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April 26, 2008 2:01:00 AM

Hi.

I've been having a lot of FPS problems with my games, mainly apparent on Counter Strike 1.6. I'm talking like jumping from 100 FPS down to 50, and staying around there. 40 in many cases.

I'm currently running an eVGA GeForce 8800GT, but I highly doubt it's the cards problem, or the severe bottleneck caused by my Pentium 4, since it happened on my 7300 GS as well before I upgraded. I can't figure out what's going on; I keep everything updated, including drivers and whatnot. There are no GPU overheating problems, or any others that I'm aware of. Also, it seems to have started about 6 months ago with my 7300; never had and problems before that.

Specs: Sony Vaio (RB50)

Pentium 4 3.2GHz
2GB DDR400 ram
500W Antec Smartpower psu
GeForce 8800GT (Stock clocks) @ 1152x864

(Yes, I know - P4 and 8800GT. I was planning on building a computer for the card, but ran into some money issues so this will have to do for now).

Any help will be appreciated.

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April 26, 2008 2:03:12 AM

I would think it would be related to the internet connection
April 26, 2008 2:07:13 AM

I have thought about that, but when I set up a game off the internet it's the same issue.
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April 26, 2008 2:41:29 AM

Consider upgrading your processor, mobo and ram.
April 26, 2008 2:42:25 AM

Consider upgrading your processor, mobo and ram.
Or have you installed the latest drivers?
April 26, 2008 2:43:29 AM

DarthPiggie said:
I would think it would be related to the internet connection



I think it's related to your P4, lol... :na: 

What are you thinking putting in a 8800gt with a P4? It's major cpu bottlenecking.
April 26, 2008 5:14:54 AM

yea but for Counter Strike???
April 26, 2008 8:40:47 PM

dagger said:
I think it's related to your P4, lol... :na: 

What are you thinking putting in a 8800gt with a P4? It's major cpu bottlenecking.


Really now :lol: 


Seriously though, I had this problem as well with my old BFG GeForce 7300, that's why I'm led to belive that it isn't due to the massive bottleneck (which I do know is there :kaola:  )

I am running the latest drivers and updates for graphics, Windows, etc.


(And the P4 with 8800GT wasn't supposed to be. I was planning to put it in a self build but hit some financial issues so I decided to use it until I put together my new computer. Still poor at the moment, so I'm trying to make use of what I can.)
a c 130 U Graphics card
April 26, 2008 8:48:31 PM

scorpion2155 said:
Really now :lol: 


Seriously though, I had this problem as well with my old BFG GeForce 7300, that's why I'm led to belive that it isn't due to the massive bottleneck (which I do know is there :kaola:  )

I am running the latest drivers and updates for graphics, Windows, etc.


(And the P4 with 8800GT wasn't supposed to be. I was planning to put it in a self build but hit some financial issues so I decided to use it until I put together my new computer. Still poor at the moment, so I'm trying to make use of what I can.)


Whats your screen size and are you running V-sync ?
Mactronix
April 26, 2008 8:58:35 PM

mactronix said:
Whats your screen size and are you running V-sync ?
Mactronix



It doesn't matter. We're talking about 8800gt running CS 1.6. There's no way it can't max it out on any resolution. And vsync shouldn't drop it down to 40fps.

How are other games running? 40fps is still fully playable.
a c 130 U Graphics card
April 26, 2008 9:50:13 PM

dagger said:
It doesn't matter. We're talking about 8800gt running CS 1.6. There's no way it can't max it out on any resolution. And vsync shouldn't drop it down to 40fps.

How are other games running? 40fps is still fully playable.


How is that response even slightly helpfull ? Its obvious from your post that you dont understand how V-sync works and that it depends on the games you play as to if it even matters at all. Some games are capped bellow what V-sync would give you on a good system, ie the refresh rate of the monitor.
It may or may not have anything to do with the problem scorpion2155 is having. Its called being methodical, you know ruling out the obvious things.
mactronix
April 26, 2008 11:41:01 PM

1152x864, 100Hz, 21" CRT.

Vertical Sync is OFF. The FPS glitches from 100 to 50, 40, 70, etc..., alot of the time stuck around 40-50. VSYNC will lock my fps at 60.

Other games run ok, I don't really have anything to compare them to as I mainly play 1.6, so I can't tell if they have issues or not.

Yes, 40 FPS is playable. But, playing 1.6 online with 40 FPS is garbage; recoil is slow, recovery is slow, aiming is slow.

The 8600GT in my laptop can run this game perfect, 100 fps constant and if I turn it up, 300-350 if I REALLY wanted to. But I really doubt it's the card, because my 7300GS had the same problem before I put the 88 in there.
April 27, 2008 12:07:40 AM

mactronix said:
How is that response even slightly helpfull ? Its obvious from your post that you dont understand how V-sync works and that it depends on the games you play as to if it even matters at all. Some games are capped bellow what V-sync would give you on a good system, ie the refresh rate of the monitor.
It may or may not have anything to do with the problem scorpion2155 is having. Its called being methodical, you know ruling out the obvious things.
mactronix


Trust me i think dagger knows about Vsync as much as the next techie girl does :kaola:  . I can see what your saying, there are games that are capped, I.E. C&C 3(30), Doom 3(60), ect. Anyway, since the GPU is clearly not the bottleneck, the other two important pieces important for gaming is Processor and Ram. Now since we've already looked at the CPU, what ram do you have and how much? It could also have something to do with a fragmented disc.
April 27, 2008 12:10:21 AM

scorpion2155 said:
1152x864, 100Hz, 21" CRT.

Vertical Sync is OFF. The FPS glitches from 100 to 50, 40, 70, etc..., alot of the time stuck around 40-50. VSYNC will lock my fps at 60.

Other games run ok, I don't really have anything to compare them to as I mainly play 1.6, so I can't tell if they have issues or not.

Yes, 40 FPS is playable. But, playing 1.6 online with 40 FPS is garbage; recoil is slow, recovery is slow, aiming is slow.

The 8600GT in my laptop can run this game perfect, 100 fps constant and if I turn it up, 300-350 if I REALLY wanted to. But I really doubt it's the card, because my 7300GS had the same problem before I put the 88 in there.


You mind telling me what processor is on that laptop??If its a Core 2 Centrino, forget it than your P4 is the odvious bottleneck.
April 27, 2008 1:00:57 AM

Vsync can't be the problem, even if it's on. If frame rate is unstable, it's likely the P4 bottlenecking. What are the other games that you ran on it that's ok? CS1.6 is pretty light on the cpu, since it's so old.

It could be software related. Does the hdd become very active on lags? There may be a memory leak, resulting in page file being used. Try running a spyware scanner and see if it picks up anything.
April 27, 2008 1:07:45 AM

Dagger your system is OD. 8GB memory at 4-3-3-12, wow. X38 chipset, pretty expensive stuff. 1TB sheesh. How hot does that 3.6Ghz quad run??
April 27, 2008 1:15:04 AM

DarthPiggie said:
Dagger your system is OD. 8GB memory at 4-3-3-12, wow. X38 chipset, pretty expensive stuff. 1TB sheesh. How hot does that 3.6Ghz quad run??

57/57/55/55 core temps on full load prime95. Yeah, those are unnecessary, but I feel like it. :p 

The 1TB drive is necessary. For downloads and stuff.
April 27, 2008 1:17:07 AM

wow!!!!! very cool temperatures, it must be liquid snake cooled
April 27, 2008 1:18:01 AM

with that system im surprised u didnt go SLI
April 27, 2008 1:35:11 AM

DarthPiggie said:
with that system im surprised u didnt go SLI

Doesn't support sli, only crossfire. And I'm not made of money. Nurse salary isn't high.
April 27, 2008 1:44:35 AM

Last time I checked nurses made a hefty amound. 60,000+, is the IRS robbing you again? that unconstitutional,extornionist, no-better-than-the-mafia organization.
April 27, 2008 1:57:29 AM

DarthPiggie said:
Last time I checked nurses made a hefty amound. 60,000+, is the IRS robbing you again? that unconstitutional,extornionist, no-better-than-the-mafia organization.

Yep, damn irs. And my hospital is ran by the ny state government, so it's only 57k. Cheap bastards.
April 27, 2008 2:01:00 AM

really, awww, and for your hard-earned nurses degree too. 6 years of boring biology, cant stand it,
April 27, 2008 2:04:41 AM

DarthPiggie said:
really, awww, and for your hard-earned nurses degree too. 6 years of boring biology, cant stand it,

It's a 4 year program, even with prerequisites, 5 years covers it.

But we're getting off topic. You ought to help the kid with his CS1.6.
April 27, 2008 2:05:26 AM

lmao, i think we've done all we could, what proc u got in that laptop?
April 27, 2008 2:10:51 AM

The Laptop is the Core 2 Duo T5450 @ 1.66.

The 8800 is bottlenecked; I know that, but I don't think it's the problem. Could be though.

If this is the 8800's bottleneck problem, then forget about it. Try the 7300 now... same issues. Don't think my P4 is bottlenecking a 7300GS. Maybe an issue with the 7300, and coincidentally a bottlenecked 8800?

I'll test both cards in my brothers computer. The 7300 at least, to make sure there isn't an issue with that as well.
April 27, 2008 2:14:33 AM

I thought so, the core 2 T 5450 is much better than that P4 so yes friend, that P4 is definately the bottleneck.
April 27, 2008 2:18:31 AM

DarthPiggie said:
I thought so, the core 2 T 5450 is much better than that P4 so yes friend, that P4 is definately the bottleneck.



Yes, if the p4 bottlenecks, it means it's not enough to run program, and the bottleneck would remain no matter the graphics card.

Still, CS1.6 is pretty light weight. I'm not certain if the p4 is actually too weak for it. You should still check if it's due to software issues.

Which p4 is it? Northwood core? Prescott core? what clock rate? cache size? Not all p4 are the same, and it makes a difference.
April 27, 2008 2:26:13 AM

Prescott I believe. 3.2 GHz, 2 meg cache, 800Mhs FSB, Hyper Threading.

I've been checking around for software issues, but couldn't find much.

The Pentium wouldn't be the problem with this game. The engine came out over 10 years ago and it ran fine on my Pentium 3.

Also, keep in mind this issue was not here before - It started about 6 months ago. Before that, everything ran fine. I've had this computer for 3 years and it hasn't been a problem before.

I'll be putting together my own system as soon as I get some money together though, but until then, I'm working with this.
April 27, 2008 2:40:22 AM

scorpion2155 said:
Prescott I believe. 3.2 GHz, 2 meg cache, 800Mhs FSB, Hyper Threading.

I've been checking around for software issues, but couldn't find much.

The Pentium wouldn't be the problem with this game. The engine came out over 10 years ago and it ran fine on my Pentium 3.

Also, keep in mind this issue was not here before - It started about 6 months ago. Before that, everything ran fine. I've had this computer for 3 years and it hasn't been a problem before.

I'll be putting together my own system as soon as I get some money together though, but until then, I'm working with this.


Ohhh, maybe you shoulda said that b4.hmmm....this is a toughie.....
April 27, 2008 2:43:25 AM

DarthPiggie said:
Ohhh, maybe you shoulda said that b4.hmmm....this is a toughie.....



It was mentioned before.

And I'm out of ideas. :p 
April 27, 2008 2:52:42 AM

I did mention it before :p 

I've tried a few different forums. Noone seems to know what the problem is.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll just throw the cards in different systems to make sure it isn't them when I get the time. I'll probably be getting Vista Ultimate, so when I do I'll just reformat my harddrive, to make sure it isn't the issue.

Now I just need money. :) 
a c 130 U Graphics card
April 27, 2008 9:21:00 AM

scorpion2155 said:
1152x864, 100Hz, 21" CRT.

Vertical Sync is OFF. The FPS glitches from 100 to 50, 40, 70, etc..., alot of the time stuck around 40-50. VSYNC will lock my fps at 60.

Other games run ok, I don't really have anything to compare them to as I mainly play 1.6, so I can't tell if they have issues or not.

Yes, 40 FPS is playable. But, playing 1.6 online with 40 FPS is garbage; recoil is slow, recovery is slow, aiming is slow.

The 8600GT in my laptop can run this game perfect, 100 fps constant and if I turn it up, 300-350 if I REALLY wanted to. But I really doubt it's the card, because my 7300GS had the same problem before I put the 88 in there.


Ok well thats that ruled out then and just for info it dosent just lock the FPS at 60 its a bit more complicated than that especially on a machine that is as lopsided regarding CPU and GPU as yours is.
@ DarthPiggie,
As i already said the understanding of V-sync clearly isnt there otherwise dagger wouldnt have replyed like that. Also i think its extreamly ignorant on both your parts to dismiss another forum member out of hand like that and then go of on your own private little Kudos trip.
@ scorpion2155,
Good luck with the new install hope you get the proplem sorted. :) 
a c 273 U Graphics card
April 27, 2008 9:41:31 AM

@ scorpion2155, What network adapters are you using? if it's the onboard have you tried a cheap PCI one?
April 27, 2008 1:45:16 PM

If it's a networking issue, framerate should have remained high even through the lag.
April 27, 2008 5:38:39 PM

@ Mac: I am aware about VSYNC, I was just saying with this particular game it locks it at 60. Yeah, if I install I hope it solves somthing, but I'll have to wait until I get the OS first.

@Mouse: I am using a PCI network adapter. Even if I run this game in Offline mode, I get the same issues.
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