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E5200 Vs E2180

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December 1, 2008 1:13:50 AM

I have on order an E5200 with a GIGABYTE EG31MF, would a downgrade to 2180 and a cheap Mobo saving me $150 dollars where i live and spend that extra on a video card?

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December 1, 2008 1:45:48 AM

In terms of performance, there shouldn't be much difference between the 5200 and the 2180. The 5200 runs a few extra hundred MHz at stock, and has an extra MB of L2 cache. The 5200 is nice if you can swing it, but I don't feel its a much better chip then the 2180. Without knowing what you want to use the computer for however, you might be better off with either one.

I'm a bit confused with your motherboard comment. Isn't the EG31MF a cheap motherboard? Judging from the model number, I'm assuming it has the G31 chipset. These are fairly low end, whats lower?
December 1, 2008 2:17:24 AM

a (945 and 965 are lower, where i come from this costs a bit (G31 mobos)
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December 1, 2008 2:18:57 AM

Depends on the cost difference and what type of video card you are planning on getting. I think that the E5200 is a much better cpu at an average of 30% faster that E2180. Just rember at stock speeds the E2180 is pretty much going to bottleneck anything faster than an 9600gt.
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December 1, 2008 3:36:12 AM

Actually, the 965s aren't a bad board. I'm not sure if they support quads or 45nm chips, but they should handle the 2180 just fine. Their only other issue is needing ram that boots at 1.8v. I was considering 965 boards before I found my P35.

The biggest difference between the 2180 and the 5200 is the 5200 runs 500MHz faster. The share the same basic arch, same FSB, and the extra 1MB of L2 cache won't make that much difference. (at least for gaming.)

What video cards can you get for either case? What is the purpose of the computer? If you want to play video games, and you'll have to settle for an 8600GT/9500GT if you get the 5200, drop down to the 2180 and the 965 and get that 8800 that you want.
December 1, 2008 4:11:48 AM

I was thinking an HD 4850.
I know the E5200 is better but will a E2180 bottleneck a HD4850 with 4GB DDR2 800 RAM
December 1, 2008 4:16:52 AM

well my e5200 @ stock bottlenecks my 9600GT so... idk you will see me all over toms recommending the e5200 and i really do think its very much worth it over the 2xxx series. 12.5x multi, 200fsb stock, 45nm, double the cache (i think?). i do recommend lapping it though, as my ihs was ridiculously concave (ie HOURS of lapping, not kidding.), maybe i just got a dud ihs though..

price/performance and pure overclockability, e5200 FTW!
December 1, 2008 4:47:35 AM

+1 for the 5200
overclocks just as well as the 2180, and wont bottleneck as easily.

if you wait a few months (depending on the performance of deneb) you might be able to pick up a 7200 or 8500 for similar prices... by few i mean 6+
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December 1, 2008 5:36:49 AM

5200 = 2.5GHz 45nm 3MB L2 cache 800MHz FSB.
2180 = 2.0GHz 65nm 2MB L2 cache 800MHz FSB.

Yes, the 5200 is faster/better. If you can get the 4850 by moving to the 2180, I don't think you'd be giving up that much. As the OP mentioned, by dropping down on the CPU and mobo he can get a better GPU. Something he should probably do if he wants to game.

EDIT: I have the L2 cache sizes wrong. The 5200 has 2, the 2180 has 1. Everything else should be right.
December 1, 2008 5:47:47 AM

Depends if(how much) you intend to overclock. I have my E2160 sitting at 3.33Ghz and it doesn't bottleneck my 4850 by much. Considering the G31 is a value segmented board, and probably will not like high bus frequencies I would go with the 5200 to be safe(if you can afford it). Otherwise the 2180 will do fine
December 1, 2008 8:28:40 AM

I have a 2180 running at 3.2Ghz and a HD4850 (oc - 700/1150). The cpu doesn't seem to bottleneck the card too much. I'm running it on an asus p5k-vm motherboard (G33) and it handles higher FSB fine ( it think it's rated upto 1333/1600(oc)

Edit: All these confusing codes 8500, 7300, 2180, 4850, G33, p45???? Bound to get confused once in a while, someone call 911 i need a doctor.
December 1, 2008 8:44:52 AM

4500 not 4850...
December 1, 2008 10:41:34 AM

The E2180 with a G31 Mobo is not a great combination.
It will likely not allow for overclocking and at stock the E2180 is not great.

The E2180 with a slightly better board may be a good option if you still save enough money vs the E5200 is upgrade your graphics.
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December 1, 2008 11:41:54 AM

+1 for E5200. You can hit 3.4Ghz and higher with a good motherboard.
December 2, 2008 4:18:58 AM

the e2180 will bottleneck anything 9600GT and up. fact. e5200's can easily hit 3.0GHz (well they usually do... my mobo is retarded, but it appears to be stable 240x12.5 now!) and imo is much better price/performance. if you bought a 4670/4830/4850 now, you could then CF it later on... except its a G31 :lol: 

my recommendation for the lowest possible price (and i dont recommend it at all, i mean my build was budget and its playing crysis on max...) is some retarded e2xxx, a G31 and some cheap graphics card.

what i would really recommend though, is at the very least a P35, but a p43/45 would be better, an e5200 and a 4830 (for the moment, later you can CF it with a 4850 or 4870...).
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December 2, 2008 6:08:22 AM

P45 with the e5200 and the 4850 would make a great solution. As the OP already stated however, he can't afford that. What now?

Again, for gaming, if you don't have the funds for whats good, you'll have to get whats cheap. If the buying the 2180 will let you move up to a better GPU, then he should do it.
December 2, 2008 6:45:20 AM

...yes but if the 2180 bottlenecks the gpu what's the point?? if i was him i would wait a while longer or somehow get some more $$$.
December 2, 2008 7:06:34 AM

Okay so I know the E5200 will be better but will the E2180 REALLY bottleneck the 4850 that much?
December 2, 2008 7:43:10 AM

mmmmm... if you oc'd it maybe it wouldnt be THAT bad... but the G31 doesnt have pci e x16 2.0 does it? that in itself would bottleneck the 4850 probly :lol: 
December 2, 2008 8:01:43 AM

well im getting a P35 chipset
December 2, 2008 8:09:33 AM

oh. still not 2.0, but i don't think the bottleneck would be too severe. just means the slot would be providing half the watts to the card...
December 2, 2008 8:39:31 AM

hang on a P35 no 2.0?
well then try this ASUS P5Q-EM thats a P45
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December 2, 2008 8:56:50 AM

Venom, quit pulling his leg. The 2180 might bottle neck the 4850 some, but at least he'd have the 4850 instead of something less. He never said what the 5200's GPU would be, so its hard to say which is better.

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oh. still not 2.0, but i don't think the bottleneck would be too severe. just means the slot would be providing half the watts to the card...


HALF THE WATTS? This is what I was talking about pulling his leg. As long as his PSU can power the 4850, it gets the other half of the power from the PCIe plugs. The bandwidth would also be cut in half, but the most recent articles I've seen on the subject show no gains by going over PCIe 1 8X. A P35 with the 4850 should be fine. The 2180 would be a bigger bottle neck then the P35.

Lashton, can we get possible system specs? What would the 5200 setup look like, and what would the 2180 setup look like? Can we get confirmation that this is a gaming build? How much ram are we talking about here. I hate trying to help people if I don't know what we are dealing with.
December 2, 2008 9:03:07 AM

Asus P5Q are a great series, any P5K are pretty good too and will let you get a good bus speed. You can generally overclock the E2180's to 3Ghz with stock cooling, you'll get 3.3Ghz with good, but cheap aircooling. It won't bottleneck a 4850. E2180 is still a core2 just bigger die size and less cache and they're cheap as chips nowadays
December 2, 2008 9:20:12 AM

1 x ATX Midi-Tower Case With 420W PSU (LH5807/5803) = $49.00
2 x Adata 1GB DDR2-800 PC 6400 Memory () = $48.00
1 x Asustek DRW-2014S1T 20x SATA DVD Burner () = $34.17
1 x Intel Core 2 Duo processor E5200 2.5GHz 2Mb LGA775 Retail box () = $155.90 or E2180 = $105
1 x Creative SBS A200 2.1ch Speaker Set. 2w RMS () = $27.63
ASUS P5Q-EM = $149.00
1 x WESTERN DIGITAL 500GB SATAII 7200rpm GreenPower HDD (WD5000AACS) = $98.90
1 x Palit ATI Radeon HD4850 GDDR3 512MB PCIE2.0 () = $265.00
December 2, 2008 9:24:23 AM

Damn, things are expensive where you are. i thought i had to pay a lot! You'd be better with a gigabyte Radeon if they are the same price. Also 1066DDR2 should be about the same price?
December 2, 2008 9:27:24 AM

Oh, one thing you could change is the 500GB HD go for a 250GB and then go for the E5200. 250GB is loads even if you are using torrents. just upgrade later with another 250gb and use them in raid :) 
December 2, 2008 9:30:09 AM

lol I need the 500 GB because I have another 500GB and 1 TB is already used almost because I have a few movies ALL legal
December 2, 2008 10:47:04 AM

any how, as i said above in the list thats what Ill have to get what kind of OC will i get on that if I get a arctic pro 7 HSF
December 2, 2008 12:03:08 PM

Nah, you'd only get 3.5 at the very max with the E2180 i think. Mines only at 3.2-3.3ghz@1.45V temps are fairly low but i only have a hyper TX hsf. So if you can afford it go for the E5200. Btw, what are the prices for the E7xxx series (whey get an even better overclock as they have m0 stepping now i believe.
December 2, 2008 1:08:43 PM

Yea, i just looked where i am E5200 is $80 and E7300 is $120. But the E5200 can reach about 4Ghz on aircooling and has 2x2mb cache whereas the E7300 can reach the same speed but it only has 3mb cache? Why the big price difference?
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December 2, 2008 3:19:56 PM

The 5200 does not have 2x2MB cache. 2MB total, its not a quad chip.

Nice list, but you didn't tell us what the budget is. You might not like my idea, but it is the best. Drop the stuff you don't NEED and buy some good stuff. I'll take the 250GB idea farther, don't get a harddrive at all. If you already have a 500GB and a 1TB drive, you don't need another harddrive. Burn some stuff off onto DVDs like everyone else. You can't keep EVERYTHING stored on your computer forever. Next, if you still need money, don't get the speakers. Yes it will suck, but hopefully only for a year or less while you save up the whopping $24. Last, if you have to, drop the video card down a bunch. I mean a lot. Get something dirt cheap. All of these items are easy to replace. Adding a hdd is simply, plugging in new speakers is a breeze, taking out a 9500GT and putting in a 4850 is also pretty simple. This last idea does add some total cost, so try not to do this.

With the money saved, you should be able to buy a good motherboard and the 5200. I would also like to point out that you probably need to buy a PSU. You have inflate prices, and are trusting your build to a 420W PSU that comes with a $49 case? If you value your electronics, this needs to change.
December 2, 2008 3:51:04 PM

So the E5200 is basically just a higher clocked E2180? I looked on the resellers website and it said 2x2mb core! guess they got it wrong!?
December 2, 2008 11:45:40 PM

OK
1 x Sliverstone 500 watt = $79.00
2 x Adata 1GB DDR2-800 PC 6400 Memory () = $48.00
1 x Asustek DRW-2014S1T 20x SATA DVD Burner () = $34.17
1 x Intel Core 2 Duo processor E5200 2.5GHz 2Mb LGA775 Retail box () = $155.90
1 x Creative SBS A200 2.1ch Speaker Set. 2w RMS () = $27.63
Gigabyte P45 DS-3L - $189
1 x WESTERN DIGITAL 250GB SATAII 7200rpm GreenPower HDD (WD5000AACS) = $98.90
1 x Palit ATI Radeon HD4850 GDDR3 512MB PCIE2.0 () = $265.00

whats do you think?
December 2, 2008 11:56:21 PM

yeah this setup is great but what case are you using?and the generic PSU might be way too weak for the HD4850.what cooler will you be using?its a waste if you dont OC the 45nm E5200.

and by the way E5200 is Wolfdale not Conroe so clock for clock it is faster then E2180.plus E2180 is too cripple as it can never get about 3.4Ghz without 1.55v+ and E5200 still can reach 4Ghz.no match!
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a b K Overclocking
December 3, 2008 12:15:35 AM

Not bad. I think the only thing I would change is the hdd. I don't know if the greenpower drive is cheaper or not, but the normal AAKS drives might be cheaper. Something to look into.
December 3, 2008 12:19:42 AM

OK well i will be getting this setup tomorrow, and Ill post results of the overclock on this thread, I was gone over my budget but I guess that was always gonna happen ;) 
December 3, 2008 12:27:31 AM

well go over budget ALWAYS happens when buying personal stuff!LOL

hopefully i will get my E5200 soon as well along with my setup.should we have a little OC competition?:p 
December 3, 2008 12:30:43 AM

okay then you are on, OC competition, you need to get a P45 based board though, but if you dont still be good to see who OC's better
December 3, 2008 12:32:46 AM

so you saying if i have P35 i wont be able to pass you?

what CPU cooler will you be using?do you use live messenger?so we can keep in contact
December 3, 2008 12:36:11 AM

yeah I got a P45 based board, but be good to see what a P35 can do against a P45, yeah i'll PM you my msn, I got an Arctic cooler proo 7 coming tomorrow
December 3, 2008 12:55:06 AM

actually i will be using P45 as well.i will give you a head start as im still waiting for some parts to become in stock.
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a b K Overclocking
December 3, 2008 12:59:27 AM

You two better set some ground rules. Are you going for max FSB or clock frequency? Or are you shooting for fastest Pi time?

If only I bought the E5200 instead of the E6600. I'd be able to join you guys...
December 3, 2008 1:04:53 AM

lol time for another upgrade?:p 

i think we should try to reach highest FSB and Frequency. and i think just a final run of Vantage to see who got a better pc overall?but i only getting a 9600GT though so its a disadvantage for me already before even start!LOL
December 3, 2008 1:11:58 AM

yeah thats fair enough, but i think real world game performance, do you have Farcry 2? in the console typing in "showfps 1" will display fps
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December 3, 2008 1:19:37 AM

Upgrade? My E6600 (stock) blows your 5200 away. Faster FSB, twice as much L2 cache, and just 100MHz slower. Yes yours is 45nm and should overclock a bit more, they should be fairly even once overclocked.
December 3, 2008 1:19:56 AM

alright i see.i will get it once i got all my stuff to get going.
December 3, 2008 1:21:27 AM

so are you in this?just to prove what you said?
December 3, 2008 1:32:35 AM

4745454b said:
Upgrade? My E6600 (stock) blows your 5200 away. Faster FSB, twice as much L2 cache, and just 100MHz slower. Yes yours is 45nm and should overclock a bit more, they should be fairly even once overclocked.


lol and, hell it should be, where i live it costs over 120 extra, well see whose is faster after my overclocking tomorrow
December 3, 2008 1:42:13 AM

iluvgillgill said:
so are you in this?just to prove what you said?


check your PM for my MSn hehe then its OC game on, when you getting your 5200?
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