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Help!  I just put this rig together, turned it on for first time today!
 
*Edit* I'll be adding pics from different programs as they're suggested to give helpers an easier time.
 
EasyTune:  (dunno why my case temp is so high...)
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/iamkirk/easytune.jpg
 
CoreTemp program:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/iamkirk/temp2.jpg
 
HWMonitor:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/iamkirk/vg/temp-1.jpg
 
 
 
Is this just because its brand new?
 
I have a Xigmatek HDT-S1283 hooked up to it
 
In an Antec 900 case (fans are on low, but case does *not* in any way feel warm, very very cool to the touch.
 
 
I was looking at overclocking stuff and decided to download a temp monitor, and noticed this.  (This is still at stock speeds until I figure out wtf is going on).
 
Q9450 on Vista 64, 4gb ram
Arctic Silver 5.
 
BIOS is updated to F2, current version.  (I could update to a beta version of BIOS, since this was released 1/4/08 and the newest beta was 3/27/2008.  Maybe since this is a newer processor it might be better?)


Message edited by Shocking on 05-01-2008 at 09:59:37 AM
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If your ambient temperature is elevated (greater than 25C) and the ambient relative humidity is 40% or higher, the temperatures you are measuring are not unreasonable.
Also...the motherboard you are using, does it have the latest BIOS release?


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Your core 3 temps look really high.  Thermal grease can take a few days to set and will lower temps but maybe not enough to put it in a great spot.  My C2D OC to 3GHz will hit 48-55C fully loaded (before I upgraded the fans) and I thought that was OK.  You have a quad-core so more heat is being generated.  I think if your ambient temps were slightly higher than normal then that's probably about right.
 
BTW now my CPU never hits 50C with 80F ambient.


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Oh, forgot to add I used Arctic Silver 5.
 
 
I'm at sea level, in southern california, not really humid at all.
 
My BIOS probably needs to be updated, I use a GA-EP35C-DS3R and I've read the best BIOS is F2, and I think they come with F1.  Not sure where I read what my BIOS version is though, nor how to flash it.
 
As far as ambient temp... you mean in my room? its about 70 degrees Fahrenheit.  

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Check into updating the BIOS for your motherboard and see how that affects your cpu temperature measurement.
 
On a side note: If you use too much thermal paste it will cause your cpu temperature to be high.


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i applied it like arctic silver's website told me to
 
*edit* notice my graphics temp is high too
 
 
My BIOS is the one that its supposed to be at, F2.
 
In BIOS, my CPU temp is rated at 24C (which I still think is high but w/e)
 
 
Any other thoughts?


Message edited by Shocking on 05-01-2008 at 09:30:51 AM
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Guys, BIOS affects CPU temperature ONLY, and does not affect Core temperatures. From the Core 2 Quad and Duo Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ture-guide
 
 
Section 5: Findings
 
(A) Tcase is acquired on the CPU Die from the CPU Case Thermal Diode as an analog level, which is converted to a digital value by the super I/O chip on the motherboard. The digital value is BIOS Calibrated and displayed by temperature software. BIOS Calibration affects the accuracy of Tcase, or CPU temperature.
 
(B) Tjunction is acquired within the Cores from Thermal Diodes as analog levels, which are converted to digital values by the Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS) within each Core. The digital values are Factory Calibrated and displayed by temperature software. Factory Calibration affects the accuracy of Tjunction, or Core temperatures.
 
(C) Tcase and Tjunction are both acquired from Thermal Diodes. Tcase and Tjunction analog to digital (A to D) conversions are executed by separate devices in different locations. BIOS Calibrations from motherboard manufacturers, Factory Calibrations from Intel, and popular temperature utilities are frequently inaccurate.
 
Also:
 
Section 15: Troubleshooting
 
Notice: A significant percentage of 45 nanometer processors are being reported with defective DTS sensors, which appear as unresponsive Core temperatures, particularly at lower Scale. Excessive Offsets between Cores of as much as 8c are also being reported. Sensors can be tested using Real Temp 2.41: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] ?p=2809778 Processors with defective sensors should be RMA`d. This applies to E8000, Q9000 and QX9000 series processors.  
 
(A) Vcore will typically droop at least 0.025 volts under full Load.
 
(B) Offsets between Cores of up to 5c for Quad`s and 3c for Duo`s are normal.
 
(C) Any hardware and / or software may misreport Tcase and / or Tjunction temps.
 
(D) BIOS updates will affect the accuracy of Tcase, but will have no affect on Tjunction.
 
(E) If Tcase is higher than Tjunction, then enabling PECI (if equipped) in BIOS may correct inverted temps.
 
(F) CPU's manufactured with concave / convex Integrated Heat Spreaders may indicate high Idle to Load Delta.  
 
(G) An improperly seated CPU cooler is the leading cause of abnormally high temperatures.
 
(H) Ambient and Vcore are the most dominant Variables affecting temperatures.
 
 
Hope this helps,
 
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lol... thanks for the post but um...
 
 
english?  All I got from that is my CPU *might* be defective.  But if the sensor is the only thing thats buggy does it really matter?
 
I'm only asking because I highly doubt I can RMA this, I bought this basically third party (maybe even 4th, if thats possible).
 
BIOS and EasyTune say my CPU runs about 23/24
and these are saying higher.
 
 
CoreTemp readings:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/iamkirk/temp2.jpg


Message edited by Shocking on 05-01-2008 at 09:52:44 AM
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have you tried core temp 0.9.8.1? just to see your readings are accurate in both programs? im guessing your system is not under full load right? thats really high for idle.  
 
thermal paste does take awhile to set into all the micro crevices on ur cpu and hs though but i dun think thats the prob.
 
only thing i can think of is that the program is giving you inaccurate readings  
 
try using the newest core temp and see what it reads.
 
my q9450 run in the 35-37 ish range when idle and around 54-57 when under full load from prime 95.  
 
if anything, try reinstalling the heatsink? or lap your cpu and see if that makes a difference. that's all i can really think of x_x


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Sea level does not mean a low humidity level...  Check your local weather web site to get proper information.  (Live in Sydney, AUS, near sea level, humidity varies but usually around 50%)
 
I'd personally run a very stressful CPU intensive program, like prime95 or some such, then as soon as it's finished, reboot and test your temps in BIOS.  Then fire up CPUID and see if it agrees.  (I'd personally trust the BIOS readings before any software readings)  Is there not a way to apply temp offsets to CPUID?
 

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35%-45% humidity usually here.

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What are chipset drivers and what relevance do they have to this situation?

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Chipset drivers = BIOS software. Sometimes different CPU steppings can need BIOS updates so that the code sent from the temp sensors is correctly interpeted.  

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Your CPU fan speed of 842 seems particularly low.


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evongugg wrote :

Your CPU fan speed of 842 seems particularly low.


Agreed.  Turn that fan up!  My Arctic Freezer 7 is at about 2700-3000 RPM.


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It's possible that the cooler is installed improperly, no one else has mentioned this possibility.
 
Given the unique nature of that heat sink, there could be some problems with the installation, maybe the thermal compound was not applied properly to the bottom of the heat pipes(where they mate with the IHS). Maybe one of the installation pins was not pushed down right. I would reseat the heat sink just to make sure everything is okay.

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Hmmm... that seems to be a nice HS (Xigmatek HDT-S1283).

 

I've read one other post before to where the HS was blowing in the wrong direction.

 

Even with my HS with the fan turned low, my cores are at 38/39/37/37 at this time, ambient temp on my front fan is (gah) 85-86F.

 

So I kinda wonder if you have the airflow perhaps working against ya, even though the RPMs are low.  And if you have SmartFan enable in the bios, it won't kick the fan to high, until the Tcase temp reaches a certain temp, which you would specify or to it's default settings.

 

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Forgot to mention I am on a Q6600.


Message edited by Grimmy on 05-01-2008 at 04:17:12 PM
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Once again guys, BIOS affects CPU temperature ONLY, and does not affect Core temperatures.

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Message edited by CompuTroni x on 05-01-2008 at 04:22:43 PM

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CompuTronix wrote :

Once again guys, BIOS has nothing to do with Core temperatures.


 
Agreed.

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