Nehalem: The End Of Mainstream Overclocking?!

Check it out: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] &Itemid=35

If this turns out to be true then prepare your pockets. I expect at least a 50% performance increase in order to spend more than U$1000 on the mobo + CPU. But, anyway, perhaps the uber-enthusiasts don't mind spending U$1000+ *only* on a Core 2 Extreme. Overpriced chipset + Overpriced processor + Overpriced memory = Overkill.

Let's pray that they decide to put the integrated memory controller into the "mainstream version" (which is unlikely).

Maybe they have a lot of ppl cooking their cpu's and trying to RMA them...if that's the case, I'd lock them too.

SABOT chill. And you spelled 'chocolate' wrong under your avatar. lol.

Yep, it's a good time to scream "WTF!". But knowing enthusiasts, fanboys, and rich kids, this will not decrease their sales.

This might give AMD a chance to hit back. I'm pretty certain AMD will leave the ability to overclock on their Denebs. We can only wait.

Yep.

That prob is true, but then maybe amd can catch up (relative to performance at a lower price of course, not absolute performance)

Hey people? Why are you taking a fudzilla article to be the truth? you have to be kidding right? Fudzilla goes along the same lines as the Inquirer. I think you guys need to take that article with a grain of salt before you take as gospel.

If this story did in fact turn out to be true, I think I'd end up going back to AMD. (I'm on my first Intel CPU ever). I'd like the "ability" to OC if I wanted to. Not to mention I can't afford the highest of high end systems anyhow.

I agree with sacre, we need competition to promote research and keep prices down.

Fudzilla is not a good source of information why do people still post crap from there. Usually there is a hint of truth in their articles but for the most part thats all that place is....a haven for spreading FUD.

Im sure Intel will lock down their budget and mainstream CPUs eventually. On the other hand, im sure they are not going to leave the overclockers out to dry. Maybe now they will give people a reason to buy a more expensive CPUs, perhaps similar to black edition processors from AMD, not just a single $1,000 CPU. Right now you can go out and pick up a 2.4Ghz Q6600 and overclock it to what is im sure better performance then we will see from their first next gen CPU offering.

Its too early in the year to be worrying about this stuff anyway, seriously. This stuff isn't even coming out until late this year, probably early next year anyway.

lol. Well, about Fudzilla: they have been pretty accurate regarding the news about Nehalem and GPUs. They talked about Tylersburg and Larrabee very soon, just as The INQUIRER (say what you will, but it turned out to be "true" ). The INQ had an article about "many Intel mini-cores, called Larrabee" back in 2006.

Oh, and BTW, can you find many Q9450s and Q9550s around?! O.O And I'm not talking about just 10 of them at some freaking website (actually, I have never seen a Q9550 ANYWHERE). The 45nm Quads *ARE* delayed. Q1 had just a paper-launch for those nice investors.

It's just speculation, anyway. But that's the way the world goes on.

Could it be that maybe cpus arent that great anymore? Until multithreading becomes reality, cpus seem to be slowing down. Now if this is true, Intel shows just how powerful they are. Look at USB3, another potential for Intel to show its strength. And yes, lets not forget who declared the gpu dead, and then went into investing billions of dollars into graphics., like that flew over everyones head? Intel, the sleeping giant, dont wake em, cause this time they may be going after YOU

I guess there is such thing as future-proofing now.

Hows this for a possibility? Say its true. 45nm Intel chips are hard to find, especially higher cpus. Lets say they want to clean up that market. How? Elimanate ocing on the new Nehalem, allow ocing 45nms to sell down, once sold down, create another "new" Nehalem one that oces, but good ol Intel "listens" to its customers. Bait n switch

A couple more quick points:

1) Show Fudzilla some love. They do a decent job, and they probably do no worse than any other specialty news media that tries to stay at the cutting edge of news events.

2) I like to think Intel won't outsmart themselves out of pure arrogance. But my analysis is that this is exactly what happened with the e8400--they drank their own KoolAid about the overwhelming superiority of quad cores, and thought "in 2008 how could anyone settle for a measly dual core, thus we must price our lowly dual core 3 GHz 45 nm chip at $185 and only make a few of them." They could have sold them for $299 and sold out of them, for the level of performance they deliver.

3) Moral of the story; this is a very realistic scenario.

OK, heres whats going on. Theyve moved the north bridge on die for the lynnefield chips. No ocing from them. Period. However, on the Bloomfield, theyve actually created a special northbridge as well as chip (Bloomfield) for the enthusiast. My quesion is, how exspensive will being a cpu enthusiast become when using Intel products?

Im thinking about making a post about Nahalem saying, is Nahalem going to a be haves or haves not solution? Itll all come down to how much. Intel is greedy. Success has run its course. Instead of making less money, and doing everything "Bloomfield", theyre trying to milk the enthusiast community. Im afraid as I said earlier, enthusiast may become LEETness

@amdfangirl...

I just wondered if you are related to jewel, because your crayon guitar resembles her crayon guitar, it's uncanny !

@Husky McTarFlash, yeah, it's what overclockers and Linux users do, try to get their computer to go faster...personally, I actually use mine to do things with...ironic.

Songwrite/singer. Shell save your soul

Yea but Jewel is cool too. Who will save your soul...good music

I have to comment on the "paper launch" of the 45nm's.

Available for the last month at Microcenter, the Q9450 for $299 was a good deal, and still available. I got mine the first day, returned it 5 days later for another one, as the original had a stuck temp sensor.


And the Wolfdales are everywhere on these forums, getting awesome overclocks with very little voltage or heat.

Maybe Intel said WOAH!

Giving everybody a Corvette for the price of a sedAN was a bad business move. Anybody can OC a $200 cpu to way past the speed of a $1100 unit.

Intel has tried to do this in the past.
Usually, it was because people were OCing chips, then charging more.
I agree with trying to curb that type of ripoff.
Most OCers who burn a chip, own thier problem, and pay for a new one. Intel would rather sell two chips, than get a little extra for one.
If, and it is a big IF, intel tries to prevent OCing, there is probably a great reason.
I think it is because smaller processes are likely to fry without warning, if too much voltage is used.
If Intel does go that route, they will leave some kind of workaround. They have too many friends in the OC community.

The lynnfield has many advantages for mainstream, power being one, costs another. Bloomfield will be good hopefully for enthusiasts if theres a dedicated push from Intel etc. But itll come down to costs. Im thinking its not like a EE type thing. Itll be variable, but expensive, as therell be fewer mobos made for this platform, being as exclusive as itll be, so thatll cost more, then theres the system Ram, will there be advantages to that as well? If so, the demand will be so small theres another higher cost, and finally we come to Intel itself. Will their low/mid Bloomfields be expensive also? Edited for spell

I have to comment on the "paper launch" of the 45nm's.

Available for the last month at Microcenter, the Q9450 for $299 was a good deal, and still available. I got mine the first day, returned it 5 days later for another one, as the original had a stuck temp sensor.


And the Wolfdales are everywhere on these forums, getting awesome overclocks with very little voltage or heat.

Maybe Intel said WOAH!

Giving everybody a Corvette for the price of a sedAN was a bad business move. Anybody can OC a $200 cpu to way past the speed of a $1100 unit.

While that makes sense, I wonder what percentage of Intel CPU users actually overclock their processors. I'd image a very tiny percentage, so I don't see how Intel's bottom line is affected by people getting more performance than they've paid for.

EDIT: fixed frack'd grammar.

Here's a new bit of info if anyone hasn't seen it yet.
http://www.expreview.com/img/news/ [...] ield1b.jpg

Two things interest me about this slide. The first is the bit about the ability for quad graphics. I'd be interested to know if this is for Nvidia graphics or ATI graphics. The second is that the memory bandwidth is less that I have been hearing. This slide suggests that the memory bandwidth is 16 GB/s per direction for 32 Gb/s total. That's about 20% slower than HT 3.0 . Of course this slide could be fake as I don't think the reliability of these Chinese sites has been established yet. I will say that I found the link to this on Fudzilla so that alone should call into question the validity of this.

The memory bandwidth is triple channel DDR3-1333 for a total of 32GB/s. That's 32GB/s of memory bandwidth to the CPU. It has nothing to do with the bandwidth of Quick Path or anything else.