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Hi Im thinking about replacing my graphic card 7300 GT with GeForce 8800GT or 9600GT
my configuration is Pentium D presler 3.2 GHz 1 GB DDR2 667 MGz. Will be enough to handle new graphic card ? or it will be botleneck
Thx


Message edited by MikeMK on 04-23-2008 at 07:21:39 PM
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Your CPU will be a bottleneck as will your 1GB of RAM if you plan on playing games.

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Regardless, every CPU creates a "bottleneck" of some sort. It is just that older CPU's tend to hinder the GPU more than a better performing one. As you climb into the higher end CPUs there really is much less of a bottleneck created and no real benefit to having the top dog CPU to make your games look good.
A 8800GT will still run much better than a 7300GT but you will be held back by your CPU. I'd go for the 8800GT over the 9600Gt unless you are constrained by cost. It's worth the extra money for the 8800 though.
Save your $$ for a better mobo and CPU after that. What mobo do you have? some of the 775 socket boards will run a Core2 800MHz CPU with a BIOS update. It would be work checking out as those CPU's are Cheapo.

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Is your 7300GT a PCI-E x16 or AGP? If it's AGP, you probably don't have a PCI-E x16 slot and will need a new motherboard.

What kind of PSU do you have? The 8800GT consumes more than the 7300GT.

If you go for the 8800GT, I suggest picking one with a dual-slot cooler. Or even better an 8800GTS 512MB.

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I dont worry about my 1 Gb DDR2 ram. DDR2 ram is very cheap so i can buy another 1 GB so that's not a problem. Sure i need new PSU my is 380W or smth like that... mother board is with chipest i945G so it has PCI express slot about 8800GTS 512 forget it :) cuz it's expensive where i live. So if i want to change the CPU sure im gonna need to change my mother board too so that's a lot of money :/


Message edited by MikeMK on 04-23-2008 at 08:15:47 PM
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What 945G motherboard do you have? most of them will accept a Core2 CPU and you won't have to bother with a motherboard.

Yeah, you will want a better PSU for the 8800GT though. Is it a brand name computer or a built one?

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OK, so I guess it looks like this:
- step 1: 8800GT+PSU
- step 2 (later): MB+CPU+another 1GB of RAM. Look at GA-P35-DS3L.
- step 3 get a faster HDD like the Seagate 7200.11 320GB.

Even if the 8800GT is bottlenecked by the old CPU and lack of RAM, I think it will still make a big difference.

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Well on everest it says chipset of the motherboard Intel Lakeport-G i945G.
I serched on intel site but no 945 chipset support C2D procesor if im not mistaken.

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That's a solid motherboard. I wouldn't get "another 1GB" or ran. You pay as well just get 2 or 4GB of DDR2 800 or higher memory.

I wouldn't go by what Everest is telling you. its probably a board using the 945G chipset, but you may have to crack your PC open and look to see what brand and model it is. All the 945G chipsets I see support a core2.

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Are we talking about an HP/Dell/Gateway machine here? If yes, give us the model number.

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Well im not strong in money... but i think i have for ram and GPU but very hard for new CPU anyway

thx for your help jay2tall and aevm. i'll keep that in mind

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MikeMK wrote :

Well im not strong in money... but i think i have for ram and GPU but very hard for new CPU anyway

 

thx for your help jay2tall and aevm. i'll keep that in mind

 


GRRR!!!!! give me the model or motherboard brand.... let me finish my suggestions here.... GRRR! answern aevm and me !!


Message edited by jay2tall on 04-24-2008 at 04:30:26 PM
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it's Foxconn 945G7MA
Computer it's not some well known brand like Dell,HP....
It's build one

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MikeMK wrote :

it's Foxconn 945G7MA
Computer it's not some well known brand like Dell,HP....
It's build one


Great Thanks!

Yeah i looked it up and that is the ONLY Foxconn 945G motherboard model that doesn't support a Core2. Sorry I really just wanted to check.

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There seem to be 5 models that are all called 945G7MA + something or other, and FoxConn doesn't claim Core 2 compatibility for any of them. This doesn't mean it wouldn't work, but I wouldn't count on it.

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/sear [...] ey=945G7MA

Oh well, you can just upgrade the PSU and GPU for now and you'll still see a big improvement in games. Later when you have saved $300 or whatever you can take care of the rest, for example with a GA-P35-DS3L and a Q6600.

Edit: jay2tall answered first, I hadn't seen the reply above this one. So, it's sure that the board won't work with Core 2?

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Message edited by aevm on 04-24-2008 at 05:55:29 PM
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aevm wrote :

There seem to be 5 models that are all called 945G7MA + something or other, and FoxConn doesn't claim Core 2 compatibility for any of them. This doesn't mean it wouldn't work, but I wouldn't count on it.

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/sear [...] ey=945G7MA

Oh well, you can just upgrade the PSU and GPU for now and you'll still see a big improvement in games. Later when you have saved $300 or whatever you can take care of the rest, for example with a GA-P35-DS3L and a Q6600.

Edit: jay2tall answered first, I hadn't seen the reply above this one. So, it's sure that the board won't work with Core 2?


Yeah now that 2 of us say so. The GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L is so freakin' rock solid. I dunno about that Q6600 though... I'd get a e8400 or something. Who needs 4 cores yet? unless you are encoding or something.

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jay2tall wrote :

That's a solid motherboard. I wouldn't get "another 1GB" or ran. You pay as well just get 2 or 4GB of DDR2 800 or higher memory.

 

Take his advice and heres the product.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231098

 

2x1GB 800Mhz $47 Free shipping. NICE

 

Edit, just found this. If you want to go ALL out this is awesome.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820211188

 

4GB(2x2) 800Mhz $76 Free shipping. NICE


Message edited by bildo123 on 04-24-2008 at 06:39:00 PM
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Yeah, the E8400 is better if this is a gaming machine, true. It's $20 less too :)
MikeMK, I suggest you find some of the threads comparing E8400 and Q6600 and see which fits you better. The E8400 is better for some people , while the Q6600 is better for others. For example the E8400 is better if you play games, don't play FSX or Lost Planet, and don't do video encoding.

I found some even nicer deals for RAM, but you have to trust mail rebates.
Crucial Ballistix, $25 or $31 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820146565
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148076

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Thx a lot
Well Q6600 is still too much for me for this time and i havent seen any E8400 in our stores. I dont buy via net :( that's my country.
Thx again

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Can you find an E6750 then?

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Sure it's around 160 euros but still i need new motherboard for that processor

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aevm wrote :

Yeah, the E8400 is better if this is a gaming machine, true. It's $20 less too :)
MikeMK, I suggest you find some of the threads comparing E8400 and Q6600 and see which fits you better. The E8400 is better for some people , while the Q6600 is better for others. For example the E8400 is better if you play games, don't play FSX or Lost Planet, and don't do video encoding.

I found some even nicer deals for RAM, but you have to trust mail rebates.
Crucial Ballistix, $25 or $31 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820146565
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148076


I know supreme Commander benefits from a quad core as well. One of the guys at out monthly lan had an e6600 and went and replaced it with a q6600 and when we asked him "WELL! does it run faster?" he just grumbled and said "not really but SupCom flied now". We all just laughed cause we all told him he doesn't need it and he should replace his 19"LCD with a 22 or 24" wide screen. Dumbie!

Yeah and you want to know the REALLY sad thing. I bought that set of Crucial Balistix PC6400 a year and a half ago and it was $300 with a $100 mail in rebate, so it was a great deal. About 6 months ago I bought another set for $90 with $30 rebate, so it was $60. NOW it's $25 after rebate? You know it sorta makes me want to cry. :(

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It's sad for the shareholders, yeah. As a consumer I love the trend. I honestly think it will end soon, unfortunately. AFAIK the low prices on DDR2 now are happening because RAM manufacturers expected Vista to be fabulous and to generate lots of demand.

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aevm wrote :

It's sad for the shareholders, yeah. As a consumer I love the trend. I honestly think it will end soon, unfortunately. AFAIK the low prices on DDR2 now are happening because RAM manufacturers expected Vista to be fabulous and to generate lots of demand.


Are you a stock broker? haha sorry had to ask

Yeah I tell people to buy RAM now while it is cheap. It won't get any cheaper for DDR2 RAM.

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For me it's sad cuz i bought my computer last year, it's not even 1 year old then "ddv" (dunno how to write in english) droped from 19% to 5% for all computer components and whole prices fell down, if i had those money now i would've buy computer with E6750 on it 3Gb ram and GeForce 8600GT :( that configuration is amazing performance - price

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I'm guessing your DDV is a sales tax or some customs tax. See the bright side, at least it went down, not up.

Nope, I'm not a stock broker. Computer programmer. I own shares of both INTC and AMD and got burnt with both :(

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Computer parts depreciate in price faster than you can blink. I'm willing to bet your system didn't cost tons of money, compared to other and whoever build it put some cheaper parts in it and now you are feeling it a year later. That's why I always steer people to build it themselves or have someone build it for them if they are a gamer at all. Anyone who builds a decent system will make sure you are have the hardware you need and even if you have to upgrade a year later you don't have to upgrade everything at once. Like I just upgraded my video this year, I built my PC a 1.5 years ago and had a $350 video card, sold it for $100 on ebay. Its a horrible market, but things are getting cheaper, but must be replaced more frequently.

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Yup that's it. Thx. but on the dark side will i ever get another computer... ever cuz im about to graduate and then go to collegue (i hope so) so i wont have time for that :(
Thx again for the advices i really apreshiated aevm and Jay2Tall

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Well dunno how it's in your country but i see by your computer components you spend lot's of money on them (here we can dream about those unless someone dont buy Alienwere on internet). In my country you can hard find any GeForce 8800 GTX or Ultra and imposible to find 9800 GX2.
My computer wasnt so cheap but i have 4 computers in my home so that's lot's of money spent on computers :)

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MikeMK wrote :

Yup that's it. Thx. but on the dark side will i ever get another computer... ever cuz im about to graduate and then go to collegue (i hope so) so i wont have time for that :(
Thx again for the advices i really apreshiated aevm and Jay2Tall


Oh man I gamed more in College than I do now! haha. We use to all be on the college network and since each housing complex was a separate subnet we all sat around and played Diablo 2 or other games. Fun they were so much. (that one was for you Yoda)

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LOL. I'm still playing Diablo 2, after 8 years :)

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aevm wrote :

LOL. I'm still playing Diablo 2, after 8 years :)


Didn't they get Diablo 2 to run on the Asus Eee Laptop? haha

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:) well the College im planning to go it's pretty hard. My friend says i could lose my health there :) bcz there is nothing there but studying but i wont go there without computer

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