1066. this is what you wanted. if you take a look at your timings and what the memory is rated at, you can see that there is room for improvement in timings. you can change it or leave it, the differneces will only be seen in synthetic benchmarks. so i would just leave it alone.

Reply to godless

What godless said. The 533mhz doubles for 1066, which is exactly what you want. :sol: I would leave it alone at this point, as raising the voltage any higher than 2.2v is looking for trouble as the temps will start to rise very fast.

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Reply to Sailer

Okay, thanks.
What improvement should I expect from going from 800 to 1066 ? I was told the ram should improve by ~20%, but when I benchmark the ram before and after I almost get no increase at all (1-2mb/s read/write increase) and in 3Dmark I get 100 points more. I also tried changing the timings to default, but I still get about the same result. (Cpu-z info)

Reply to RJ-45

you won't get a huge improvement. memory speed is not all that important in amd systems. most of the difference will be visible in some synthetic benchmarks, not in real usage.

Reply to godless
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