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April 25, 2008 1:25:33 AM

And it doesn't fit in my Machine.. Needless to say I'm extremly disapointed and I find it extremly frusturating that there's no measurements on the cards ANYWHERE so you have to buy it and chance it. I've been wanting to play Age of Conan, been following the game for over 3 years now and it's out next month and I've been REALLY excited about it. I even got into a Beta last weekend, and it's nearly unplayable on my Machine because of the Video Card.. I'm about ready to cancel my pre-order because this card doesn't fit and it's killing me inside.. Does anyone know any worthwhile cards that aren't huge? Thanks.. v.v

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a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2008 1:34:06 AM

So much whinning and so little information.

Here's an Idea, buy a bigger case. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]
April 25, 2008 1:35:17 AM

Sorry, it was just a bit of a rant as I'm a 15 year old running on an allowance and I've been saving for the card for half a year only to have it not work. :)  What more information could you want?
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April 25, 2008 1:36:28 AM

Scykoh said:
And it doesn't fit in my Machine.. Needless to say I'm extremly disapointed and I find it extremly frusturating that there's no measurements on the cards ANYWHERE so you have to buy it and chance it. I've been wanting to play Age of Conan, been following the game for over 3 years now and it's out next month and I've been REALLY excited about it. I even got into a Beta last weekend, and it's nearly unplayable on my Machine because of the Video Card.. I'm about ready to cancel my pre-order because this card doesn't fit and it's killing me inside.. Does anyone know any worthwhile cards that aren't huge? Thanks.. v.v



The problem would be your case. Even the largest graphics card in existance will fit in any midtower atx case that's sold as standalone parts. Those things are standardized.

You're probably using a nonstandardized case from one of those companies like HP. Cards are getting bigger, it's the overall trend. There are single slot versions of comparable cards, but they're just as long, so if it's the length, you're out of luck.

Which card is it?
April 25, 2008 1:49:49 AM

Does anyone have any suggestion for a good case, good price, that can fit my 8800GT? Also, it included a power supply wouldn't hurt as mine is only 450 watts. =)
April 25, 2008 1:57:08 AM

Scykoh said:
Does anyone have any suggestion for a good case, good price, that can fit my 8800GT? Also, it included a power supply wouldn't hurt as mine is only 450 watts. =)

This is the case I use. I have a slightly larger g92 8800gts, so your card will definately fit. No psu on this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can get something else though. Those things are standardized, and any midtower atx case should do.

Case with 550w powersupply.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There should be better deals though. Shop around.
April 25, 2008 2:14:57 AM

Okay. Do you think I NEED 550 watts? I re-checked and found out mine is actually only 400! I was planning on buying a 500 watt. I don't plan on ever running an SLI set up, atleast not with this machine, so for a single card do you think 500 watts is enough?

I was looking around and these 2 cases caught my eye as they come with a 500 watt power supply AND have a very good price after MRI, are these any good?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks for the help. :) 
April 25, 2008 2:20:57 AM

Scykoh said:
Okay. Do you think I NEED 550 watts? I re-checked and found out mine is actually only 400! I was planning on buying a 500 watt. I don't plan on ever running an SLI set up, atleast not with this machine, so for a single card do you think 500 watts is enough?

I was looking around and these 2 cases caught my eye as they come with a 500 watt power supply AND have a very good price after MRI, are these any good?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks for the help. :) 

A lot of people say RAIDMAX psus are crap and die on you. I have no experience with it though.

400watt may be enough, depending on 12v rail ratings, and of course, your other components. There's more to a computer than just a video card. Post specs.
April 25, 2008 2:22:30 AM

The Cooler Master RC-690 is a great case but if a new one is out of your price range you might want to consider this http://cmusashop.coolermaster-usa.com/catalog/product_i...

Chances are that the PSU with your HP wouldn't be able to handle a 8800GT anyway so you would be better off with a new one. I would go with something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Both of those together after MIR would be around $82 and you would have a great case and a solid PSU.
April 25, 2008 2:29:57 AM

Alright, I'll post my specs. First off, keep in mind I don't plan on SLIing, or OCing anything. =)

Processor: DualCore Pentium D, 3GHZ
Motherboard: Asus P5LP-LE
RAM: 2GB DDR2
Monitor: 20 Inch, 1400x1050 Max Resolution
Hardrive: 300GB (Don't know speed, sorry.)
Operating System: Windows XP
Power Supply: 400Watt Dynex(Best Buy house brand lol) that's all I know about my power supply, I can't find any more info on it.. =\ So I'll probably buy a new one..
April 25, 2008 2:33:47 AM

Scykoh said:
Alright, I'll post my specs. First off, keep in mind I don't plan on SLIing, or OCing anything. =)

Processor: DualCore Pentium D, 3GHZ
Motherboard: Asus P5LP-LE
RAM: 2GB DDR2
Monitor: 20 Inch, 1400x1050 Max Resolution
Hardrive: 300GB (Don't know speed, sorry.)
Operating System: Windows XP
Power Supply: 400Watt Dynex(Best Buy house brand lol) that's all I know about my power supply, I can't find any more info on it.. =\ So I'll probably buy a new one..

Open the case and look at the side of your powersupply. There should be a label on it. Look for the 12v rail rating.
April 25, 2008 2:37:15 AM

Okay I'm an absolute NOOB with power supplies I have no idea what I'm looking for.. I see alot of 12s but what am I looking for?
April 25, 2008 2:46:12 AM

Scykoh said:
Okay I'm an absolute NOOB with power supplies I have no idea what I'm looking for.. I see alot of 12s but what am I looking for?



It'll say 12 volt rail. Or just copy down everything in the small chart on there.
April 25, 2008 3:16:04 AM

Alright, looks like 2 12V rails, one 14A, the other 15A. My friend keeps suggesting this 700 watt power supply w/ 4 18A 12v rails, but do I really NEED all that? I want the bare minimum to run my system, saving money. :)  I don't plan on upgrading this machine any more
April 25, 2008 3:16:24 AM

OP: You realize your profile says you're 19.

I digress.

Anyway, I think an Antec NSK3480 would be the perfect case & PSU combo you need (assuming we decide your PSU is undersized/junk).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or an Antec NSK6580
http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-new-solution-series-chass...
Both come with good Antec Earthwatts PSUs (380w and 430W, respectively) with good rail ratings (28A and 30A IIRC). I've seen a review that an Antec Earthwatts 380 can handle an 8800GTX, so it definitely has the guts for an 8800GT.
April 25, 2008 3:24:17 AM

I'd guess you have ~24A on the 12V rail (combined is not both added together). Is there a model number on it? I'll look up the rail rating for you. 99% sure you'll need to replace it.

No, you will not need a 700W PSU (unless it's a junk brand that inflates the 'overall' wattage, which I wouldn't recommend anyway). Any good brand (Antec, Corsair, Enermax, Seasonic, FSP) with at least 28A on the 12V rail will be fine. Here are a couple resources:

Tiers -
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10...

Jonny Guru -
http://www.jonnyguru.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1460

Rail Ratings -
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=205763

David Hammocks Guide -
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=...

Get a unit in Tier 1/2 with a rail rating of 28A.
April 25, 2008 3:28:21 AM

It's a Dynex, model: DX-400WPS

Also, sorry about the profile thing, I'm on my older brothers profile who is 19. I am only 15, but I didn't want to wait for my account to be "confirmed" to post, 'cause I'm impatient.. Sorry for the confusion. :p 
April 25, 2008 3:34:11 AM

Yeah. The Dynex needs to go.
April 25, 2008 3:44:11 AM

Doesn't 380 watts seem a little low? I've got people saying 500 bare minimum.. =X Mix reviews are confusing. =P I mean what I've already got is 400 watts..
April 25, 2008 3:52:58 AM

Not all total power ratings are created equal. Please refer to the Rail Ratings link I provided. 28A+ is what you need (of a good brand). Ideally you should have a power supply sized so that it's only at 50% load when you're system is running everything at full utilization. However, you said you wanted to be on the cheap (I can understand as you're 15 years old). The Antec Earthwatts is a good PSU and would be appropriately sized for your system.

I would bet money that your PSU would give out WELL before 400W of load. Just look at the reviews of some of these PSUs:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
April 25, 2008 4:09:25 AM

the great grape your an ass!! he was asking for help. Why don't you go ride on top of a van.
April 25, 2008 4:25:17 AM

good power supply = good pc
Bad power supply = headache

As I have had good luck with my antec earthwatts 500 watt psu I would definitly recomend the line. Heck I tried to buy a 380 watt on tuesday as newegg a promo code for 30 bucks off but the egg wouldn't let me buy it.

The bad news is that your cpu is definitly going to bottelneck that card. Not that you won't be happy with your upgrade but I have a pentium d runing at 3.4ghz and an 8800 gt only get ~7000 3dmark06. Graphics still look pretty good though and my actual framerates aren't too bad.
April 25, 2008 4:30:42 AM

Take that back just bought it (380 watt antec earthwatts) off the egg for 29.99 promo code EMCAECCBA from slickdeals.net
April 25, 2008 4:54:45 AM

If you are needing to save money, go to your toobox, find a hacksaw (dremel would be best), and make some room in that case. (Please take components out first though, haha)

That would save you some money for the powersupply.
April 25, 2008 9:06:23 AM

Scykoh said:
And it doesn't fit in my Machine.. Needless to say I'm extremly disapointed and I find it extremly frusturating that there's no measurements on the cards ANYWHERE so you have to buy it and chance it. I've been wanting to play Age of Conan, been following the game for over 3 years now and it's out next month and I've been REALLY excited about it. I even got into a Beta last weekend, and it's nearly unplayable on my Machine because of the Video Card.. I'm about ready to cancel my pre-order because this card doesn't fit and it's killing me inside.. Does anyone know any worthwhile cards that aren't huge? Thanks.. v.v


THERES LOADS of information about video card sizes, i remember checking mine theres a massive forum thread on another site with many case listings and pictures showing whether a card would fit or not, it even tells you information like "this card will fit aslong as the HDD is moved". since i havnt read all the posts yet, and i dont see what card is stated ill just go off the 8800GTX....

case list....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&t...

heres another
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1115861

and that was a 10sec search on google.... next time especially when your skint DO MORE RESEARCH!

all i can say about PSUs make sure you buy one from one of the reputable companies:

Antec
Coolermaster
Enermax etc


never buy a non-label... i also tend to buy the best one i can get my hands on because PSUs dont get upgraded very often... unlucky for me i bought at the wrong time and they all got upgraded about a month after i got mine.
April 25, 2008 12:44:24 PM

Scykoh said:
Doesn't 380 watts seem a little low? I've got people saying 500 bare minimum.. =X Mix reviews are confusing. =P I mean what I've already got is 400 watts..

That psu may do. Why don't you just try it and see how stable it is, before spending money on a new one. You can always buy another one if it's no good.

Also, that 14/15amps does not make 24amps. There's some loss on rail switching, but what kind of bleeding is that? Unless it's defective, it should be good for 27-28 amps.
April 25, 2008 1:15:55 PM

Someone back me up with article on 14+15|=29. I'm too lazy.
April 25, 2008 1:37:59 PM

Well the PSU is rated at 400W, and 29A combined on the 12V rails is only 348W.

Also, does anyone know if the Dynex is actually crappy? From the specs it looks strikingly similar to this FSP unit.
a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2008 3:34:07 PM

It probably is capable, and likely made by a bigger company like FSP or Enermmax, etc.

DELL and HP usually under rate their PSUs, I would say give it a go, because a cheap 400W PSU is a bad idea, but I doubt HP put a truly 'cheap' PSU in there because it means more headaches for them too.

To the OP, yeah you don't want to scrimp on a cheap half height or low profile card, the GT is a solid card.

I would say try it with the Dynex it may be the equivalent of a higher rated generic PSU. It's still not as great as having the confidence of a true name brand you can easily check, but it should be better than walking into the computer depot and their pile of '400W' PSUs.
a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2008 3:37:00 PM

crazywheels said:
the great grape your an ass!! he was asking for help. Why don't you go ride on top of a van.


Yeah, after I'm done with your ma' eh boyo! [:thegreatgrapeape:1]

The reality, is no info, no help.

I chided him, but he took it in stride and realized bigger case is better than weaker card.

Seems like you're more sensitive to my words than he is.

BTW, what help have you offered other than whining about my comments? :heink: 

a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2008 3:49:15 PM

Looks like he just helped himself to jam on you, and that was all heheh Like the OP, he came in with not enuff LOL
April 25, 2008 4:43:30 PM

OP, please post the number on the PSU directly below this symbol:

This will help determine whether or not you should trust it with your new GPU. The last thing I want to see happen is you fry your pretty new card because of a low quality PSU.
a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2008 7:20:08 PM

29 total amps isnt enough. Just because it says 14 on one 12 volt rail and 15 on the other doesnt mean its 29 total, that just means the most one rail can do is 14 amps, the other, the most it can do is 15, that doest mean itll ever get that much power to either rail ever, let alone both of them. Your psu is underpowered, You can get by on a 29 AMP on both rails combined. I put the word combined in, cause usually thats the word theyll use to say thats really how much your psu can actually get, but its not what your getting with that psu. One of my psus says it has 19 amps per rail on the 12 volt rail. But Im not getting 38 amps for both rails, Im actually getting 29 amps combined on the 12 v rail.
April 25, 2008 7:55:56 PM

I would be willing to bet the Dynex PSU will handle an 8800GT, but without knowing the OEM or having any reviews nothing is certain.
a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2008 8:24:18 PM

It shows 30 amps on the 3.3volt. 28 amps on the 5 volt. Plus the 29 on the 12 volt comes to a whopping 588 watts on a 400 watt psu. Somethin smells here. All I know is, I wouldnt let it near my 8800GTS
April 25, 2008 8:46:28 PM

Here's the bare minimum I'd be willing to suggest that you get:

CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX ATX12V V2.2 450W Power Supply 90 - 264 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill R604-P SL 120mm Fan ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Reason I chose the case? Free shipping. Since it doesn't have a horrible air flow I think it'd do for what you need it.
April 25, 2008 9:46:06 PM

Just to clear things up, not having enough power won't fry your card, as some people suggest. (please don't spread misinformation) The worst that can happen is it crash and restart your computer under load. If that happens, get a new psu. Doesn't hurt to try it on the old one.
April 25, 2008 10:02:26 PM

grape ape was she any good
April 25, 2008 10:03:11 PM

Thanks for that info dagger. Thats one less worry. I hate misinformation, but it seems to be spreading rampant. I hear so much misinformation from the white house already.
April 25, 2008 10:48:37 PM

No, underpowering a system will not in itself kill the GPU. However, cheap PSUs in general can take out equipment (especially when pushed to their limits), because of ripple, under/overvoltage, etc. I'm sorry I did not clarify this early.
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