Interesting 3-way SLI 8800 Ultra vs Quad 9800 GX2

[L1qu1d]

I was surprised by how well the Quad was doing

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=541&pageid=1

 

[dagger]

I was surprised by how well the Quad was doing

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=541&pageid=1

Don't be surprised. The old 8800ultra still run on the old g80 gpu. The only reason it's even in the same league is because they gave it huge memory bandwidth, and overclocked the poor g80 as far as it could possibly go. Then they crippled the far more potient g92 core in 8800gt/gts and 9800gtx/gx2 by giving them half memory bandwidth. Now they're comparing them.

I'd like to show you that benchmark where an oced g92 8800gts beats the 8800ultra (at stock, of course, because it's already factory oced to the limit). But can't seem find it right now...

 

[L1qu1d]

well no I'm just shocked because the 9800 GX2 has problems, and it did very well for the first set of drivers.

Look at the review day, March 24.

I'm happy about my investment now. I have mine clocked at 750, 1200 now works great!

 

[dagger]

well no I'm just shocked because the 9800 GX2 has problems, and it did very well for the first set of drivers.

Look at the review day, March 24.

I'm happy about my investment now . I have mine clocked at 750, 1200 now works great!

When the competition use the not quite obsolete, but still outdated and outgunned g80, it's not much to be proud of.

 

[L1qu1d]

I think it is. I mean tri sli Ultras cost more than 9800 GX2s

Tri 9800 GTX cost less but are weaker....sooo I think the dual GPU 9800s were a step up. the 9800 is just a 8800 GTS 512 higher clocks

 

[ryanthesav]

Crysis would still blow it out of the water at 1920x1200.

 

[L1qu1d]

yes but crysis is just a crappy game lol So I don't really bother hahaha

 

[Crazy-PC]

What I really feel interest is 3 way SLI 9800 GTX vs 2 x 9800 GX2 as the price of 3 x 9800GTX is still much lower than 2 x 9800GX2.

 

[L1qu1d]

the 9800 GTX isn't as good as the 8800 Ultra, thats why I didn't bother looking for it.

1 9800 GTX is 300$

3 9800 GTXs = 900$


2 9800 GX2s = 1200$ which is basically 4 9800 GTXs (slightly down clocked)


The performance of the 9800 GX2s in sli are higher considering that my 9800 GX2 is clocked to match 2 9800 GTXs

Anyways you do the math.

 

[hughyhunter]

I'm very interested at enthusiast level 3dmark06 scores with the 9800GTX/9800GX2 single/dual/tri sli! Anyone have any results? Just interested. I am very impressed with the 9800GTX Zotac AMP version, and to say that these puppies can get to 800mhz core no problem? That's pretty good!

 

[hughyhunter]

the 9800 GTX isn't as good as the 8800 Ultra, thats why I didn't bother looking for it.

1 9800 GTX is 300$

3 9800 GTXs = 900$


2 9800 GX2s = 1200$ which is basically 4 9800 GTXs (slightly down clocked)


The performance of the 9800 GX2s in sli are higher considering that my 9800 GX2 is clocked to match 2 9800 GTXs

Anyways you do the math.

Sorry... Have to disagree! a single 9800GX2 will not beat out 9800GTX in SLI... reason being is because of the stock 600mhz clock on the GX2. Keep in mind that the 9800GTX is stock clocked at 675mhz. Also it has more slightly more bandwidth at 73.6gb/s.

I do however believe that 9800GTX in Tri-SLI wont perform on the same level (near the same but just not as close) as two 9800GX2. Reason being is not only are there four GPUs but the 9800GTX will be limited in that third slot by a few percent due to 8 lane bus.

 

[L1qu1d]

Read what I wrote again : The performance of the 9800 GX2s in sli are higher considering that my 9800 GX2 is clocked to match 2 9800 GTXs

 

[L1qu1d]

As for 3Dmark06 I don't really care about that. The program is really CPU reliant and the 3870 X2 beats the GX2...but it doesn't in real games...so I dunno.

 

[hughyhunter]

Read what I wrote again : The performance of the 9800 GX2s in sli are higher considering that my 9800 GX2 is clocked to match 2 9800 GTXs

You can do the same thing with the stock 675mhz 9800GTX. Overclock it to well beyond 750mhz and close to 800mhz. Without spending more on additional cooling for the GX2 you cant get those speeds. Plus you would be looking at a volt mod. So hands down the 9800GTX in SLI is faster than a single 9800GX2. Especially for the price! Not to say that your card isnt awesome... It is!

As for 3Dmark06 I don't really care about that. The program is really CPU reliant and the 3870 X2 beats the GX2...but it doesn't in real games...so I dunno.

I wasnt asking if anyone cared about scores. I was asking if anyone has been messing around with this benchmark out of my own curiosity. If you don't care fine. I was interested!
I wasn't aware that the 3870X2 beat out a GX2. That doesnt make much sense to me considering two 8800GTS will beat out two 3870 in Crossfire.

 

[L1qu1d]

Well its a weird outcome for me as well.

As for the oc of the GX2 it can't match up to the 9800 GTX ocing, but it wasn't meant to. It already has an extra card advantage when in SLI. The 9800 GTX in SLi would cost more atleast from what I saw.

I really am curious to see why the 3870 X2 out performs the GX2 by almost 1000 in 3Dmark on the same computer.

The top Computer to run 3Dmark has a 3870 X2 with a score of 32,000 or so, check it out at Futuremark website.

I get around 18000 with my GX2. I get higher with a CPU overclock but I don't feel like stressing it too much.

BTW

hows the raptor X? Worth it? Does it look all that? or should I stick to Reg? Its only 20$ less.

Let me know thnx!!!

 

[leo2kp]

It only beats it in 3DMark.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Wait for the G200, itll eat Crysis for lunch and still heading for Korea....

 

[hughyhunter]

@ L1qu1d
yeah... this is strange! The GX2 single card record is 30k. I think that score with the 3870X2 is two cards. Something about two GX2 not scaling right or something like that (just read it at xtremesystems.org)

That score is good... I get just over 19k with a really high cpu overclock.

The raptor is loud IMO. I would have rather had two big 7200.11 in RAID 0. The velocoraptor is supposed to be more quiet but very $$$$. The clear case... I cant see it. It was only $5 diff for me when I got it. Oh well... It was cool to look at when I first hooked it up.

 

[tjoepie]

The thing for me is also real game benchmarks, what do I care if some other test is faster, I won't play 3Dmark, I'll play Crysis etc.

I'm wondering how the HD4870 will do with 1gb DDR3 or DDR5 per GPU next month. How will it use that memory. Will it beat the 9800gtx with only 512mb with enough margin to keep ATI on top for a while? How will it cope with Crysis, with still half the TMU's of the 92 core? But this is double the TMU of the 3870, so it should help a lot.

The new raptor, velociraptor is for sale next month and will beat all other SATA harddisks for 300$/euro. I'm getting one of those new raptors for OS, programs and games. It's expensive but if you compare it to what we spend on gfx... The HD is usually a bottleneck so I want to spend something for that. A cheaper 500GB 7200.11 will be for data.
Raid will help the throughput of data but not the access time.

May will be an exciting month for new releases ;-)

 

[tjoepie]

Sorry, I was a bit of subject

I agree that 2 GTX's will be faster than 1 GX2 since they are essentially the same, except that the gtx will OC higher since it can be better cooled.
Just look at the side openings in the GX2, it even needs to blow hot air inside the case. That's bad news for other hardware so I'd get 2 GTX's.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Just look at the 3870. I know its not exactly apples to apples, but look what happens when you put the 3xxx series in Xfire. Theres no longer the AF problems. Going by that, you can see what the 32 TMUs will do for the 4xxx series. Plus faster core, a few tweaks, and the best parts? If they use it right, the GDDR5 and the shaders 200mhz over clock speeds

 

[hughyhunter]

The HD is usually a bottleneck so I want to spend something for that. A cheaper 500GB 7200.11 will be for data.
Raid will help the throughput of data but not the access time.

May will be an exciting month for new releases ;-)

I've found this to be continually true with all the games that I play. I have one Raptor X 150gb. I bet two would be great... but two of the new velocoraptors would be awesome. Cant wait to see them on the charts.

Just look at the 3870. I know its not exactly apples to apples, but look what happens when you put the 3xxx series in Xfire. Theres no longer the AF problems. Going by that, you can see what the 32 TMUs will do for the 4xxx series. Plus faster core, a few tweaks, and the best parts? If they use it right, the GDDR5 and the shaders 200mhz over clock speeds

This is true... I really have been waiting and waiting for game/benchmark results for CrossfireX. I mean... I was expecting weeks ago to see real benchmarks of quad 3870X2... that's 8 GPUs. I want to see this! I want to know how CrossfireX is doing but havent seen anyone try.