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1950 XT vs 8800 GS (384mb)

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April 7, 2008 5:48:58 AM

I am currently running 1950 XT in my rig...which runs all my games flawlesly, but i have a chance to upgrade to 8800GS, not sure if its even an upgrade. What do you guys think...which one is better benchmark wise?

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a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 6:04:07 AM

The only thing Id be concerned about with this card, the GS, is to make sure youre getting the faster ram. Whats the ram specced at?
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 6:10:32 AM

Id go for the GS, just make sure the ram is clocked at 1600Ghz
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April 7, 2008 6:13:14 AM

i got 2gigs of pc6400..which im sure is running its highest in BIOS...if 8800GS not gona make a huge difference in my FPS..then ill stay with my 1950xt. Since I still play some oldschool games and running XP, i wont experience dx10 just yet
April 7, 2008 6:27:23 AM

20-80% faster depending on game. Usually older games tend to be the least difference while the new ones are more dramatic difference.

EVGA 8800gs comes with 1ns memory chips. They are good for 2000mhz DDR and can usually clock higher.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 6:32:53 AM

There ya go. Good upgrade
a c 171 U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 7:50:51 AM

John, I wouldn't think 200MHz on the memory speed would make that much of a difference. Got any links showing it? What I mean is I find it hard to believe that 1400MHz ram makes it slower then the x1950XT, while 1600MHz ram would make it faster. Usually when the difference is that small, it doesn't make much difference.

I do agree with the assessment. Older games there probably isn't much difference in performance. Newer games however probably favor the 8800GS. I doubt its a large difference. If you assume that the 8800GS is equal in performance with the 8800GTS 320MB, look at these games.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

At an LCD res and Doom3, the cards are almost the same. Both are above 60FPS, I doubt anyone could see the 10FPS difference.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

In MS Flight Sim X, the 8800GTS is one of the few cards that could break 22FPS. The x1950XT could do just over 15. Depending on the settings and the game, this might not be worth it.
April 7, 2008 8:49:50 AM

4745454b said:
John, I wouldn't think 200MHz on the memory speed would make that much of a difference. Got any links showing it? What I mean is I find it hard to believe that 1400MHz ram makes it slower then the x1950XT, while 1600MHz ram would make it faster. Usually when the difference is that small, it doesn't make much difference.

I do agree with the assessment. Older games there probably isn't much difference in performance. Newer games however probably favor the 8800GS. I doubt its a large difference. If you assume that the 8800GS is equal in performance with the 8800GTS 320MB, look at these games.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

At an LCD res and Doom3, the cards are almost the same. Both are above 60FPS, I doubt anyone could see the 10FPS difference.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

In MS Flight Sim X, the 8800GTS is one of the few cards that could break 22FPS. The x1950XT could do just over 15. Depending on the settings and the game, this might not be worth it.


It's better to get the evga 8800gs with 1 ns vram rated for 1000mhz. XFX has 1.4 ns vram rated @ 700mhz. Not to mention the quieter fan on the EVGA model.

Tom's charts? :heink: 

It is almost 2 years old and some cards haven't updated when the charts were first made.

When you are testing games like doom 3 it is testing fillrate and memory bandwidth and cpu bottleneck mostly with these new cards.

MS Flight SimX just don't perform or scale properly.

Try games like COD4, bioshock, unreal 3, crysis, or any of the newer games and it will be whole lot faster.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 3:40:35 PM

I upgraded from X1950XT to 8800GTS 320MB. There is a difference for sure, but results vary depending on the game, resolution, and system specs. I was using a single core FX-55. So in Oblivion my results around a town were cpu limited and basically the same. Out in the GPU demanding foliage, the GTS managed 30% or higher gains. Overall for 1680x1050 gaming yes it was worth the upgrade.

I now also own an 8800GS (price was too good to pass on) and while I have not yet pitted it against the X1950XT directly(will soon), I'd say for about $100 yes it is a worth while upgrade assuming you have a dual core CPU in the system. If you are on a single core CPU I'd put the money tward a CPU/system upgrade.
a c 171 U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 6:47:14 PM

The 8800GS is faster then the 8800GTS 320MB? I would think GTS > GS, but then you should know what I think of Nvidia's naming scheme. I would have thought them to be at best equals.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 7:28:19 PM

Like Marvelous211 said, the slower memory really handicaps these cards. I think XFX was making the slower memory cards, if I remember correctly
April 7, 2008 7:30:43 PM

The GS no questions asked:) 
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 8:53:05 PM

4745454b said:
The 8800GS is faster then the 8800GTS 320MB? I would think GTS > GS, but then you should know what I think of Nvidia's naming scheme. I would have thought them to be at best equals.

Depends on the clock speeds, and probably games and resolution too. If we assume evga's 550/1600 as a reference clock for the 8800GS, I think the GTS 320MB may beat the GS possibly more often than not depending on the resolution. But Probably very close and trading blows....which I hope to examine soon.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 9:01:41 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Like Marvelous211 said, the slower memory really handicaps these cards. I think XFX was making the slower memory cards, if I remember correctly

XFX has 580/1400 and 680/1600 clocks, where evga has 550/1600 and 650/1900. Four version on the egg with totally different clocks. If we talk stock clocks, the XFX 30MHz more core may help it compete well with the evga and 100(200 effective) mem clock advantage. But if the mem chips are different, then OC'ed we could be far apart. I'll have to check the memory on mine to see what chips they have. I have the 580/1400 XFX and the 650/1900 evga(which by marvelous's OC results is identical to his 550/1600 version apart from factory clocks). XFX may use different mem on their two versions.

Side note; Fudzilla tested and called 550/1600 reference clocks for the 8800GS. I'm not convinced there is a reference GS clock speed. :) 
a c 171 U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 9:16:22 PM

If you get to do any testing paul, I'd love to know the results. As I've said in my rant, Nvidia's naming scheme is so broken right now that I have no idea what cards are faster. When I saw the 8800GS, I ASSUMEd that it would be slower then the 8800GTS 320/640, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised to learn otherwise.
April 7, 2008 9:38:39 PM

Oh DON'T BRING THAT IN HERE TOOO, give it a rest, jesus, Do you like Post transferring?
My lord.

Your alot better off with the 8800 GS, Since its either the same or better than the 8800 GTS 320 (G80), and the 8800 GTS 320 (G80) scored higher on the benchmarks.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 10:06:36 PM

Yup, will do. The naming is a mess but doesn't bother me. I welcome any new card that offers alot for the money, no matter what they call it. But I better not expand on that ^ ;) 
a c 171 U Graphics card
April 7, 2008 11:16:20 PM

Yeah, line number 2 of my sig is quickly coming into play. Best to ignore the little forum noobs and let them feel like they accomplished something.
April 7, 2008 11:21:18 PM

4745454b said:
The 8800GS is faster then the 8800GTS 320MB? I would think GTS > GS, but then you should know what I think of Nvidia's naming scheme. I would have thought them to be at best equals.


http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/02/g80-vs-g92-hi-end-ge...

Having a faster core and shader makes it faster in the raw performance dept. Having more memory bandwidth is slower with AA situations. Having more vram makes games run smoother in higher resolutions and AA.

Like this..

8800gs>8800gts 320 Raw performance
8800gs<8800gts 320 AA only when it has enough vram to compensate

Currently Crysis and WIC eats up more vram than 8800gts 320vram even at 1280x1024 resolution.
April 7, 2008 11:33:34 PM

That is a weird review, I never saw a 9600 GT 256 and G94???:S
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