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April 10, 2008 7:00:02 PM

I am very unsatisfied with my visiontek hd3870, the only thing i am happy with is the image quality. when i move from left to right in call of duty 4, doom3, the witcher, or even move a window from left to right it seems the picture breaks, or tears, and ive tried 2 different visiontek hd3870's and ive tried 2 different monitors. Then i put in my old 7950gx2, and the image sucks. but when i move from left to right in those games, it seems MUCH smoother... but also seems duller and brighter , and i play with the settings and i just cant get it to that of the 3870, or of my friends 3850.

im using catalyst driver 8.3


thats my scenario

now for my question:

will getting a evga 8800gt be better? will it stop the tearing? (i think tearing is the right therm) and will the image quality be the same as the 3870? does anyone have any information about this? i would appreciate it a lot.

is the nvidia application better then catalyst application?

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April 10, 2008 7:10:16 PM

just try turning vsync on in the game. that should remove the tearing completely.
April 10, 2008 7:10:41 PM

Dumb question but. . . do you have vsync enabled in games?
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April 10, 2008 7:11:03 PM

*shakes fist at MayDay*
April 10, 2008 7:12:47 PM

What resolution are you using? Did you try using vsync? Make sure your lcd refresh rate is set appropriately. Make sure you have gotten rid of the nvidia drivers before you load ATI drivers.
If you're using windows xp, try rolling back to catalyst 8.2. If you're using Vista get the 8.3 hotfix. If you're using linux go nvidia.

I like Catalyst control center better for some things, but I like nvidia better for others.
April 10, 2008 7:20:22 PM

vsync i have tried on and off, im using 1280x1024 resolution, and i like to use 4xAA and the anisotropic filtering 16x
April 10, 2008 7:21:48 PM

my lcd refresh rate is at 75, and i lower it and raise it to see what works better, and still i can not fix the tearing problem, ive moved the gpu to other comps and tried other 3870, and i love ATI i dont want to sell them out...
April 10, 2008 7:24:07 PM

see at 1280x1024 i get 48 fps usually, 4xaa, 16xaf, and i dont use the cat controler to make anything else turn on to save the gup further, then if i turn on vsync it drops to like 25 fps... and that is unplayable. 48-75 is what i usually play at depending on how much smoke is out, but never below 48 fps with vsync off, vsync on 15-25 fps sometimes down to like 5
April 10, 2008 7:48:08 PM

Well your problem is your aa and af is set to high. Try dropping af to 8x. I got my two visonteks for 214.99 each. Your asking to much bang for the buck. Your picture may look sweet, but your fps sucks cause the card can't handle it. A 8800gt will do a bit better, but i think your asking for 8800gtx performance.
April 10, 2008 8:21:23 PM

1. 4xAA and the anisotropic filtering 16x is poison to 3870
2. Try 2XAA and filtering at 4 or 8 it looks just fine with them.
April 10, 2008 8:39:29 PM

hmm, I have had the visiontek 3870 for 3 months. No problems like you described. Wish I could help =(
April 10, 2008 9:07:00 PM

well i want a card that at 2180x1024 it can max out all the settings and get me at least 60 fps, but my main question was, is the image quality lesser on the 8800gt? i like sharp image quality. am i wanting too much?
April 10, 2008 9:08:48 PM

stickmans88, do you run crossfire? if so can u get 4xaa and 16af? if thats the case ill just buy another... maybe...
April 10, 2008 9:12:44 PM

I had loads of issues with my 3870 and CCC 8.3. Gone back to 8.2 and the problems have gone away.
a c 130 U Graphics card
April 10, 2008 9:34:48 PM

jbridges1987 said:
well i want a card that at 2180x1024 it can max out all the settings and get me at least 60 fps, but my main question was, is the image quality lesser on the 8800gt? i like sharp image quality. am i wanting too much?


I too prefer the Default ATI image quality and while its true ATI had a definate image edge over Nvidia in the past a lot of people are saying its no longer the case. There are so many options and settings on the latest cards that with a little time and patience its said you can get cards from both camps to look near as makes no differance the same.
I think you need to be a bit more subtle with the settings, try using some of the custom filter options instead of full AA it will make a differance to your performance and definatly drop the Af to about 8x
Mactronix
April 10, 2008 9:58:05 PM

drop af to 8x like everyone else says. also with the vsync setting, try it both in game and in ccc. you may get better results in game or by forcing it on at the driver level. hopefully this can eliminate the tears and give you acceptable frames.
a b U Graphics card
April 10, 2008 10:00:23 PM

I just tried a vistionTEK 3870 this weekend. Its on the box to be returned.

Video quality is not a concern for Games and watching HD/Blue Ray movies.

I do find it slower which is consistent with the publish review and generate more heat/consumes more power.

The thing that i don't like is it takes 2-slot(PCIE).

I have 8800GT OC 512 a much better board that require a single slot.

My mobo is crossfire so for next video upgrade i may consider 3870X2. That i use 2 slots its fine.

April 10, 2008 10:26:06 PM

maybe ati will come out with a better card soon, i got the x38 motherboard, maybe that was a bad idea... i had so much faith that the 3870 was gonna be awesome, so i was gonna get 2

either way, would the 8800gt run 1280x1024 4xAA and 16xAF? at more then 60 fps?

if not then theres no reason to "upgrade" really more of a conversion...
April 10, 2008 11:11:33 PM

Get an 8800GTS 512 and run it any way you want...think it still uses less power also.
April 10, 2008 11:58:13 PM

ZOldDude said:
Get an 8800GTS 512 and run it any way you want...think it still uses less power also.


u know thats funny b/c i was unsatisfied with 2 hd 3870's in CF so i went with a 8800gts 512, and man its just seems so much better, i haven't benchmarked it yet, but i will...
April 11, 2008 12:40:46 AM

Get a 8800GTS and it'll blow the doors off that 3870 with AA and AF cranked up. Funny that the company that's always touting "image quality" can't use AA.
April 11, 2008 1:04:38 AM

Yes i am running crossfire, and no i can't run COD4 at aa4 af16 with vsync on. Off yes. Your just asking to much for this little 214 buck card. aa and af kill the 3xxx series cards. I'm also running 1280x1024 and i love my 3870s. I have no problems with drivers or anything. The only thing holding me back is my b2 stepping phenom and my ddr2 800 ram(board can run ddr2 1066). When i added the second card the picture quality was better, but my fps didn't go up. To me in cf aax2 afx4 looks the same as the single card aax4 afx8.

Also vsync syncs the hz of your monitor to your fps, so if you have 60hz monitor like i do your max fps with vsync on will be 60fps. In unreal 2004 with everything set to high and aax24 afx16 with vsync off i get 100fps easy.
April 11, 2008 2:25:39 AM

ok, i use 8xaf, 4xaa, and dude, i still have low fps, and tearing, i dont know what it is... i have a q6600 (2.4ghz stock speed thinking about overclocking it to 3.0 and fsb to 1333) ddr3 1333 ram, and x38 mobo, it seems the slowest part is my hd3870... i have vsync on now and i turn it off sometimes im trying to make it not tear, thats all.
April 11, 2008 2:28:34 AM

and to answer the most important question, will i notice any visual difference in the 3870 and the 8800gt?
April 11, 2008 2:41:15 AM

For Vista, use 8.3's
For XP use 8.2's ;) 
April 11, 2008 2:44:43 AM

jbridges1987 said:
and to answer the most important question, will i notice any visual difference in the 3870 and the 8800gt?


No, IQ between the two cards are nearly identical. The "tearing" problem you are having is probablly driver related.
April 11, 2008 3:12:28 AM

What monitors are you using? Are they LCDs or CRTs?
April 11, 2008 2:10:16 PM

Turn off aa and af and if you still get low fps and tearing its a driver problem.

What motherboard do you have cause i hear no such problems with phenom 790fx chipsets.

It sounds to me that your set up doesn't like the card to much.

I'm a AMD/ATI fanboy if you didn't notice and i don't like the idea at all of having a ati card running on a Intel chipset. It just doesn't sound right. If i where you i would return the 3870 and get a 8800gt or 8800gts. I think that the motherboard is the most important thing in the computer when it comes to gaming. Try running a 8800 ultra or a 3870x2 on a 50 buck board.
April 11, 2008 2:49:32 PM

jbridges1987 said:
ok, i use 8xaf, 4xaa, and dude, i still have low fps, and tearing, i dont know what it is... i have a q6600 (2.4ghz stock speed thinking about overclocking it to 3.0 and fsb to 1333) ddr3 1333 ram, and x38 mobo, it seems the slowest part is my hd3870... i have vsync on now and i turn it off sometimes im trying to make it not tear, thats all.


Your setup is very similar to mine. I have had absolutely no trouble running games. Even Crysis has been running smooth. Remember, you will never notice having more than 30 fps, it is a well researched and documented fact that the human eye will never notice the difference.

I usually leave anti aliasing around 4x, and af usually on 2x or low. I play Neverwinter Nights 2 and UT3, and it performs great. Crysis I usually leave at 2x, and runs smooth (stutters maybe once or twice per hour). I paid $189 for my 3870 from newegg, which is amazing graphics performance for what I paid. Be happy with what you bought, and if you absolutely need the extra performance, which you won't notice, get an additional 3870 and/or 3870X2
April 11, 2008 2:58:13 PM

jkflipflop98 said:
Get a 8800GTS and it'll blow the doors off that 3870 with AA and AF cranked up. Funny that the company that's always touting "image quality" can't use AA.


http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

What did you say about the 8800GTS blowing the doors off the 3870?
Tom's Guide clearly shows that the 3870 beats the 8800GTS in 3dmark06 with 4xAA and 8xAF by a margin of 612 points.

Get your facts straight.
Anonymous
April 11, 2008 3:20:46 PM

njalterio said:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

What did you say about the 8800GTS blowing the doors off the 3870?
Tom's Guide clearly shows that the 3870 beats the 8800GTS in 3dmark06 with 4xAA and 8xAF by a margin of 612 points.

Get your facts straight.



Hahaha Fanboy got pwned !
April 11, 2008 5:27:09 PM

every chart i look at on that gpu chart shows the 8800gt owning everything... i think im gonna get one. WILL I NOTICE ANY IMAGE QUALITY REDUCTION!? could anyone else tell that the ati is sharper image?
April 11, 2008 5:57:30 PM

Guys, your dispute is cool, but I'm a crossover and I never had any problem for the gaming...
STOP trying to get to the charts for a fans battle.
I like AMD CPU's and nVidia GPU's (even that before I was on 3dfx) but I can't say that AMD Phenom is the outbreak (Athlon series was VERY good), but if AMD doesn't change is core design again... then she is in trouble (the same position that Intel was with the P4 and bizarre letters [D,etc] series.
April 11, 2008 6:02:37 PM

Oh by the way (I forgot myself), try to do a complete desinstallation (everything, from files to reistry) of your drivers and do a clear one (I was working in technical assistance, and usually the drivers for ATI are very buggy).
Try to find an Ωmega driver for card... You will get more FPS and more Stability.
a b U Graphics card
April 11, 2008 6:20:36 PM

If you change from ATI to Nvidia or viceversa you should use Driver Cleaner.
April 11, 2008 11:45:43 PM

You will see small changes in every game you play. Nothing huge. Happy gaming.
April 12, 2008 12:21:45 AM

ok im going to get the 8800 gt and return this 3870 to best buy... im not happy im a fanboi, ATI for life, too bad they just lost me... im going to think about it tonight, and tomorrow make my final decision... can someone tell me more about this driver cleaner??
April 12, 2008 12:34:22 AM

njalterio said:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

What did you say about the 8800GTS blowing the doors off the 3870?
Tom's Guide clearly shows that the 3870 beats the 8800GTS in 3dmark06 with 4xAA and 8xAF by a margin of 612 points.

Get your facts straight.



Yes, but it loses at everything else but 3DMark.

Get your facts straight.
Anonymous
April 12, 2008 1:32:43 AM

njalterio said:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

What did you say about the 8800GTS blowing the doors off the 3870?
Tom's Guide clearly shows that the 3870 beats the 8800GTS in 3dmark06 with 4xAA and 8xAF by a margin of 612 points.

Get your facts straight.


Tell someone to get their facts straight when you cant even read? That would be the old 8800gts which is not what is being talked about in this thread. If you look at the very chart you linked, you will see the 8800gt beats the 3870, and the 8800gts would beat both. And yes the 3870 gets stomped by the 8800gts g92.
April 12, 2008 4:21:11 AM

Why does every thread here turn into a "fanboy" discussion. It's sickening.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2008 4:49:05 AM

erocker said:
Why does every thread here turn into a "fanboy" discussion. It's sickening.

Getting facts straight isn't a fanboi discussion. 8800GTS G92 > HD3870 for fsaa performance. The 3870 is excellent, but it's not even intended to compete with the G92 GTS.
April 12, 2008 11:43:48 PM

so... wheres the driver cleaner?
April 13, 2008 4:54:25 AM

I guess this is some bug in catalyst driver 8.3 when I upgrade the driver from 8.2 to 8.3 I got a little bit problem as you encountered. 8800GT is definitely better than 3870 in gaming but with poorer result in HD movies.
April 13, 2008 7:34:05 AM

njalterio said:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

What did you say about the 8800GTS blowing the doors off the 3870?
Tom's Guide clearly shows that the 3870 beats the 8800GTS in 3dmark06 with 4xAA and 8xAF by a margin of 612 points.

Get your facts straight.



Lol? You are aware the VGA chart you linked only has the EOL G80 8800GTS and not the G92 GTS?

I think you need to get your facts strait, an HD 3870 does not by any means beat a g92 8800GTS 512 in performance.
April 13, 2008 7:55:29 AM

leon2006 said:


My mobo is crossfire so for next video upgrade i may consider 3870X2. That i use 2 slots its fine.


I'm not having any issues in The Witcher with my 3870x2. Then again, I don't push the AA and AF, as I generally like ATI image quality as is, so I can get a bit more fps. Stuck with a 17" CRT, so I'm gaming at 1280 x 1024, which might make me CPU limited.

Since I'm saving up for an LCD, I'll ask. Do they have issues of tearing not found on CRT's. I'm thinking of a 24" LCD with 5ms or less response time at best or a 22" at worst. The first gives blu-ray resolution but the second might be the sweet spot for one 3870x2.

Regarding Crossfire, wait a couple of months, the 4870 and 4870x2 are due to arrive in June (according to Nordic Hardware). The 4870 will be as fast as a 3870x2 and the 4870x2 should beat a 9800gx2.

When I finally go Phenom with Deneb by first quarter of 2009, I'll look for a Crossfire board so I can give a 3870x2 and a 4870 a try for triple CrossfireX, or maybe just pick up a much cheaper second 3870x2.
April 13, 2008 7:34:18 PM

try to go for a pva panel, just anything non-tn, if u look around u might be able to find some still available, they usually have response times of like 6ms, and have 178 degrees viewing angle, is usually the way to tell them apart. But their picture quality is superior to any non-tn lcd that i've ever seen.
April 14, 2008 1:51:16 PM

so this was the worst idea ever. i cleaned the drivers got them going and everything. runs smooth. nvidia players... i dont know how you think this is acceptable? the image quality SUCKS! 8800gt players, your card is HOT! 81c, thats hot...
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