Soo the new 9800 series is out an i use the term "NEW" loosely. My question is, when is nvidia going to make a Dx 10.1 card??? Im looking to buy a new card some time in the next 2 months, but i want a Dx10.1 card and i dont want to deal with ati drivers anymore. To me it doesnt make sense to buy any of the current nvidia cards right now that isnt dx 10.1 when dx 10.1 is coming out soon and current crop doesnt support it.
With Dx10 hardly utilized I don't think that it really matter accept for marketing purposes. Also the 10.1 cards out there are far less effective so it's even more pointless at the moment. Right now and for this generation of cards it's just hype. There is still no single card that delivers the performance that is required to run games at high-end resolution of 1900x1200 which needs to average at least 60fps. Even at 20"-22" resolutions this isn't possible and until one or both or them can there is nothing to get worked up about.
^ agreed. most dx10 games are all patched dx9 games currently. once true dx10 games come out than r700 and possibly gt200 (or whatever nvidia calls it) will already be out.
If you don't want an Ati card and you don't want to get a DX10 nvidia card, then you should look into one of these puppies right here. PCI-E 2.0, full DX10.1 support, and very energy efficient (If you need more performance you always add a second for Multi-Chrome Technology!)
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i think nvidia and ms already said that dx10.1 will be directly backwards-compatible with dx10. all dx10.1 will do is force the "free" 4x aa
It doesn't force 'Free 4XAA", it forces card makers to support 4XAA (hey guess what both ATi and nV already support at least 8XAA with their current lineup).
And of course DX10.1 is backwards compatible with DX10, since DX10.1 is a superset, however that still means that DX10 cards still can't use DX10.1 features if called for, so if ever there is a DX10.1 minimum spec title (not likely anytime soon) then the DX10 cards won't be able to run them in hardware.
All in all not a big concern, wouldn't buy a DX10.1 compliant HD3400 over a GF8800GTS just for that.
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There's been alot of confusion over it. I also don't see how it could be "free" anyway.
Alot of people are pulling this from the X360's Xenos GPU. It offloads the framebuffer to 10mb of EDRAM that's setup as a GPU daughterchip. The EDRAM controller can antialias the frame while it's being stored off the GPU. Hence, "Free" 4xAA - no performance hit because the main part is never impacted. My 8800GT has seemingly free 8xAA in everything but crysis and EQ2.
Alot of people are pulling this from the X360's Xenos GPU. It offloads the framebuffer to 10mb of EDRAM that's setup as a GPU daughterchip. The EDRAM controller can antialias the frame while it's being stored off the GPU. Hence, "Free" 4xAA - no performance hit because the main part is never impacted. My 8800GT has seemingly free 8xAA in everything but crysis and EQ2.
Try Colin Mcrae dirt. You won't get free 8xAA in that if you turn the settings to ultra.
Well i was considering getting a 8800GTS 512mb oc, but then when i placed an order for it the store called me up and told me they were sold out and it was discontinued and they wouldnt be getting any more(which sucks). And it got me to thinking about dx10.1 since what ever card i get im not going to upgrade again for atleast 2 years. But i guess since dx10.1 support doesnt matter ill go with something else from nvidia. The store im ordering from suggested i go with the 9800 GTX cause it was only $40 more. But i have heard some mixed reviews on this. I have heard it is only slightly faster than the 8800GTS 512 but way louder. so kinda stumped right now on what to get.
What is the big deal about about 10.1 anyway is there that much of a difference. The 10.1 from what I heard hasn't made want to to switch to ATI yet. Go nVidia!!
Message edited by Crazywheels on 04-08-2008 at 11:55:14 PM
If i am not mistaken, I read somewhere DX10.1 has to do with tessellation(don't know how to spell it) and the reason AMD has support for it is because their cards has a tessellation unit on it when they created the 2900xt. so it was just a small modification to complete the compliance with DX10.1. Also, I believe tessellation, if utilize correctly, could provide much better graphics with a much lower demand on graphics card power.
If you don't want an Ati card and you don't want to get a DX10 nvidia card, then you should look into one of these puppies right here. PCI-E 2.0, full DX10.1 support, and very energy efficient (If you need more performance you always add a second for Multi-Chrome Technology!)
"Gamers shouldn't fret too much - 10.1 adds virtually nothing that they will care about and, more to the point, adds almost nothing that developers are likely to care about. The spec revision basically makes a number of things that are optional in DX10 compulsory under the new standard - such as 32-bit floating point filtering, as opposed to the 16-bit current. 4xAA is a compulsory standard to support in 10.1, whereas graphics vendors can pick and choose their anti-aliasing support currently. We suspect that the spec is likely to be ill-received. Not only does it require brand new hardware, immediately creating a minuscule sub-set of DX10 owners, but it also requires Vista SP1, and also requires developer implementation."
