@ unclefester
I think AMD has learned the hard way, and their new offerings to the CPU realm will come when they're solid and sure they have a winner, completely free of any errata bug that could damage the release.
As for me I'm a long time as they say AMD fan, as I am loyal to the AMD camp simply because I choose to be, AMD in the past has rocked Intels world down to its foundations, and I'm waiting for history to repeat itself.
Does that mean I'm suffering because I'm not running the fastest available CPU at the time? Absolutely not! My setup does everything I need it to do, Period, I have the luxury to wait!
Personally I believe AMD will have its day once more, and Intel showing its lack of concern is usually when it happens, just exactly like ATI spoiling Nvidias ruling crown, so the same with AMDs cpu line.
So its obvious it won't be by Christmas, but thats good news, don't rush anything now AMD!, release your killers when you're good and ready, our day to luagh in Intel fan faces, is coming!
Just mark this in your mind and remember I said this, it will be sweet! Ryan