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April 23, 2008 3:13:37 PM

Computer spec:

-NZXT Apollo gaming tower case.
-AMD Phenom X4 9600 Quad-Core w/ HTT.
-Kingston (1024MB X 4) PC6400 DDR2-800.
-Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe nForce 570-SLI MCP Chipset.
-ThermalTake MaxOrb, NZXT 600W PSU, NZXT LCD Meter.
-19" HP w1907, Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit.
-XFX 512MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 670 MHz.
-Sound Blaster Audigy SE, Logitech Z-2300 2.1.
-Hitachi SATA 500GB HDD 7200 RPM.

Before:

No pic, but only scored 5700 ish.

After: with Phenom TLB patch disabled, nVidia control panel set to full performance and power setting set to performance.



Really low for my computer. Some told me it is because of my MB is only AM2 and not AM2+ and some said my power supply. Help please.

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April 23, 2008 3:20:51 PM

Your CPU score is really low. As to why, I am not sure. What resolution are you running 3DMark at? My x2 4000+ with a slight OC gets about 1900 in the CPU score. That is at 1280x1024.

Run CPU-z and let us know what it says for your CPU speed. I wonder if the CPU is throttled down in power saving mode.
April 23, 2008 3:26:43 PM

something is seriously wrong unless you are using all custom settings (aa/af). i have the free version and therefore can only use defaults. i have a s939 with opty 180 @ 2.7 and an 8800gt and i get 8900. With the amd 64 4000+ and a 7950gt they replaced i got about 4500. i am also using xp sp2 if that helps.
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April 23, 2008 3:27:58 PM

I will run it at home and post it. I run the 3DMark at default at 1280 X 1024.
April 23, 2008 3:29:20 PM

MayDay94 said:
something is seriously wrong unless you are using all custom settings (aa/af). i have the free version and therefore can only use defaults. i have a s939 with opty 180 @ 2.7 and an 8800gt and i get 8900. With the amd 64 4000+ and a 7950gt they replaced i got about 4500. i am also using xp sp2 if that helps.

What is aa/af? How do I change these settings? Sorry. I'm a Nub when it comes that this sort of stuff.
April 23, 2008 3:38:16 PM

Your PSU is fine even though its not the best brand.

Your AM2 mobo doest have enough Hypertransport (FSB) to run the phenom full blast.

AM2 and AM2+ are based on the same size socket but AM2+ processors such as your Phenom have a higher Hypertransport.

Make sure you can see all 4 cores in windows task manager. Is your windows a fresh install or a implant from old system? If its old reinstall it, if not then you need a mobo with 2600MHz hyper transport.
April 23, 2008 3:42:04 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Your PSU is fine even though its not the best brand.

Your AM2 mobo doest have enough Hypertransport (FSB) to run the phenom full blast.

AM2 and AM2+ are based on the same size socket but AM2+ processors such as your Phenom have a higher Hypertransport.

Make sure you can see all 4 cores in windows task manager. Is your windows a fresh install or a implant from old system? If its old reinstall it, if not then you need a mobo with 2600MHz hyper transport.


The AM2 mobo shouldn't kill his performance that bad. Unless there is a specific issue with that board and Phenoms, which I am not aware of. He should most definately be getting a better CPU score than me.

But, Roadrunner is right about the Windows install. If you didn't reinstall windows after changing out your CPU, that could be a problem.
April 23, 2008 3:48:57 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Your PSU is fine even though its not the best brand.

Your AM2 mobo doest have enough Hypertransport (FSB) to run the phenom full blast.

AM2 and AM2+ are based on the same size socket but AM2+ processors such as your Phenom have a higher Hypertransport.

Make sure you can see all 4 cores in windows task manager. Is your windows a fresh install or a implant from old system? If its old reinstall it, if not then you need a mobo with 2600MHz hyper transport.

My computer was build on 3/28/08 with the OEM Vista installed. I have a Window's side bar and it registers all 4 cores. How can I check to really make sure?
April 23, 2008 3:50:08 PM

basketcase said:
The AM2 mobo shouldn't kill his performance that bad. Unless there is a specific issue with that board and Phenoms, which I am not aware of. He should most definately be getting a better CPU score than me.

But, Roadrunner is right about the Windows install. If you didn't reinstall windows after changing out your CPU, that could be a problem.




1000MHz vs 2600MHz is a big difference, especially when your chocking it with four cores.

I'm sure if sidebar registers then its working. Otherwise hit CTRL-ALT-DELETE then taskmanager/performance. You should see four cores there.

What does CPU-Z say your CPU is running at?
April 23, 2008 3:52:17 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
1000MHz vs 2600MHz is a big difference, especially when your chocking it with four cores.
1000MHz vs 2600MHz is a big difference, especially when your chocking it with four cores.

I'm sure if sidebar registers then its working. Otherwise hit CTRL-ALT-DELETE then taskmanager/performance. You should see four cores there.

What does CPU-Z say your CPU is running at?

So...dump my current MB for a new AM2+ one? Pricy and a pain for someone like me. I will have to check CPU-Z when I get home.
April 23, 2008 3:53:40 PM

I thought it was 2000mhz (2x1000) vs 2600Mhz. That isn't that big of a difference, considering the 2000 mhz was never even close to beng tapped by the dual cores.

The original HT on the 754 boards was 1600 (2x800).
April 23, 2008 3:57:59 PM

basketcase said:
I thought it was 2000mhz (2x1000) vs 2600Mhz. That isn't that big of a difference, considering the 2000 mhz was never even close to beng tapped by the dual cores.

The original HT on the 754 boards was 1600 (2x800).



Its 2x1000vs 2x2600 which is a big difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want better 3dmark06 score get a required board! If your happy with your system performance dont! With that board there is nothing you can do to increase your performance.

It would be like putting a 1333MHz FSB CPU in a 800 MHz motherboard on a intel machine. Stupid and pointless that is why no one does it.
April 23, 2008 4:05:06 PM

Lesson learned. Don't order from iBUYPOWER w/o researching first. They had the mobo as an upgrade for the Phenom even though it isn't AM2+. is it easier to install a new mobo or processor. I don't really have the use for Quad so I can prolly step down to Dual. Just need easiest and less painful solution. And yes...I can probably just run my computer as is for now.
April 23, 2008 4:08:12 PM

The HT on AM2+ is 3600mhz total. AM2 is 2000mhz total.

This should not be affecting his score so badly that he is getting less than my x2 4000+ in the CPU score.

OP, run CPU-z and let us know what speed the CPU is running at.
April 23, 2008 4:08:17 PM

Leave it as is and read some forums until you feel comfortable building your own system, then do what you got to do.

Its real simple to do either one. To change the cpu you might have to pull mobo out any ways depending on the type of heat sink.

Make sure to ground yourself by touching the outside of the case before you reach inside.
April 23, 2008 4:13:37 PM

basketcase said:
The HT on AM2+ is 3600mhz total. AM2 is 2000mhz total.

This should not be affecting his score so badly that he is getting less than my x2 4000+ in the CPU score.

OP, run CPU-z and let us know what speed the CPU is running at.



For someone who "Builds PCs" you dont have a clue!

Here is some examples class 101!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
FSB 1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s)



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
FSB 2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s)

BTW: your computers are ugly and overpriced! :kaola: 

Phenom runs 3600 Hypertransports So if you put it on a board with ony 2000 then your nuts to think it wont affect performance, not to mention it is four cores chocking down its throat instead of 2.

April 23, 2008 4:18:13 PM

RoadRunner - Can you suggest me a new mobo that is AM2+? Thanks.
April 23, 2008 4:23:43 PM

Also...I was told to d/l the newest driver from nVidia version 174.74 but when I enter 32-Bit...it only gives me version 169.25 for my 8800GT???
April 23, 2008 4:25:16 PM

For the driver its probably under BETA tab. I will look at mobos and tell you what one I would get. One sec.
April 23, 2008 4:25:57 PM

Phenom
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

X2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


See the specs on the Phenom CPU linked. I think that is the same one that the OP has.

You are right about the mobo having different speeds. Some of the Phenoms actually have a 4000mhz ht speed. I think the 9850 does.

We are just talking about different things. But, the point remains that even though it is on a lesser bus, it won't kill the performance down to what it is. It will affect it some, but it would be more like a couple hundred to maybe a 1000 points in the overall 3DMark06 score. Something else is going on in the case. It is either clocked down in power saving mode, or the bios needs to be updated, or just an incompatability in between the CPU and mobo.
April 23, 2008 4:27:33 PM

Ok...found it on the Beta. Do I need to d/l the driver, delete old driver, reboot and install new one?
April 23, 2008 4:29:19 PM

that's because the 169.25 are the latest that are WHQL certified. you can get the 174.74's but they are beta drivers

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_174.74.html

*edit* that's what i get for actually reading the whole topic instead of just the last post...my reply is a day late and a dollar short...sigh
April 23, 2008 4:29:27 PM

Check out this person's post:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1250313

I know it is not an "offical" benchmark, but they have the same mobo and are getting over 3k for a CPU score with a phenom.

Quote:
Phenom runs 3600 Hypertransports So if you put it on a board with ony 2000 then your nuts to think it wont affect performance, not to mention it is four cores chocking down its throat instead of 2.


You are wrong to think that the 2000mhz ht was ever maxed out. They increased the size of it on the AM2+, but it was never really close to being fully utilized with dualcores. There will be a difference, but it isn't massive.

And there was no need to get personal about this. I never took a shot at you...
April 23, 2008 4:39:17 PM

Maybe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... if you want to go dual graphics you migh want to look at a different one, but this one would work with your GPU, CPU, and ram. The highend ones look like xfire and no sli, so you might want to consider that also.

Just get one that dont need extra upgrades like better ram and such with the FSB 2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s) and specs that you need.

Dont ever expect to see 3dmark06 score like the q6600s ans q9450s that are overclocked.

With a new mobo you might get to 11000ish but I wouldnt hold my breath. 10000 is probably more realistic.
April 23, 2008 4:48:14 PM

Thanks all. I will research more and if I'm truly unhappy with performance...I will have to get a new mobo that is AM2+.
April 23, 2008 4:49:29 PM

Get us that CPU-Z shot maybe thers something to tweak in the bios or even a bios update that will help out some.
April 23, 2008 8:24:00 PM

I am pretty syre that your core is not coming out of power saving mode when you run 3DMark. I would go into your computer's bios and turn off cool and quiet. Then when you reboot, run CPU-z again. The core speed should be back up to normal. Then rerun 3DMark and let us know what you score.

I am really curious how your Phenom in an AM2 board is going to do. I bet you are going to score over 10k... maybe even 11k.
April 23, 2008 9:00:46 PM

Your CPU should be running 2300 not 1155.3. I agree with basket disable cool and quiet and you might have to manually change the core speed to 2300. You will get alot of points from 3dmark06 one you get that core speed where it needs to be. Not as much as a AM2+ board but way better then now.
April 23, 2008 9:04:41 PM

How do I do that? I'm stupid when it comes to tweaking with computer stuff. Any help is appreciated.
April 23, 2008 9:22:45 PM

It'll be a setting in the BIOS, not sure which menu it'll be under, but I believe it is called "cool and quiet".

Were those screenies taken at idle or under load?
April 23, 2008 9:24:55 PM

When you boot your computer, you need to press the button (usually del or f1) to get into the "setup" or "bios".

Once you are in the bios, you need to find the cool n quiet function and disable it. It is usually in the section called "Advanced Chipset Features" or something like that. Poke around in the various menus and you will likely find it.

Make sure you tell us the score, I really want to know what it does at regular speeds.

April 23, 2008 9:30:17 PM

Just noticed...

Your memory settings screen shot doesn't look correct. Seems to me like you should be running better than 5-10-5-17 at 400 mhz; that's even worse than the SPD tables for your memory (next screen shot). I thought most 400 mhz memory ran @ 4-4-4-12, 2t.

According to the SPD table listed by CPU-Z you should at least be at 5-5-5-18.
April 23, 2008 9:41:10 PM

firebird said:
Just noticed...

Your memory settings screen shot doesn't look correct. Seems to me like you should be running better than 5-10-5-17 at 400 mhz; that's even worse than the SPD tables for your memory (next screen shot). I thought most 400 mhz memory ran @ 4-4-4-12, 2t.

According to the SPD table listed by CPU-Z you should at least be at 5-5-5-18.


The 4-4-4-12 timing memory is more expensive. The 5-5-5-18 is the "value" ram, though that doesn't mean it is poor.

Firebird is right about your timings, though. They look messed up. You should be able to adjust your memory timings in the bios as well.

If it is set to auto, set it to manual and try to match it up to what is listed in the table (screen shot) under 400 Mhz.

If it is not set to auto right now, and those are the timing set manually, change it to auto.

Unfortunately, I don't know exactly where you will find these settings in your bios or exactly what they will be called. But, they will be there.
April 23, 2008 9:58:58 PM

Cool and Quiet was already disabled. Now what?
April 23, 2008 10:12:11 PM

So I tried the manual edit the RAM and now my computer won't boot. What do I do now?
April 23, 2008 10:21:38 PM

Set your CPU frequency to 2300 manually and set your ram timings manually. If its to hard to figure out I would be happy to try to help on the phone. Or if possible send it back t oIbuypower and get a less complicated system.

What you are experiencing is rare. You probably need a mobo update to recognize your setup better. So you would need to flash Bios.
April 23, 2008 10:24:11 PM

Roadrunner - I change my RAM setting and now all I hear is the fan at full speed...no picture from monitor. What should I do?
April 23, 2008 10:27:36 PM

What did you change it to?

To get it back you unplud power supply from wall and turn system on to drain power, then clear the cmos with the jumper like it says in your manual.

Move the jumper back to normal and plug power back in and it should boot.


Do you no what bios version you are running?
April 23, 2008 10:29:48 PM

I changed it to 5-5-5-18.
April 23, 2008 10:34:13 PM

You need 1302 or higher version bios for 9600 Phenom support.

What is your ram rated at: if you dont know give me the exact name so i can look it up. You will probably need more then stock voltage since you have 4 sticks.

If you need help I can call you, if your in US or canada.
April 23, 2008 10:36:39 PM

I just looked at Bios for your mobo 1404 is the newest beata bios. Odds are your Bios is not supporting your hardware.
April 23, 2008 10:45:46 PM

CPU-Z says I'm on version 1404
April 23, 2008 10:46:36 PM

The CL is 6 so I think 6 6 6 18 "someone correct me if I'm wrong" ram is not my specialty. Also you need 1.8volts and probably 2.1 for four sticks.
April 23, 2008 10:48:31 PM

Only thing left is to try to leave all ram on auto except voltage to 1.8 for starters and set cpu frequency manually.

Cpu needs fixed before we set ram.
April 23, 2008 10:50:00 PM

Can you run me though via phone? I will PM you.
April 23, 2008 10:50:48 PM

OK im downloading your manual right now.
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