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Low Budget Business Build $600 Suggestions?

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April 12, 2008 7:31:33 PM

Hello everyone of TH. I am builing a new system for my moms Business. (Hair Salon) and would like to hear your suggestions/what you guys think.

There old sytem is an OLD Windows 98 machine, and its about ready to poop out on them lol :D 
So they really need somthing new. They are going to upgrade there software to somthing compatible with windows xp. Currently they are using software called proslalon.


It needs to be rock solid stable, and inexpensive, ~$650 including moniter/keyboard/mouse.
This system will run about 12 hours per day, every single day of the week. They use it to keep track of clients Phone Numbers/Address ext.
The software they run doesnt need anything powerfull, just a basic single core cpu ext.

I have looked at dells and hp's offerings, but they are a little bit more expensive compared to what i have thrown together here.

Motherboard: ABIT NF-M2SV AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I decided to go the AMD route, since it is a budget build. Inexpenive, good onboard sound/video, relable company.
$50

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This comes with a combo deal on one of the HDD's im buying. This is a good cpu for there needs.
$55-$10 Combo=$45

Memory: CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
1 Gig of some good old Corsair valueselect memory. $17?! Not a bad deal at all.
$18

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB (x2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wester Digital, SATA, cheap, 80 GB is more than enough. I have 2 listed for raid Mirror. So that incase one drive fails, i can simply boot off the seconde one on site, and keep businiss going. I will back up everything to dvd's AND external HDD for more protection of course.
$82 ($41 Each)

Case/PSU: COOLER MASTER Elite RC-330-KKR1 Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here is where i am a little bit lost. I am on a tight budget here, so cheap is what i need. I know this PSU is tier 5, but at least it has a brand name on it. This case has pretty good looks. Should i buy a better PSU? I mean, i know i should but it so darn expensive. The cheapest Good Quality PSU i could find is ~ $50, not including a case!!
Any suggestions here?
$55

Moniter: Acer AL1717 FB Black 17" 5ms LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 800:1 Built in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Built in speakers, cheap, good reviews from what i have read online. I know, the speakers suck, but i just need somthing to be able to hear error codes ext. Nothing fancy.
$160

DVD Drive: SAMSUNG Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I know, a dvd burner. There so cheap nowadays lol. I need a dvd burner to back up stuff to dvd. What do you think? I have this same burner istalled on my own rig, and i love it.
$27

Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional With SP2C - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since they are a business, of course they are going xp pro. I doubt they software they will upgrade to will support vista, so im going with xp pro just to be safe.
$140

Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Internet 350 Black 104 Normal Keys 8 Function Keys USB Standard Desktop Mouse Included - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cheap, brand name, what more could the need. $14? Not bad at all. They could reuse there old keyboard/mouse, but if there getting a nice shiny black lcd, might as well have a nice keyboard/mouse to go with it instead of spoil everything with a beige colored stuff.
$14

Grand Total(Shipped/with tax): $640.72
So that about sums it up. What do you guys think? All input appercaited.

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April 12, 2008 8:44:23 PM

Configured a Dell with 19" and XP for $700

e2180
2GB of RAM
250GB HDD
DVD+RW

Also, unless they run multiple computers and a server on a network, you really don't need XP Pro. Home and Pro run all the software the same.
April 12, 2008 8:55:51 PM

Good build..quite economical...though why don't u get a Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200.10 for $65 instead of two 40 GB WDs for $80 .. i doubt if the HD will fail.
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April 12, 2008 8:58:50 PM

runswindows95 said:
Also, unless they run multiple computers and a server on a network, you really don't need XP Pro. Home and Pro run all the software the same.


why not just download a bootleg copy of XP? or just slip a copy out of the store under a heavy leather coat?


I'd get a 780g based board. it should be lower power with better graphics than your selection.

also, get a micro case for the micro board. no sense wasting space.
this one looks good, small, and would seam to have a decent psu (antec 80+)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 12, 2008 9:10:19 PM

Thanks for all the input guys.
The reason for going with those HDD's is because of cost/reliability. Even though it would be nice to go with the 7200.11's, it would raise the cost too much. $65x2=$130 instead of the orginal $80 cost.

@groo, we like to keep things legal here. Thanks for your suggestion though. And the software that they run is not graphic intensive at all, so a 740G board will do just fine. And a 780G uses more power then a 740G. The case you suggested is nice, but is unforunalty too much money. Ill talk to the client to see if she is willing to fork out a few more dollars.

@runswindows95, can you give me a link to that please?

Thanks a bunch for the help so far you guys!
Any more suggestions?
April 12, 2008 9:25:00 PM

you can tell if its a cheap PSU by the red voltage switch. the better PSUs don't need the switch they can handle a range of voltages.
April 12, 2008 9:29:21 PM

Thanks for the tip groo.
I will probably change that CPU.
April 12, 2008 9:36:39 PM

Wow thats a good deal!
But by the time i add xp pro, and a second hdd, and shipping, and tax, it comes out to much more than the one from newegg. Thanks though.
April 12, 2008 9:39:12 PM

soz, double post.
April 12, 2008 9:39:18 PM

groo said:
you can tell if its a cheap PSU by the red voltage switch. the better PSUs don't need the switch they can handle a range of voltages.



Well, they do, or not. 110v is a big diference from 220v. And Russia uses another one i think. Ive seen very good PSUs ( redundant PSUs) server wise with voltage switch.

About the XP Pro, sorry mate, you will need to use it, not because you need to be legal (Home Edition would do the Trick) but because of the Raid 1. XP Home from what ive tried doesnt work with Raid 1 Arrays. Raid 0 its fine.

On the rest, well you could do a cheapest build BUT the Hardware would suck and wont be stable/last the time your mom want him to last.

So far seems good to me.
April 12, 2008 10:59:40 PM

radnor said:
Well, they do, or not. 110v is a big diference from 220v. And Russia uses another one i think. Ive seen very good PSUs ( redundant PSUs) server wise with voltage switch.


maybe old design would be a more accurate statement. in this segment old tech = cut every corner possible.

robust power suplies can handle the big difference and still give clean consistant power. in other words they would be more resistant to failing in a minor brownout too, even a "local" ones caused by heavy draws from hair dryers and the like.
April 12, 2008 11:01:20 PM

hmm thanks alot for the help guys
but do you guys think ill be fine with that psu? I know it is powerfull enought, but will it likely blow out after about 5 years of heavy usage?
April 12, 2008 11:08:56 PM

just be sure it is standard ATX if your concerned at all about quality, then it can be replaced easily
April 12, 2008 11:46:59 PM

Your PSu might last 5 years, but hey, if seen very expensive PSU failing after 1 year, and 10€ PSUs running high for loads of time. As groo said, dont worry much, it can be replaced easly.

This system Gets my Hi5 for its use.
April 13, 2008 4:43:00 AM

Cool thanks for the great suggestions so far guys. Do you think the coolermaster psu is better quality than some other low end psu such as say a gigabyte or a foxconn? I noticed that most of the psu's that come with cheap cases are from some noname brand. But the cooler master case has a cooolermaster brand psu. Do you guys think it would be better quality than those nonames?

Thanks again you guys for all the great help you guys are awsome.
April 13, 2008 11:42:50 AM

Yup, always go for the branded PSUs in this case. They'ill probably be the same, but they have much less "corners cutted". Especially under load, even mild load.
April 13, 2008 1:55:22 PM

runswindows95 said:
Configured a Dell with 19" and XP for $700

e2180
2GB of RAM
250GB HDD
DVD+RW

Also, unless they run multiple computers and a server on a network, you really don't need XP Pro. Home and Pro run all the software the same.



For office use, this IS THE BEST answer in the whole thread.
Building piece by piece a new inexpensive office machine is completely ridiculous, IMHO.
April 13, 2008 2:00:16 PM

Good thinking on the RAID-1; that's just the situation where it is warranted.
If you can swing it though, I'd still get a dual-core CPU. The machine will have anti-virus and other background processes that will really slow down a lowly Sempron.
That included PSU only has one SATA connector. For a machine vital to business, I don't think you want a real cheap one.
Having to get a monitor is what really blows the budget here. Can they re-use anything from the old system?
April 13, 2008 3:00:35 PM

Quote:
You could save another $20 by going with this mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Thanks for the suggestion, but I have heard too many cases of ECS Motherboards dying after just a few months. I think I spend the extra $20 to get a good reliable Gigabyte.

About getting a dual core, I found this combo deal,

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor Model ADA3800CUBOX
+
Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

-$10.00 Combo

=$86.98

That makes the dual core about $15 more then the single core. And thats the same HDD I was originally planning on going with so it works out. Thanks for the suggestion jtt283.
I edited the OP.
April 13, 2008 4:06:48 PM

Slickdeals.net has a dell q6600 quad core system listed for $460 after $310 discount plus a coupon rebate. It comes with 3 gigs of ddr2 and your choice of vista or windows xp. Add a monitor for around $190 and you are close to your budget.
April 13, 2008 4:58:02 PM

I'd recommend changing the CPU to this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The one you linked to is the cheapest, but it is an old 89W processor. This one is a tiny bit more expensive but it is a 65W which will reduce heat (which is good for a small case) and waste less power.
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