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K so I'm debating weather to upgrade my liquid cool 8800 GTX to 2 in sli or the (2) 8800 ULTRA LIQUID COOL, or don’t know if to wait for the new 9 series card that might be coming in the near future. What do you guys think? As long as the ULTRA compete for at least 2 years it won’t bother me spending on it. Also the decision need to be made before next week why cause my VOODOO OMEN is going to repair and I'm debating weather to upgrade, NO I DIDN'T PAY VOODOO PRICE SO STOP SAYING I PAID FOR AN OVERPRICE PC, I pretty much paid the price for parts. ANOTHER THING, I LOVE VOODOO LIQUID COOLING SYSTEM AND IF I GET THE NEW 9 SERIES MIGHT NEED TO TAKE IT OUT, which I will hate. Ohh and if I don’t get it I won't know how to set up the water system myself since I am a noob and learning. I also want to add that this setup is being played in a 1900 x 1200 screen. Right now with a single liquid cool 8800 GTX not overclocked 620 mhz core and 975 mhz memory im getting around 23 FPS in crysis in XP setting high.      

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gonefast wrote :

K so I'm debating weather to upgrade my liquid cool 8800 GTX to 2 in sli or the (2) 8800 ULTRA LIQUID COOL, or don’t know if to wait for the new 9 series card that might be coming in the near future. What do you guys think? As long as the ULTRA compete for at least 2 years it won’t bother me spending on it. Also the decision need to be made before next week why cause my VOODOO OMEN is going to repair and I'm debating weather to upgrade, NO I DIDN'T PAY VOODOO PRICE SO STOP SAYING I PAID FOR AN OVERPRICE PC, I pretty much paid the price for parts. ANOTHER THING, I LOVE VOODOO LIQUID COOLING SYSTEM AND IF I GET THE NEW 9 SERIES MIGHT NEED TO TAKE IT OUT, which I will hate. Ohh and if I don’t get it I won't know how to set up the water system myself since I am a noob and learning. I also want to add that this setup is being played in a 1900 x 1200 screen. Right now with a single liquid cool 8800 GTX not overclocked 620 mhz core and 975 mhz memory im getting around 23 FPS in crysis in XP setting high.


Don't upgrade to 8800Ultra, it's still far overpriced for its performance. As you probably already know, there is a very large performance gap between the g92 and g80 gpu. It's not a good idea to get anything with the old g80 gpu. 8800Ultra is just a single g80 pushed to its limit and outfitted with the best possible components. At its core, it's still old and weak.

 

Your 8800gtx's performance in Crysis should be about right. With single g92 8800gts, I get 50+ fps in Crysis on "high" settings (not "highest" ) and the smaller 1280x1024 resolutions in Vista 64bit.

 

Ideally, wait for the 9900 or hd4870 to come out. It shouldn't be long now. If the 9900 use the g200 core as rumored, it should be a monster.


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Yeah we are talking months away.  I am not a fan of the wait around for the next product advice but it sounds like these cards are right around the corner.  

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^^ wait for G200 or RV770 to come. 4870 = end of may/june

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I don’t want to be a pessimist but I was reading some articles when the 8800 ultra was coming out there were promising a monster like the g200. It will really bother me if these new g200 cards are just rumors and will only be a little step up from the current 9 series or even the 8 series. Where can I read more rumor info on this new g200 card? Also do you guys think that I will be able to somehow liquid cool these new g200 card like I said I love voodoo liquid system it will really bother me just leaving 1 GTX liquid cool to later find out that if I would have gotten 2 liquid cool gtx I could have used the same liquid cooling system to cool the g200. I’m telling you guys this because if I leave only the 1 GTX liquid cool and if in the future I decide to upgrade graphic cards I will be force to liquid cool only one and put some nasty fan/heat sink or used a different liquid cooling system to cool the voodoo omen setup and than it won't look like the work of art it looks right now (I don’t want to sound tooooo exaggerated but the voodoo omen looks real clean and nice without cables and **** coming our of every corner, you just have to see it to believe it).    

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wait for 2 months!


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Sale the GTX and buy two 8800GTS 512 (G92) (they are about $200 USD now)...use the Koolance cooler and OC them 800/2400+
http://www.koolance.com/water-cool [...] uct_id=598


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Save your money, unless your a die hard cyrsis fanatic, your not going to see a huge diffrence in performance from what you have now, to the g92.
I would take the wait and see stand here, so far the 9xxx series has shown to not be a jump in technology and performance, more like a hop.


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ZOldDude wrote :

Sale the GTX and buy two 8800GTS 512 (G92) (they are about $200 USD now)...use the Koolance cooler and OC them 800/2400+
http://www.koolance.com/water-cool [...] uct_id=598


Here is the volt mod for the G92 cards:
http://www.overclock.net/graphics- [...] t-mod.html


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K you guys are going off in a tangent here. My question is weather to get ANOTHER liquid cool GTX, just so I can keep the VOODOO LIQUID COOLING SYSTEM TO UPGRADE LATER ON IN A YEAR WHEN THE GRAPHIC CARD LEAP IS NOTICIBLE To the  SLI ENABLE NEW CARDS in a year..SECOND CHOICE IS TO UPGRADE to 2 ULTRA LIQUID COOL GRaphic CARDS, OR  just KEEP MY CURRENT GTX AND UPGRADE WHEN THE NEW NVIDIA 9900 SERIES CARD COME TO THE MARKET and not do THE VOODOO LIQUID COOLING.  
 
Question has possible of 3 answer screw the new rumor graphic cards and get another Liquid COOl GTX just to have your system quiet and liquid cool for the future. SCREW the new graphic cards that no one know about and upgrade to the LIQUID COOL 8800 ultras and sell your current GTX Liquid Cool Card. LAST CHOICE, SCREW THE 8800 ULTRA and the GTX LIQUID COOLING FROM VOODOO. JUST KEEP YOUR Current system (1 LIQUID COOL GTX) and upgrade to the new 9900 series cards when they come out in the future without any VOODOO LIQUID SYSTEM.  

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Seeing as how your seeking advice, and typing in caps at us, because we gave what advice we had, you shouldnt expect a whole lot of great answers from people, calm down, this is not a life or death situation, and your yelling at us isnt going to endure us to you .


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gonefast wrote :

K you guys are going off in a tangent here. My question is weather to get ANOTHER liquid cool GTX, just so I can keep the VOODOO LIQUID COOLING SYSTEM TO UPGRADE LATER ON IN A YEAR WHEN THE GRAPHIC CARD LEAP IS NOTICIBLE To the  SLI ENABLE NEW CARDS in a year..SECOND CHOICE IS TO UPGRADE to 2 ULTRA LIQUID COOL GRaphic CARDS, OR  just KEEP MY CURRENT GTX AND UPGRADE WHEN THE NEW NVIDIA 9900 SERIES CARD COME TO THE MARKET and not do THE VOODOO LIQUID COOLING.

 

Question has possible of 3 answer screw the new rumor graphic cards and get another Liquid COOl GTX just to have your system quiet and liquid cool for the future. SCREW the new graphic cards that no one know about and upgrade to the LIQUID COOL 8800 ultras and sell your current GTX Liquid Cool Card. LAST CHOICE, SCREW THE 8800 ULTRA and the GTX LIQUID COOLING FROM VOODOO. JUST KEEP YOUR Current system (1 LIQUID COOL GTX) and upgrade to the new 9900 series cards when they come out in the future without any VOODOO LIQUID SYSTEM.


Don't get another g80 8800gtx, it's long since obsolete, and makes no sense.

 

8800ultra is still too expensive, and is just the same old g80 pushed to its limits. In term of hardware, it's already obsolete, in term of performance, it will very soon. It's still the fastest single core card only when you compare stock speeds. When you slightly oc newer cards, they outperform the Ultra. Ultra itself cannot overclock any further.

 

Keep your current system, until 9900 or 4870 comes out, then see which one perform better.

 

You should really wait. There aren't any truely attractive options for high performance right now. The 9800gx2 is just 2 underclocked g92 put together. The 9800gtx is a farce, see benchmark against g92 8800gts:
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03 [...] review/12/


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nonono... The CAPS does not imply yelling in any way... What I put in caps were mainly the items I have or want, and the options I have.... I use it this way as a skiming mechanism so people dont have to read the post in the entirely.... Thank you for pointing it out.

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Np thanks for the clarification, next time i would try changing the font color so there's no confusion. Aparently your fond of your liquid cooled system. What games do you play? unless you play on a ungodly large monitor, or in the same aspect, ungodly high ratio's, i would keep what i got and wait for a real performance diffrence. Personally i consider the 9xxx series a hop in technology and performance, and not the leap we would all like to see. When ati gets it in gear and starts coming out with cards that are pushing the nvidia ones, well finally see a real performance gain.

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BLACKSCI wrote :

Np thanks for the clarification, next time i would try changing the font color so there's no confusion. Aparently your fond of your liquid cooled system. What games do you play? unless you play on a ungodly large monitor, or in the same aspect, ungodly high ratio's, i would keep what i got and wait for a real performance diffrence. Personally i consider the 9xxx series a hop in technology and performance, and not the leap we would all like to see. When ati gets it in gear and starts coming out with cards that are pushing the nvidia ones, well finally see a real performance gain.


Well, the 9800gtx, as you can see on that benchmark, is more like a hop backward in term of performance. Hopefully the 9900 will be the leap.


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Lol, well i wasnt going to say it, because i hate all the people who cant admit they made a mistake going with it, but yeah i agree.


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gonefast wrote :

nonono... The CAPS does not imply yelling in any way...

Yes Yes Yesssssssssss!  The Caps were not necessary.

 

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Yeah I'll change the font color (remember I'm new I dont even know how to work with these forum yet). I feel the same way as you guys the 9800 that just came out do not amaze me that much. The 9 series I was referring to in my previous post were the upcoming 9900. Yes I play on 1900 x 1200 resolution that's one of the reason I only get 23 average FPS in crysis. I play crysis, world in conflict, supreme commander. Right now what I'm leaning toward just getting another 8800 gtx just to have the Voodoo liquid system for two cards, so in the future I can upgrade on my own. Hopefully they'll make the kit for it cause these Voodoo liquid tubes are big they are not 1/4 more like 3/4.    

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dagger wrote :

Don't upgrade to 8800Ultra, it's still far overpriced for its performance. As you probably already know, there is a very large performance gap between the g92 and g80 gpu. It's not a good idea to get anything with the old g80 gpu. 8800Ultra is just a single g80 pushed to its limit and outfitted with the best possible components. At its core, it's still old and weak.
 
Your 8800gtx's performance in Crysis should be about right. With single g92 8800gts, I get 50+ fps in Crysis on "high" settings (not "highest" ) and the smaller 1280x1024 resolutions in Vista 64bit.
 
Ideally, wait for the 9900 or hd4870 to come out. It shouldn't be long now. If the 9900 use the g200 core as rumored, it should be a monster.


 
That might be a bit of a stretch. The Ultra performs better than  
 
8800GT
8800GTS
9600GT
9800GTX in about half of the games
All these cards have newer cores and none are that much faster than G80. The gap is not that big between a 9800GTX and a Ultra. Also I dont think that the G80 was pushed to its limit. G80 was quite memory-starved as i recall, it had a very fast core but the bandwidth was its bottleneck mainly.  
So to say it's old and weak is a bit of an exaggeration. it's still a high=end card


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