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April 26, 2008 4:37:50 AM

I am seeking to build one of the last Windows machines that I will ever own. Since I am using an ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder (AGP) to capture the odd video, I require Windows XP 32-bit.

I don’t like wasting my money. If I purchase a 64-bit system, I want a 64-bit OS on it. As such, I am asking the forum members for some advice on choosing the right 32-bit hardware for this “legacy machine”

I am seeking the fastest dual-core, 32-bit processor out there. Not necessarily in Ghz, but in sheer power. This processor can be either AMD or Intel (it will probably be Intel… shame, since I am an AMD stalwart), but it must be a pure 32-bit processor. Additionally, I am going to need to have it support SSE2 (therefore, probably Intel), and SSE3 would be nice, but not overly necessary.

My problem is, while Wikipedia has a very nice breakdown of Intel processors that would fit my needs, these descriptions don’t exactly provide an easy way of spotting the appropriate processors on Ebay and other sites. While I could make guesses, I really don’t want to gamble with my money. Hence, my appeal to you people for some help.

From what I gather, the Pentium 4 EE, 4E and 4F classes of processors were the last of the 32-bit dual-cores. What I am asking for is whether I am on the right track with these processors, and what to look for (on Ebay, etc.) when shopping for my item.

I could also use some suggestions for Motherboards, if at all possible. If there is a consensus about which processor would be the best match, could someone also pipe in on some Motherboard suggestions? One of the minor reasons why I am an AMD fan is because there is rarely any ambiguity as to what AMD processor would work in each motherboard (a socket 939 mobo could run any socket 939 chip), whereas Intel had a very confusing series of “generations” within each socket design that made it very hard to determine which board could run which processor (what processors can run on an LGA775 board? -- it depends!!).

I also once saw a dual-socket Intel mobo that could take two dual-core 32-bit chips. I can’t remember any details, aside from it being a dual-socket, dual-core 32-bit architecture. Does anyone know the board I am talking about, or was I just hallucinating?
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April 26, 2008 5:03:06 AM

This makes no sense, Why in the world do you need a true 32bit cpu? If you where to do what you actually said you wanted to do. You would be just wasting money. Which is also something that baffles me. Get a cheap AMD x2 or intel pentium dual core(allendale) or a lower end cd2. But then you said you wanted the fastest 32bit dual core possible so im stumped.
April 26, 2008 5:10:11 AM

Can you explain why you need a 32bit only chip? Modern processors can run both in 32bit and 64bit, and are much faster than any P4.

Anyway, to answer your question, the P4 Northwood and Athlon XPs were the last generation of CPUs that were 32bit only, and both are terribly outdated by todays standards. You'll most likely only find them 2nd hand, since they have long been discontinued from retail sale.
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April 26, 2008 5:12:36 AM

In sheer power, any CPU that is only 32-bit will get it's ass handed to it by a native 32-bit CPU that can also process 64-bit instructions. Why? Because they are so damn old. A 64-bit CPU (provided it isn't an Itanium or similar) is just as capable, usually more capable, of processing 32-bit data than a "pure" 32-bit CPU. But it's your money and by buying what you are after you really are gambling it...

EDIT: Typo.
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April 26, 2008 5:15:06 AM

All Athlon X2's and Pentium D's/EE's (The Pentium 4's are single core) are 64-bit. In fact, since 2006, all CPU's have been 64-bit. You're wasting your money to build a system around a 32-bit CPU period considering you'll buy them used and from non-reliable sources. I don't know why you're so stuck on this crazy idea, but XP runs the same on a 64-bit CPU as it does on a 32-bit CPU. You're better off spending the money on new hardware since, as you said, this is the last Windows machine you want to build.
April 26, 2008 5:48:30 AM

pure 32bit CPU, why? :) ) I have an AGP video adaptor but can use a PCIE vga, I can use DDR or DDR2 memory, I have some old wd 120gb and maxtor 160gb ata but can use SATA2 hdd, and I can capture 768x576 full height PAL (interlaced) with no dropped frames with my tv tunner and with less than 10% CPU usage. Hell, I even tested an old TI4600 AGP card with vivo and I get the same performance, as for capturing you mostly need a fast drive (all 7200rpm).
Pentium dualcore E2180 + Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 for under 90euros. I believe that something like this is the best solution as you can reuse the old hardware that you have (VGA, HDD, MEM).
April 26, 2008 5:51:33 AM

The last pure 32-bit CPUs were the early intel P4's and the AMD K7's(and the short-lived Core Duo that showed up in some laptops between the P4 and the Core 2 Duo). And to be quite blunt, you would have to be pure bat-s**t insane to purposely want to hunt down (and probably pay a premium for) one of those. You could very easily build a PC using modern 64-bit capable CPU's for very little money. Just because a CPU is 64-bit capable does not mean that it is not able to run 32-bit processes as fast or faster than a pure 32-bit CPU, as pretty much all of them are. If you take any 32-bit P4 or K7 and stack it up against a modern CPU such as the Core2 Duo or the Athlon 64 X2, it will get its ass handed to it in even running 32-bit apps.
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April 26, 2008 6:03:49 AM

You have a lot of mixed up info in your post.

There has never, ever been a dual core "pure 32-bit" CPU. Dual Core CPUs are all 32-bit/64-bit hybrids meaning they are capable of running a 32-bit OS and a 64-bit OS.

My Intel Core 2 Duo when clocked at a mere 1.6GHz, can run rings around my Athlon XP running at 2.4GHz in any 32-bit application including video encoding.

The Athlon 64 CPUs (64-bit capable) were first introduced in 2003. If I am not mistaken, Intel released their first 64-bit capable CPU back in 2005 (late 2004?); the Pentium 4 "Prescott".

If you really insist on buy obsolete technology then be my guest. But you will be wasting your money.
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April 26, 2008 6:05:33 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Core Duos being 32-bit.

April 26, 2008 6:27:45 AM

Wikipedia isn't the best place to do research. You can get a good overview of some stuff, but I wouldn't make any conclusions based on information from wikipedia.

I was where you are now a couple of years ago. I paid about 400$ for a AMD clawhammer because when I thought it sounded cool. These guys are pretty tough on people who are learning.

Don't worry about the 64bit thing, it really isn't important right now for you.

Stay away from 939 boards since DDR memory is so expensive. AM2 boards can run a Athlon 4000 X2 and DDR2 memory. You can get 2Gigs of DDR2 for like 25 bucks now. DDR2 is much better ram also.

Just make sure that you get a motherboard with an AGP slot if your maine concern is the ATI card.

Computer technology is the epitome of supply and demand economics. Bleeding edge technology is expensive and so is legacy technology. The stuff that is a year old is really good hardware and it is inexpensive because there is so much of it.

Good luck and try to ignore the nerd rage in some replies. There are some really helpful guys on this forum.
April 26, 2008 6:45:45 AM

Thanks for all your opinions so far, but the point is, I’m not going to waste a 64-bit CPU on a 32-bit OS.

Since my video card is the ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder (AGP), and since AMD only provides the extended programs (TV, capture software, etc.) for Windows 32-bit, I need Windows XP 32-bit but I really don’t want to waste a 64-bit CPU on a 32-bit OS. Call me crazy, but that’s my primary intention with this whole post.

Hence my desire to go with an older 32-bit CPU, but with all capable possibilities (SSE2, dual-core, hyperthreading). All I need is some information on how to easily identify the highest-end 32-bit dual-core processors ever released.

I have done more research. It appears that the P4EE, P4E and P4F processors were all 32-bit only when they first came out. About halfway through their run (after they became dual-core hyperthreading), they were all given 64-bit instructions.

I just don’t know how to identify those particular processors that were the last of the 32-bit class. Recommendations?
April 26, 2008 7:02:25 AM

You will pay more money for a system based on a 32-bit processor. You can get a 64 bit processor (that also runs 32 bit code perfectly) for about 50$. Ram 25$ and a motherboard for about 50$.

If you have all the other components, that's very inexpensive. There is no way you'd be able to buy a 32-bit system for that price.
April 26, 2008 7:11:58 AM

rickpatbrown said:
You will pay more money for a system based on a 32-bit processor. You can get a 64 bit processor (that also runs 32 bit code perfectly) for about 50$. Ram 25$ and a motherboard for about 50$.

If you have all the other components, that's very inexpensive. There is no way you'd be able to buy a 32-bit system for that price.


And will that run my AGP-based ATI All-In-Wonder? Or will it be one of those new-fangled PCI-e motherboards where I am FORCED to go out and purchase another ATI All-In-Wonder for $$$$$$$$$$$.

I am very pleased with the performance and capabilities of my current AGP video card. I do not need to be forced to spend hundreds of dollars on a new PCI-e All-In-Wonder. Any savings in the hardware profile you provided is more than wasted on what I would have to pay on a new All-In-Wonder.

Once again, my requirements:
  • AGP 8x capabilities
  • SSE2
  • dual-core
  • hyperthreading
  • SSE3 desirable (but not required)
  • dual-socket desirable (for 4-way, but not required)
  • 32-bit OS required for All-In-Wonder
  • 3Gb RAM capable (dual channel desirable)

    The obvious solution, since I am not interested in wasting a 64-bit processor on a 32-bit OS, is a high-end 32-bit CPU.
    April 26, 2008 7:21:20 AM

    You don't know about newegg yet do you? Be careful. You are about to tread into the dangerous world of plentiful, affordable computer parts. This site started my obsession.

    The important thing is to get a board that supports DDR2 memory since it is so affordable now. Here are some based on AMD. You could get intel boards if that's your fancy.

    Make sure you post a list of components before you purchase them so people can give you feedback as to compatability and maybe some pointers as to pricing.

    Post in the VGA section as to specifics with your AGP card.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200022+1070921489+1073407577&name=1+x+AGP+4X+%2f+8X
    April 26, 2008 7:26:37 AM

    rickpatbrown said:
    You don't know about newegg yet do you? Be careful. You are about to tread into the dangerous world of plentiful, affordable computer parts. This site started my obsession.

    The important thing is to get a board that supports DDR2 memory since it is so affordable now. Here are some based on AMD. You could get intel boards if that's your fancy.

    Make sure you post a list of components before you purchase them so people can give you feedback as to compatability and maybe some pointers as to pricing.

    Post in the VGA section as to specifics with your AGP card.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200022+1070921489+1073407577&name=1+x+AGP+4X+%2f+8X



    You don’t know about Newegg’s International shipping policies, do you? Be careful if you aren’t some badly-educated, provincial Yank who thinks that 100% of all people on the Internet come from the ol’ US of A and that the world revolves around America.

    The cheapest thing we have up here is TigerDirect.ca. And the only thing they carry with an AGP 8x port is a Socket A board. Problem is, Athlon 32-bit processors cannot do SSE2, which is what I require. Nor are they hyperthreading, and nor are they dual-core (although the MP processors allow a system to be dual-processor).

    I have done a reasonable amount of my own homework. Thing is, I am just not familiar with Intel chips, since they have always required a Master’s degree in mysticism and divination to figure out which chip goes with which board. And the only chips which fit my requirements are Intel chips.
    April 26, 2008 7:26:59 AM

    Then get a hybrid AGP/PCI-E board, Asrock makes a couple, one even supports quad cores!

    http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=775Dual-vst...
    http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-S...

    There is NO 32bit only CPU that meets your criteria, the 'newest' 32bit only CPU was released way back in 2002. If you want a dinosaur CPU, be my guest, but if you came here for advice at least have the courtesty of acknowledging it instead of being so damn obnoxious.

    I'll repeat what everyone else has said - there is NO reason whatsoever not to consider current CPUs that support both 32bit *and* 64bit, you are not 'wasting' it by running it in 32bit mode, get it?!
    April 26, 2008 7:29:58 AM

    Yes they still have a few duo core AGP motherboards. Some even have on board video.
    April 26, 2008 7:31:36 AM

    Don't mess with dual sockets (two dual core CPUs on one board). They are more for server solutions. You could get a quad core CPU and MB that is much more reasonable.

    The newer intel CPUs don't have hyperthreading but are much more efficient. I think intel is going to bring it back with Nehalem.

    I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a chip that doesn't support sse3.

    All 32 bit systems are capable of 3G memory. 4 gig is the limit and this is one of the most convincing reasons to go 64bit. Graphics memory counts towards total system memory. If you have a card with 512MB videoram and 2 Gig DDram, total is 2.5Gs. If you purchased another 2 Gs ram, the system would only recognize 1.5 of it.

    Now, if you want eight cores, there's only one thing for that. Search for skulltrail if you want to read something interesting.
    April 26, 2008 7:36:28 AM

    Quote:
    Be careful if you aren’t some badly-educated, provincial Yank who thinks that 100% of all people on the Internet come from the ol’ US of A and that the world revolves around America.

    Sad to say, but the world does revolve around America. Look at the food shortages around the world as a result of biofuel production.

    Don't worry, I was on top of the whole Kelowna thing right from the jump. Looks pretty nice. Do you fish much up there?
    April 26, 2008 7:47:40 AM

    I understand that you probably cant buy anything from newegg based on where you are, but you can still use it as an ad-hoc research tool. below are all the mobos they have that support AGP using the latest crop of CPUs:

    AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&Subcategory=22&Description=&Type=&N=2010200022&srchInDesc=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&PropertyCodeValue=734%3A7577

    Intel: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&Subcategory=280&Description=&Type=&N=2010200280&srchInDesc=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&PropertyCodeValue=734%3A7577

    newegg will show you what processors are supported and give you the product names that should assist in hunting down these boards using local retailers. if you cant find them, you can try checking out ebay for boards with socket 939 nforce3 or nforce4, I beleive those were the last ones that nvidia made with AGP support, I dont know about intel chipsets that did AGP, but since you'd probably be stuck with a P4 system if you want AGP and your looking at ebay, I doubt it would be worth it. personally, given the relatively low price of TV tuner cards, I'd be tempted to pony up for a PCI based TV tuner($30-50 USD on newegg) and get a system based off more current hardware, but that would depend on you budget, which you haven't told us.
    April 26, 2008 7:52:08 AM

    epsilon84 said:
    Then get a hybrid AGP/PCI-E board, Asrock makes a couple, one even supports quad cores!

    http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=775Dual-vst...
    http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-S...

    Oooo… Frankenstein Mobo’s!

    Sorry, but support for both DDR & DDRII (which limits the system to 2Gb, not desirable!) is just freaky.

    epsilon84 said:

    There is NO 32bit only CPU that meets your criteria, the 'newest' 32bit only CPU was released way back in 2002.


    Intel Core Duo. Dual-core. SSE2 & SSE3. Hyperthreading. 32-bit only. Released starting in 2006.

    Only problem is, it uses the Socket M system. I have yet to see that in a desktop board with an AGP slot and several PCI slots.

    epsilon84 said:
    If you want a dinosaur CPU, be my guest, but if you came here for advice at least have the courtesy of acknowledging it instead of being so damn obnoxious.


    You’re the one being obnoxious by telling me what I do and don’t need, and that I am ‘dumb’ to want a pure 32-bit processor.

    I have my own reasons for choosing what I want to run. All I am looking for is more detailed information. If you can’t help me meet my objective, why even bother responding???
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    April 26, 2008 8:02:42 AM

    rekabis said:
    And will that run my AGP-based ATI All-In-Wonder? Or will it be one of those new-fangled PCI-e motherboards where I am FORCED to go out and purchase another ATI All-In-Wonder for $$$$$$$$$$$.

    I am very pleased with the performance and capabilities of my current AGP video card. I do not need to be forced to spend hundreds of dollars on a new PCI-e All-In-Wonder. Any savings in the hardware profile you provided is more than wasted on what I would have to pay on a new All-In-Wonder.

    Once again, my requirements:
  • AGP 8x capabilities
  • SSE2
  • dual-core
  • hyperthreading
  • SSE3 desirable (but not required)
  • dual-socket desirable (for 4-way, but not required)
  • 32-bit OS required for All-In-Wonder
  • 3Gb RAM capable (dual channel desirable)

    The obvious solution, since I am not interested in wasting a 64-bit processor on a 32-bit OS, is a high-end 32-bit CPU.


  • dual core, and hyper threading?

    ummmmmmmm cpus are still as far as im aware 32 bit with 64 bit extensions allowing 4+ gb of memory (AMD64/EMT64), why bother with all that for an old card? buy a cheap tv cap. card!

    or as the last poster said, hybrid board with agp and pcie etc
    April 26, 2008 8:07:10 AM

    Dude, where can I get a pwning dullbozer? I'm all over it.
    April 26, 2008 8:22:30 AM

    why exactly are you looking for a board that has 4 rams slots, a 32-bit OS will use, at best 3.5GB, probably closer to 3, possibly less than 3 depending on the total setup. if you drop the 4 ram slot requirement your board is right here:

    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2896653&body=MAIN#detailspecs

    and stop with the getting pissy when someone posts a .com link, we aren't going to do all the research on where to buy for you, we're just going to give you some product names to look for. If your unwilling to do some looking on your own once we have given you some products to look for, then don't expect us to look for you.

    EDIT - I didnt notice that board was limited to 2GB, but that should be more than enough for XP, cause you aren't going to get any games that would need more than 2GB to run on an AGP all in wonder
    April 26, 2008 8:25:43 AM

    I'm not sure, but could two slots support ram sticks with 2G density each. 2x2 would be 4 (just for clarity, not insulting your computational skills). You could check the motherboards website.

    More importantly, I'm not sure if 3g of ram is necessary for you.

    What do you plan on doing with this computer?
    April 26, 2008 8:28:13 AM

    I don't think he is getting pissy. I think he just doesn't know that capitalization is like yelling. STOP USING CAPITAL LETTERS !
    April 26, 2008 8:33:58 AM

    and then there is the problem that he wants a board that I dont think exists(at least not among currently built boards). now that I look at it, newegg doesnt have any AGP boards that can do more than 2GB, which means the likelyhood of a site having a board that can do 3GB w/agp and ships to Canada is extremely low.
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    April 26, 2008 8:34:59 AM

    Quote:
    Sad to say, but the world does revolve around America.

    It might be sad to say, but even sadder to have heard it said.

    Quote:
    Look at the food shortages around the world as a result of biofuel production.

    Only two nights ago I listened to an American corn grower (in Ohio, I think) telling a news reporter all the corn sold now for biofuels in the USA is really what would have been excess before the ethanol legislation was passed. Cut to footage of food riots in various countries...

    Quote:
    Be careful if you aren’t some badly-educated, provincial Yank who thinks that 100% of all people on the Internet come from the ol’ US of A and that the world revolves around America.

    Touché! I found that just plain funny.

    Quote:
    Dude, where can I get a pwning dullbozer? I'm all over it.

    Indeed. You can only help so many...
    April 26, 2008 8:35:10 AM

    I don't mean to be mean, but you aren't really that bright. Or more likely just misinformed.

    There is no such thing as "wasting a 64bit processor on 32bit software". People have been using 64 bit capable cpus with 32 bit software for a long time, and it in no way "wastes" the cpu power.

    And even if it did, why would it matter? The only thing to really consider in your situation is performance, and price to performance ratio. By going with 32 bit only cpu, you will end up paying more and getting less performance, so a really bad price to performance ratio.

    It's like if you have ddr2 ram. And you want to get a motherboard that only has slots for ddr2 ram, and not ddr3, because you don't want to "waste" the motherboard. You aren't wasting it, it just has extra features that you won't use. And also, what if the only ddr2 motherboard both cost more, and gave you less stability or performance or whatever? It just makes sense to go with the faster, cheaper option.

    And even so, what you are asking is impossible. Well, maybe not. But I've been looking at tigerdirect.ca and ncix.com and I can't find any motherboards that can support up to 3gb of ram and also have agp. So your requirement of a 32 bit only processor doesn't even matter if you can't find a motherboard to do what you want.
    April 26, 2008 8:46:16 AM

    Quote:
    Only two nights ago I listened to an American corn grower (in Ohio, I think) telling a news reporter all the corn sold now for biofuels in the USA is really what would have been excess before the ethanol legislation was passed. Cut to footage of food riots in various countries...


    Excess ? I don't know if it's worse if he is lying or telling the truth. I guess we can take comfort in the fact that he probably doesn't know.
    April 26, 2008 8:49:07 AM

    rekabis said:
    Thanks for all your opinions so far, but the point is, I’m not going to waste a 64-bit CPU on a 32-bit OS.

    Since my video card is the ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder (AGP), and since AMD only provides the extended programs (TV, capture software, etc.) for Windows 32-bit, I need Windows XP 32-bit but I really don’t want to waste a 64-bit CPU on a 32-bit OS. Call me crazy, but that’s my primary intention with this whole post.

    Hence my desire to go with an older 32-bit CPU, but with all capable possibilities (SSE2, dual-core, hyperthreading). All I need is some information on how to easily identify the highest-end 32-bit dual-core processors ever released.

    I have done more research. It appears that the P4EE, P4E and P4F processors were all 32-bit only when they first came out. About halfway through their run (after they became dual-core hyperthreading), they were all given 64-bit instructions.

    I just don’t know how to identify those particular processors that were the last of the 32-bit class. Recommendations?


    Repeat after me: Unless you are getting a Unix server (Sun, PowerPc, HP, Itanium, etc) there is NO 64 bit cpu available. All current x86 processors are 32 bit with 64 bit extensions. Whether you get an OS that is capable of taking advantage of them is up to you, but they are all NATIVE 32 bit processors.

    Your real issue is finding a good, legacy AGP board that has some foture left.
    April 26, 2008 8:52:14 AM

    Bottom line...

    Your going to spend MORE money looking for this legacy CRAP than you will just replacing that old piece of **** video card that your so fond of.
    April 26, 2008 9:03:37 AM

    They have internet in other countries?
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    April 26, 2008 9:20:42 AM

    I had one of the asock boards, DDR and DDR2 support, worked perfectly fine, very cheap, and the AGP + PCI-e solution gave me a nice gentle upgrade path. Ran a C2D E6600, was great a massive improvement over my XP3200+ single core, there was no dual for version, and following that the 64bit marketing hype kicked into overdrive. Marketing Hype being the important phrase in that sentence, yes the CPU's were much better in general, but the 64bit'ness of them was not a major contributing factor, but it was something the guys in teflon suits could shout about.

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    April 26, 2008 9:58:44 AM

    rekabis said:
    Thanks for all your opinions so far, but the point is, I’m not going to waste a 64-bit CPU on a 32-bit OS.

    Since my video card is the ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder (AGP), and since AMD only provides the extended programs (TV, capture software, etc.) for Windows 32-bit, I need Windows XP 32-bit but I really don’t want to waste a 64-bit CPU on a 32-bit OS. Call me crazy, but that’s my primary intention with this whole post.

    Hence my desire to go with an older 32-bit CPU, but with all capable possibilities (SSE2, dual-core, hyperthreading). All I need is some information on how to easily identify the highest-end 32-bit dual-core processors ever released.

    I have done more research. It appears that the P4EE, P4E and P4F processors were all 32-bit only when they first came out. About halfway through their run (after they became dual-core hyperthreading), they were all given 64-bit instructions.

    I just don’t know how to identify those particular processors that were the last of the 32-bit class. Recommendations?


    FFS do some research on the difference between dual core, hyperthreading, 32 bit vs 64 bit (IA32/64, AMD64) SSE2/3, TV capture cards and the reason not to buy obsolete systems or components!

    Ignorant fool.

    let me point you in the right direction:

    hyperthreading = FAKE dual core - tricking the os into thinking theres two processors, unique to the P4's (3.06 b class and above)

    dual core = TWO PHYSICAL CORES, or two real processors within the same package

    cpus with "dual core" AND "hyperthreading" - some of the Pentium Extreme Editions had 4 threads total (two cores, each with two threads making the 4 usable threads total)


    SSE2/3 etc - A crappy celeron D 2.4 has SSE3 and is slower then a Pentium 4 2.4b (without SSE3) at video encoding, so why is SSE3 so important?

    dual sockets - Xeon only there for you, making the system price jump, and giving you maybe two cores, which even todays dual core celerons will eat it alive

    "64 bit" - all x86 cpus today are deep down true 32 bit cpus and will work with 32 bit os's (windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, xp, NT, 2003, vista. the 64 bit means it has extended instruction sets to allow a fake 64 bit, which mainly allows you to address more then the usual 4gb limit, HAVING A 64 BIT CPU AND OS DOESNT MAKE YOUR SYSTEM ANY FASTER THEN A 32 BIT

    if you buy all this outdated rubbish just so you keep your old video card and the video card dies, what do you do then with an obsolete and rubbish system?

    do your self a favour and buy your self a system based on an E2180, it will be 10x better then what your thinking, and buy a cheap capture card for hd video.

    READ UP ON THINGS BEFORE YOU HAVE A GO AT PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP YOU.
    April 26, 2008 10:27:51 AM

    apache_lives said:

    READ UP ON THINGS BEFORE YOU HAVE A GO AT PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP YOU.


    word
    April 26, 2008 8:00:31 PM

    apache_lives said:
    READ UP ON THINGS BEFORE YOU HAVE A GO AT PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP YOU.


    Believe it or not, but there is a difference between advice and opinion.

    Opinion is telling someone what they should be doing. Advice is actually answering their original question.

    Care to give some “advice” instead of “opinion”??
    April 26, 2008 8:15:19 PM

    wiki it
    April 26, 2008 8:24:12 PM

    jaguarskx said:
    You have a lot of mixed up info in your post.

    There has never, ever been a dual core "pure 32-bit" CPU. Dual Core CPUs are all 32-bit/64-bit hybrids meaning they are capable of running a 32-bit OS and a 64-bit OS.

    My Intel Core 2 Duo when clocked at a mere 1.6GHz, can run rings around my Athlon XP running at 2.4GHz in any 32-bit application including video encoding.

    The Athlon 64 CPUs (64-bit capable) were first introduced in 2003. If I am not mistaken, Intel released their first 64-bit capable CPU back in 2005 (late 2004?); the Pentium 4 "Prescott".

    If you really insist on buy obsolete technology then be my guest. But you will be wasting your money.
    I agree, my dual core intel core duo laptop laptop actually seemed faster than my old athlon64 3200+, it is 32 bit, but the cost of getting the motherboard are stagerring when compared to just getting a low end dual core and being done with it
    April 26, 2008 9:53:35 PM

    There is no such thing as a 32 bit-only dual core CPU that was sold for desktop use. The only 32 bit-only dual core CPU was the Core Duo for socket M, found in laptops in early 2006. No "Frankenstein" motherboard has ever been made to utilize socket M CPUs along with AGP. Regardless, the Core Duo never had hyperthreading, so it still would not fit your criteria.

    You are searching for unicorns.

    This is the only mobo that I know of that supports most of what you want (AGP, decent amount of PCI slots, 4GB of DDR ram in dual channel). Good luck finding it though:
    http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=775i65PE&s=...

    Obviously you're going to have to compromise on the CPU you want, b/c it simply does not exist. However, a Pentium extreme edition would be dual core, and have SSE2/SSE3 along with hyperthreading (even though it gets outclassed by a Pentium E2160, but hey, if this is what you want...).

    This ebay seller has the 840 EE in stock and ships worldwide (including Canada):

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Extreme-Edition-840-Dual-Core...

    I think you are a fool for wanting this crap, when that Asrock motherboard another board member mentioned is cheap and works great for what you want. I truly don't think you understand one bit of what it is you are talking about, and I find it hard to believe you'd need more than 2 GB of ram for anything you plan to do. Oh well.
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    April 26, 2008 10:45:03 PM

    Just put some peanut butter and jelly into a mobo.
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    April 26, 2008 10:51:12 PM

    rekabis said:
    Believe it or not, but there is a difference between advice and opinion.

    Opinion is telling someone what they should be doing. Advice is actually answering their original question.

    Care to give some “advice” instead of “opinion”??


    Everyone has been giving you "advice" and you have been giving us your "64 bit is a waste" opinion which is pure BS

    Listen to the THGs Forum Members advice ;) 
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    April 26, 2008 10:56:34 PM

    reconviperone1 said:
    I agree, my dual core intel core duo laptop laptop actually seemed faster than my old athlon64 3200+, it is 32 bit, but the cost of getting the motherboard are stagerring when compared to just getting a low end dual core and being done with it


    It would have been faster ;)  dual core feels so much faster when your using it.
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    April 26, 2008 11:13:29 PM

    I think it would be MORE expensive to buy a "true" 32 bit processor. I've got one if you'd like, an awesome P4 2.4 GHz. But seriously, there is no reason to try for one of the old processors. They will end up costing more than a whole new system and perform much worse if you can even find one matching your specs. Oh, and since the cheapest 64-bits are <$50, they aren't charging extra for it anymore.
    April 26, 2008 11:56:06 PM

    randomizer said:
    In sheer power, any CPU that is only 32-bit will get it's ass handed to it by a native 32-bit CPU that can also process 64-bit instructions. Why? Because they are so damn old. A 64-bit CPU (provided it isn't an Itanium or similar) is just as capable, usually more capable, of processing 32-bit data than a "pure" 32-bit CPU. But it's your money and by buying what you are after you really are gambling it...

    EDIT: Typo.
    Just because a CPU can do 64-bit, doesn't mean it can't do 32 just as well. ^ Is right. Currently the e8500 is the fastest mainstream dual cores out there. The e8400 is a way better deal, though. I'm sure there are some older Opterons or Xeon's that are way more powerful though.

    @ OP. Can I have some of the weed you're smoking? Is weed in Kelowna legal??
    April 27, 2008 1:52:13 AM

    I fail to see the point of what you want. As many have stated just because a CPU supports 64-bit dosnt mean it cant do 32 bit just as good as say a "pure 32-bit" P4. Also there is no Dual core that supports hyper threading, and why are you so obsessed with that ATI all-in-wonder or whatever. Basically the CPU you are asking for would be one that supports 4 threads (dual core with hyperthreading) so why not buy a cheap quad core? You need to read up on some BASIC pc facts before you start asking about these type of things. From what it seems you are a thick headed guy who cant comprehend what some pc experts are saying to you. We are trying to help you.
    April 27, 2008 1:53:21 AM

    Sounds like a forum troll to me ^^.
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