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April 5, 2008 12:46:08 AM

I'll make this fast. I want to buy/upgrade my PC in late May (for Age of Conan). I want to get the "best bang for buck" hardware - price is not an issue, price : performance ratio is. So if you all could give me your opinions that would be awesome. Also it would be nice if you could include prices and/or links. All hardware that is has been released or will be released by late May/early June is fair game.

Things You Need To Know:

- I upgrade every 3+ years...so this is LONGTERM.
- I already have the HDs (10k Raptor 75gb, 500gb Seagate)
- I already have the graphics card (8800GT)
- I really don't like to OC, but am willing. However, I need to see significant benefits running on air and not overheat.
- Yes, I am a gamer.

What I Might Need: This isn't as important for me right now - my old parts can still work here.

- I already CD Drive, keyboard/Mouse, Speakers, PSU, Monitor, Sound Card - though I won't mind getting new ones.

What I Definitely Need: Any good monitors or sound cards at a good value can be add here.

- Case:
- RAM:
- CPU:
- MOBO:

What I Am Thinking of Getting:

- Case: Antec 900, Antec P180, Antec P182, Thermaltake Armor, Cooler Master Cosmos, Cooler Master RC-690, so many more.
- RAM: So many to choose from...2x2gb ($100) or 2x1gb ($50) for now, and upgrade later if need be.
- CPU: e2180, e8400, Q6600, Q9300, Q9450
- MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L/R...not sure....SLI or no SLI...?

Questions I Have:

- Do you still think the 8800GT/GTS is "best bang for buck" and will it be by late May?
- Is SLI worth it, if I plan on longterm use? It seems like every year a new single-card solution can perform better than most SLI from a year ago. If that is the case than I'll stick with single-slot solution.
- How is 2x2gb vs 4x1gb ram? performance-wise. Also, I am looking for DDR2 1066 FSB - correct? (for optimal performance) or is 1333 FSB better for me?

Remember: Price is not an issue, I just want "best bang for buck" and hardware that will last me longterm.

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April 5, 2008 12:51:11 AM

can't go wrong with either Antec case.
If money is no issue I would go for the Q9450
April 5, 2008 12:56:08 AM

The newer Antec Nine Hundred have good cable managment
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April 5, 2008 1:01:28 AM

I like the Antec P182, better looks IMO. For price-performance, I'd go for an E8400 for a CPU, just make sure you get RAM at 1066 for easy OCing. And if you want to go for price-performance then you have to get 2 8800GT/GTS instead of a single great card. Good luck.
April 5, 2008 1:07:02 AM

You should get 2x2=4gb of ram, and leave the extra 2 slots for future upgrade. Or just get the 8gb now, as it's dirt cheap. 8gb may be excessive now, but in 3 years it probably wouldn't. 3 years ago, 2gb was considered more than enough, remember?

You should get a quad core cpu, as programs are going quad optimized. There are people who say it'll never happen, those are the same ones who predicted dual optimization will never happen. Nowdays, the early duals are still powerful enough to be useful for gaming, and single core cpus of the same period are not. Q9450 isn't the best bang for the buck right now, compared to Q6600. But for the long term, it might be worth it.

You should get a motherboard with x38/48 chipset, if you want to do high overclocking, or overclocking a Q9450. Its higher FSB is enough so that your cpu itself is the oc bottleneck, not motherboard. This is important with the new 45nm quads' lower multipliers. It supports crossfire, but not sli. Nvidia offers significantly better performance and bang for the buck right now, but keep in mind that Nvidia and ATI switches as top dog once in a while, so in 3 years, who knows who will have better hardware.

Case should be airy. It's better to get a midtower with good airflow than full tower with poor airflow.
This is the one I use. It's the best bang for the buck. There are better ones though, with airflow almost as good, but full tower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 5, 2008 1:09:48 AM

level101 said:
can't go wrong with either Antec case.
If money is no issue I would go for the Q9450


How much more performance would I see with Q9450 over Q6600? Doesn't it cost around $350? $150 more than Q6600
April 5, 2008 1:13:46 AM

two bit hit said:
I like the Antec P182, better looks IMO. For price:p erformance, I'd go for an E8400 for a CPU, just make sure you get RAM at 1066 for easy OCing. And if you want to go for price:p erformance then you have to get 2 8800GT/GTS instead of a single great card. Good luck.


If I buy another 8800GT, my worry is that by the end of this year they will have a new video card that is $200 and can outperform 2x8800GT...which in that case, I should of saved my $175, and just upgraded from single-slot to new single-slot. Unless, games (not including Crysis) really need SLI these days - to run at good FPS.
April 5, 2008 1:18:07 AM

dagger said:
You should get 2x2=4gb of ram, and leave the extra 2 slots for future upgrade. Or just get the 8gb now, as it's dirt cheap. 8gb may be excessive now, but in 3 years it probably wouldn't. 3 years ago, 2gb was considered more than enough, remember?

You should get a quad core cpu, as programs are going quad optimized. There are people who say it'll never happen, those are the same ones who predicted dual optimization will never happen. Nowdays, the early duals are still powerful enough to be useful for gaming, and single core cpus of the same period are not. Q9450 isn't the best bang for the buck right now, compared to Q6600. But for the long term, it might be worth it.

You should get a motherboard with x38/48 chipset, if you want to do high overclocking, or overclocking a Q9450. Its higher FSB is enough so that your cpu itself is the oc bottleneck, not motherboard. This is important with the new 45nm quads' lower multipliers. It supports crossfire, but not sli. Nvidia offers significantly better performance and bang for the buck right now, but keep in mind that Nvidia and ATI switches as top dog once in a while, so in 3 years, who knows who will have better hardware.

Case should be airy. It's better to get a midtower with good airflow than full tower with poor airflow.
This is the one I use. It's the best bang for the buck. There are better ones though, with airflow almost as good, but full tower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


yeah I am leaning toward 2x2gb now. I am still wondering on this Q9450 vs Q6600...need to see some price : performance charts... /google. Also, I don't like to OC. I know how to and have done so before, but I am not a huge fan of it, unless I am running something that can OC on air and have significant benefits and not overheat.
April 5, 2008 1:25:37 AM

Q9450 and Q6600 benchmarks:
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGRkaJiXmJTK/v...
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGNkbZiUmJLK/v...

So, no, it's probably not worth the money right now, with Yorkfield's inflated price. But if you're going to eventually upgrade to 45nm anyway, might as well get it now and save a Q6600. Intel's new socket is comming up, so with current motherboard, the 45nm Yorkfield quad is as far as you can upgrade.

As for graphics card, gpus development are moving way too fast for sli/crossfire setup to be good bang for the buck.

I'm running Q6600@3.6ghz on air and x38 chipset, 64 degrees C on full load prime95 large fft test. 3.6ghz oc is typical for air cooled Q6600. You can go further for Q9450.
April 5, 2008 1:29:26 AM

I've been trying to decide between the Q6600 & the Q9300. I've decided on going with the Q9300. I would go with the Q9450 but I can't justify paying the price difference.

Here's A good article on Q9300 vs Q6600
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q930...

The Q9450 has a faster clock speed, and more cache, & higher multiplier than the Q9300. Both run cooler then the Q6600
April 5, 2008 1:36:17 AM

level101 said:
I've been trying to decide between the Q6600 & the Q9300. I've decided on going with the Q9300. I would go with the Q9450 but I can't justify paying the price difference.

Here's A good article on Q9300 vs Q6600
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q930...

The Q9450 has a faster clock speed, and more cache, & higher multiplier than the Q9300. Both run cooler then the Q6600





That might not be the best choice. Q9300 has only 2x3mb of L2 cache, runs at 7.5x multiplier, and the benchmarking is at stock, with Q9300 running at a faster clock. It's more expensive for lower overclocking headroom and smaller L2 cache, which matters in realistic conditions.

Q6600 = 2x4mb L2 cache, 9x multiplier
Q9450 = 2x6mb L2 cache, 8x multiplier
April 5, 2008 1:39:49 AM

X-Bit labs Q9300 review on Q9300 vs Q6600

"The benchmark results indicate clearly that all our concerns were absolutely unfounded. Core 2 Quad Q9300 is faster than Core 2 Quad Q6600 even without a larger L2 cache, only thanks to architectural improvements introduced in Penryn processors, higher bus frequency and 100MHz higher clock speed. Moreover, there isn’t a single application where the old CPU would demonstrate higher results, and the overall performance advantage is about 7%, which is quite a lot."



http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q930...
April 5, 2008 1:45:57 AM

Q9300 overclocked to 3.5GHz with the ASUS P5E3 Deluxe mainboard on Intel X38 chipset.

April 5, 2008 2:20:54 AM

dagger said:
Q9450 and Q6600 benchmarks:
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGRkaJiXmJTK/v...
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGNkbZiUmJLK/v...

So, no, it's probably not worth the money right now, with Yorkfield's inflated price. But if you're going to eventually upgrade to 45nm anyway, might as well get it now and save a Q6600. Intel's new socket is comming up, so with current motherboard, the 45nm Yorkfield quad is as far as you can upgrade.

As for graphics card, gpus development are moving way too fast for sli/crossfire setup to be good bang for the buck.

I'm running Q6600@3.6ghz on air and x38 chipset, 64 degrees C on full load prime95 large fft test. 3.6ghz oc is typical for air cooled Q6600. You can go further for Q9450.


yeah thats how i feel about SLI right now as well.
April 5, 2008 2:22:44 AM

level101 said:
I've been trying to decide between the Q6600 & the Q9300. I've decided on going with the Q9300. I would go with the Q9450 but I can't justify paying the price difference.

Here's A good article on Q9300 vs Q6600
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q930...

The Q9450 has a faster clock speed, and more cache, & higher multiplier than the Q9300. Both run cooler then the Q6600


I looked into the Q9300, seems pretty good. However its $100 more for 7% more performance - right? If so, I think im still between the Q6600 and Q9450.
April 5, 2008 2:24:50 AM

dagger said:
That might not be the best choice. Q9300 has only 2x3mb of L2 cache, runs at 7.5x multiplier, and the benchmarking is at stock, with Q9300 running at a faster clock. It's more expensive for lower overclocking headroom and smaller L2 cache, which matters in realistic conditions.

Q6600 = 2x4mb L2 cache, 9x multiplier
Q9450 = 2x6mb L2 cache, 8x multiplier


The sense I am getting is that the 9300 is better than the Q6600, but I don't think it justifies the $100 I would have to spend on it - compared to Q6600.
April 5, 2008 2:31:32 AM

Q9300 $50 more
Q9450 $145 more
April 5, 2008 2:31:42 AM

Quote:
- Case: CM 690
- RAM: 2 x 2GB Corsair XMS
- CPU: E8400
- MOBO: ASUS P5K-E/WiFi-AP

/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell
Webmaster, Supreme Law Library


I like the e8400 a lot however, I am worried it would be future proof, and in the long run the Q6600/Q9450 might actually outperform it. Both e8400 and Q6600 can be found for $199 I believe.
April 5, 2008 2:34:14 AM

level101 said:
Q9300 $50 more
Q9450 $145 more



O oka...mmm yes....I will def. consider it now....Q9300 vs Q9450...

However, i am fairly sure you can get a Q6600 for $199...I will search online to see if I can find Q9300 for ~$250
April 5, 2008 2:37:35 AM

Q9450 would be the way to go IMO if you dont care to $145 more.

The Q9300 is to replace the Q6600 & is $50 more, but has lower Cache.

Some people like the Q6600 because it has lower FSB and higher multiplier, which makes it easier to overclock.

The Q9300 & the Q9450 are the new 45nm which have higher FSB, higher clock speeds, they run cooler, and have SSE4
April 5, 2008 2:40:06 AM

qmalik said:
was that on air?


yes

They can all be overclocked on air.
April 5, 2008 2:41:28 AM

What you think about Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ? Best bang for buck - single slot solution?
April 5, 2008 2:42:54 AM

can't go wrong with the Q6600, especially for the price.
What ever choice you make you'll be happy either way.
April 5, 2008 2:44:36 AM

qmalik said:
What you think about Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ? Best bang for buck - single slot solution?


great mobo, also great for overclocking, plus its cheap
April 5, 2008 2:46:32 AM

if you do plan to overclock, I'd get the OEM CPU and get a good CPU cooler
April 5, 2008 2:49:42 AM

level101 said:
if you do plan to overclock, I'd get the OEM CPU and get a good CPU cooler


yeah it seems all those CPUs can OC a lot on air...so I will probably do just that.
April 5, 2008 3:15:55 AM

Anyone else want to enlighten me on "best bang for buck" for:

- Case:
- RAM:
- CPU:
- MOBO:

Also, I would really like a new monitor and have no idea where to figure out which is best for its price.
April 5, 2008 4:05:41 AM

Case : go with antec 900 if ya want to OC, you add 2 optional case fan and you will have a good airflow

CPU : e8400 is the best bang for the buck for gaming and if you plan to play AoC for a while it won't use quad core at all + im currently running it on a P4 3.0Ghz @ 3.35Ghz ( my ram is crap.... ) and it run great

RAM : check with Mushkin HP/Patriot Extreme/Crucial Ballistix/Corsair XMS2 for a 2x2Gb DDR2-800 kit 4-4-4-12 ( just OC it to around 900-1000 with the e8400 400-500mhz FSB is easy ) ( right now patriot is the cheapest in canada for 77$ the 4gb )

MOBO : GA-P35-DS3L can support to OC pretty good, and if ya don't care about RAID it's perfect

Monitor : Get the Samsung 2253BW or LG W2252TQ, probably 2 of the best monitor out there ( there's a sale at FutureShop for 269$ on the samsung i think )

And never use SLI or CrossFire beside you have money to waste, they are not the best bang for the buck and will never be.

Also, get a good tier1/2 PSU
April 5, 2008 4:31:21 AM

Since Intel is going to be changing from the slot 775 processors this year I would have thought it best to bite the bullet and get the best CPU you can afford because in 3+ years it will be cheaper (bang for buck if not literally) to buy a completely new system than to upgrade. (At least that was my recent experience going from a pc bought 4+ years ago) That extra processing power could postpone your upgrade an extra year.

Personally I'm looking to get a q9450. I've seen it advertised at $326.89 plus shipping (not yet in stock :(  ). We'll see how long it takes the Egg to drop it's price once these things are more readily available. (NCIXUS.com still had some last I checked for $364.42) I bet by May this will be your best choice.

Mobos: x38/x48 seem pretty sweet but I'm not sure they're worth 100+ extra dollars over the gigabyte p35 board everyone raves about on here. The 2 pci-e x16 slots are nice in theory but I'm not convinced that companies are going to see many folks go the sli/crossfire route. Plus it doesn't look like there will be a change from pci-e X16 slots anytime soon and the video card will probably be the easiest part to upgrade as needed. (DAMN you AGP for abandoning me...) Then again, I'd check back in May. The x38/48 boards might be more affordable then...

Just a couple of thoughts from an amateur...
April 5, 2008 4:40:38 AM

kilorth said:
Case : go with antec 900 if ya want to OC, you add 2 optional case fan and you will have a good airflow

CPU : e8400 is the best bang for the buck for gaming and if you plan to play AoC for a while it won't use quad core at all + im currently running it on a P4 3.0Ghz @ 3.35Ghz ( my ram is crap.... ) and it run great

RAM : check with Mushkin HP/Patriot Extreme/Crucial Ballistix/Corsair XMS2 for a 2x2Gb DDR2-800 kit 4-4-4-12 ( just OC it to around 900-1000 with the e8400 400-500mhz FSB is easy ) ( right now patriot is the cheapest in canada for 77$ the 4gb )

MOBO : GA-P35-DS3L can support to OC pretty good, and if ya don't care about RAID it's perfect

Monitor : Get the Samsung 2253BW or LG W2252TQ, probably 2 of the best monitor out there ( there's a sale at FutureShop for 269$ on the samsung i think )

And never use SLI or CrossFire beside you have money to waste, they are not the best bang for the buck and will never be.

Also, get a good tier1/2 PSU


Thanks, I'lllook into all you said...I still think Quad-core might be better for me though, even if e8400 runs games better...I'm willing to take a slight hit on frames per sec if I can increase the life my PC w/ Quad-core.
April 5, 2008 4:44:44 AM

Sundog said:
Since Intel is going to be changing from the slot 775 processors this year I would have thought it best to bite the bullet and get the best CPU you can afford because in 3+ years it will be cheaper (bang for buck if not literally) to buy a completely new system than to upgrade. (At least that was my recent experience going from a pc bought 4+ years ago) That extra processing power could postpone your upgrade an extra year.

Personally I'm looking to get a q9450. I've seen it advertised at $326.89 plus shipping (not yet in stock :(  ). We'll see how long it takes the Egg to drop it's price once these things are more readily available. (NCIXUS.com still had some last I checked for $364.42) I bet by May this will be your best choice.

Mobos: x38/x48 seem pretty sweet but I'm not sure they're worth 100+ extra dollars over the gigabyte p35 board everyone raves about on here. The 2 pci-e x16 slots are nice in theory but I'm not convinced that companies are going to see many folks go the sli/crossfire route. Plus it doesn't look like there will be a change from pci-e X16 slots anytime soon and the video card will probably be the easiest part to upgrade as needed. (DAMN you AGP for abandoning me...) Then again, I'd check back in May. The x38/48 boards might be more affordable then...

Just a couple of thoughts from an amateur...



yeah I agree...I am liking the Q9450...a little expensive tho (hence why I am considering Q6600 for $199 at microcenter, down the street)...but I am considering it (hope it goes to around $280 in late May). x38/48 boards are nice, and I also will be checking its price in May - if its significantly more than p35...I'll just get the p35 in mid/late May.


Anyone got anymore MONITOR recommendations?
April 5, 2008 5:39:35 AM

qmalik said:
Anyone got anymore MONITOR recommendations?


Any half-decent CRT, unless space, transportability or massive magnets (such as guitar amps close-by) is an issue. Best value, latency, colour quality, contrast, precision and refresh rates you can get. You'll also get much better resolution scaling. If you want widescreen, over 21" size, or resolutions higher than 2048x1536, you should probably stick to LCD, though. (You don't really need large monitors unless you don't sit close to it, though, because they'll just decrease your real-life field of view, disadvantaging you in games; it's easier to see everything on the screen when it's smaller, or you're further away.)
April 5, 2008 8:20:51 AM

Poobah said:
Any half-decent CRT, unless space, transportability or massive magnets (such as guitar amps close-by) is an issue. Best value, latency, colour quality, contrast, precision and refresh rates you can get. You'll also get much better resolution scaling. If you want widescreen, over 21" size, or resolutions higher than 2048x1536, you should probably stick to LCD, though. (You don't really need large monitors unless you don't sit close to it, though, because they'll just decrease your real-life field of view, disadvantaging you in games; it's easier to see everything on the screen when it's smaller, or you're further away.)


Yeah space is an issue for me..I got to stick with LCD for now....just trying to find a real good bank for buck monitor. Good monitors are expensive (>.<)
April 5, 2008 8:36:33 AM

My Current Thoughts (subject to change by May):

- Case: Still unsure...so many random bargains - that this changes a lot ($75-100)
- RAM: 2x2gb 1066 FSB ($75-100)
- CPU: Q6600 G0 ($200)
- MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ($100)

Estimate: ~$450-500 worth of upgrading...look good? I guess I can figure out what monitor to buy in the near future.

PS: How is 2x2gb vs 4x1gb ram? performance-wise. Also, I am looking for DDR2 1066 FSB - correct? (for optimal performance) or is 1333 FSB possible for me?
April 5, 2008 9:33:34 AM

No one else has asked, so I will. Exactly what power supply do you have?
April 5, 2008 1:11:09 PM

qmalik said:
- MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ($100)

Someone from another forum just told me:
Quote:
The DS3R supports both DDR2 and DDR3, better on-board audio (for those that don't want to spend the money on a card), better LAN controller, 8 SATA ports instead of 4, including 2 RAID, higher overclockability, larger northbridge cooler and 8 rear USB instead of 6. And for the greenies out there, energy saver features. :>

There also looks to be some limitations with the DS3L's maximum memory speed, but i haven't bothered to look into that any further

So you might want to consider the DS3R again.

I'm also curious about the RAM. I was going to get 4GB DDR2 800MHz, but if it's better value to get 1066MHz then I'll consider that instead.
April 5, 2008 3:17:37 PM

qmalik said:
My Current Thoughts (subject to change by May):

- Case: Still unsure...so many random bargains - that this changes a lot ($75-100)
- RAM: 2x2gb 1066 FSB ($75-100)
- CPU: Q6600 G0 ($200)
- MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ($100)

Estimate: ~$450-500 worth of upgrading...look good? I guess I can figure out what monitor to buy in the near future.

PS: How is 2x2gb vs 4x1gb ram? performance-wise. Also, I am looking for DDR2 1066 FSB - correct? (for optimal performance) or is 1333 FSB possible for me?



For case, consider this midtower:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's not the biggest or have the most fans, but the mesh is full of holes, like a speaker cover, and should let air pass through.

2x2gb is ideal. 4x1gb leaves you no room for upgrade. Needing 8gb seems unthinkable now, but 3 years ago, 4gb is unthinkable. Performance wise, there's no noticable difference. You should go for the 1066mhz ddr2 ram. Although 800mhz is better bang for the buck. Keep in mind that some 1022 models are actually factory oced 800 models, and will not oc any further.

P35 motherboard runs at 1333mhz fsb natively, and is good to 1600mhz fsb oc. Some people ran a few select boards at 1800mhz, but it's shaky. 1600mhz fsb = 3.6ghz (400x9) on Q6600, 3.2ghz (400x8) on Q9450, and 3.0ghz (400x7.5) on Q9300. The low 7.5 multiplier is one of the reasons I didn't recommend the Q9300 over Q9450 or Q6600. For higher overclocking, you should get a x38 board, which rans at 1600mhz fsb natively, and is good to 2000+mhz, but cost $100 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 5, 2008 4:47:57 PM

if your just overclock a bit & got 8800GT, buy (if you are able) the pci-e 2.0 sli mb (not the best oc), or the pci.e 1.1 sli mb, so you'll just have to buy another clone next time you need fps fix. :) 
April 5, 2008 5:11:03 PM

chuckm said:
No one else has asked, so I will. Exactly what power supply do you have?


Earthwatt 430W...which is actually enough (and supposed pretty decent PSU) - from what I have read. I only have 1 8800GT. I got the PSU for like...$30 a while back...
April 5, 2008 5:15:39 PM

Poobah said:
Someone from another forum just told me:
Quote:
The DS3R supports both DDR2 and DDR3, better on-board audio (for those that don't want to spend the money on a card), better LAN controller, 8 SATA ports instead of 4, including 2 RAID, higher overclockability, larger northbridge cooler and 8 rear USB instead of 6. And for the greenies out there, energy saver features. :>

There also looks to be some limitations with the DS3L's maximum memory speed, but i haven't bothered to look into that any further

So you might want to consider the DS3R again.

I'm also curious about the RAM. I was going to get 4GB DDR2 800MHz, but if it's better value to get 1066MHz then I'll consider that instead.


interesting...I'll look into the DS3R now.
April 5, 2008 5:18:28 PM

dagger said:

P35 motherboard runs at 1333mhz fsb natively, and is good to 1600mhz fsb oc. Some people ran a few select boards at 1800mhz, but it's shaky. 1600mhz fsb = 3.6ghz (400x9) on Q6600, 3.2ghz (400x8) on Q9450, and 3.0ghz (400x7.5) on Q9300. The low 7.5 multiplier is one of the reasons I didn't recommend the Q9300 over Q9450 or Q6600. For higher overclocking, you should get a x38 board, which rans at 1600mhz fsb natively, and is good to 2000+mhz, but cost $100 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


OK, so let me get this straight. If I get a P35...the max speed of RAM I should get, if I am not overclocking is 2x2gb 1333 FSB - correct?

ARG - wait...

DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)

DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

So the only way I can run RAM at 1333 FBS NATIVELY is to have a MOBO that runs on DDR3?

GA-P35-DS3L

Memory
Number of Memory Slots 4×240pin
Memory Standard DDR2 1066
Maximum Memory Supported 8GB
Dual Channel Supported Yes

Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type LGA 775
CPU Type Quad-core / Core 2 Extreme / Core 2 Duo / Pentium Extreme / Pentium D
FSB 1333/1066MHz


So....GA-P35-DS3L max ram speed is DDR2 1066 natively. I don't get were you got 1333 FBS? Unless, you are talking about the CPU.... I'm a little confused.


OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... -- $99

Is this my best option with the GA-P35-DS3L ?
April 5, 2008 5:30:24 PM

If your not overclocking the max speed RAM is DDR2 1066. 1333 is FSB of the MOBO not the RAM.
April 5, 2008 5:32:39 PM

1333 mhz is only 333 FSB so it equals 667 mhz memory. If you plan to take a quad core, go for only 800mhz, you should be able to hit a 1:1 ratio with an OC to 400mhz

1066 memory is pretty useless and is by far not the best bang for buck since most of the time it's factory OC'ed ( i saw lot of native 800 beat in max OC native 1066 so )


Get good 800mhz 4-4-4-12 timing 2x2GB
April 5, 2008 5:33:12 PM

dagger was refering to your CPU not your RAM.
The DS3L does not support DDR3. Stick with DDR2
April 5, 2008 5:36:35 PM

spotless said:
if your just overclock a bit & got 8800GT, buy (if you are able) the pci-e 2.0 sli mb (not the best oc), or the pci.e 1.1 sli mb, so you'll just have to buy another clone next time you need fps fix. :) 


good point. do u know of any real advantage to pci-e 2 now or in the future?
April 5, 2008 5:37:07 PM

level101 said:
dagger was refering to your CPU not your RAM.
The DS3L does not support DDR3. Stick with DDR2


oka thats what I thought.
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