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April 20, 2008 1:47:49 AM

Is it worth this? Also would this work properly?

TOTAL -$1411

Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory (2 x 2048MB)
$80

EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS Video Card - 640MB GDDR3, PCI Express, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HTDV, Video Card
$275

XFX nForce 680i LT SLI Motherboard, NVIDIA, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express, SLI Ready, Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0 & Firewire, Serial ATA, RAID
$160

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor BX80562Q6600 - 2.40GHz, 8MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB, Kentsfield, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor with Fan
$280

Creative Labs 70SB104000000 Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
$80

Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB Hard Drive - 7200, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM
$90

Samsung 931BW 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 2ms, 700:1(DC2000:1), WSXGA 1440x900, Black, DVI
$230

NZXT Apollo Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports
$86

OCZ / GameXStream / 700-Watt / ATX / 120mm Fan / SATA Ready / SLI Ready / EPS / Active PFC / Power Supply
$130

Logitech MX5000 Cordless Keyboard and Rechargeable Laser Mouse Bluetooth Desktop
$100

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April 20, 2008 2:04:33 AM

The old g80 8800gts's performance is significantly inferior to the g92 8800gts. It cost more too, which makes no sense. Consider this one instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

680i motherboard is no good. Ideally, go for 780i, or 750i if you're on budget.

If you don't need sli, or crossfire will do, get x38/48. Or p35 one the cheap, if you're on budget.

Lose the sound card, you won't hear a difference. That $80 can be better spent where it matters.

$280 for Q6600 is highly overpriced. Those go as low as $200, and are $230 on Newegg. It would probably be a good idea to check prices on other retailers too. It's not a good sign that they're trying to swindle you with that price.

Everything else good as is.
April 20, 2008 2:22:39 AM

Okay here are a few thoughts on your build.
* Memory looks good, try and get the CAS 4 stuff (4-4-4-12) timings, if you can, but Corsair/Crucial/G.Skill/Patriot are all good brands.
* PLEASE don't get the old (g80) nVidia cards (i.e. 320mb & 640mb 8800gts'). If your going to spend $275 at least get a 8800gts 512mb (g92) GPU, you could even probably fit in the 9800gtx, but I think for the $ it isn't that much better than the 8800gts 512mb (g92) GPU.
* If your only using 1 GPU, just get a good p35 mobo. I'd recommend Gigabyte DS3R/Abit IP35/Asus P5k series of mobo's. They all OC well and are priced around $130 or so.
* CPU looks good, but if your going to OC over 3 gHz, I'd get a better HSF, like the Xigmatek s1283. It's on par w/a TRUE (Thermalright Ultra 120 w/Scythe 120mm fan) and costs about $25-40 cheaper.
* I'd drop the additional sound card. Most of the onboard sound these days are quite good, so I'd not buy a sound card right now, until you try out the onboard sound. If you feel your not getting a good experience than get a add-on sound card, but I wouldn't get a Creative card, because they have had lousy service and try and limit what options you can have. Just read somewhere about this recently.
* Case is fine, but I'd rather get a Cooler Master 690 for about the same $ and it has a good reputation and review.
* OCZ GameXStream PSU's are okay, but for the $, I'd rather spend it on a PCP&C 610w Silencer or a Corsair tx650w PSU. Both have 5 yr warranties and are quite efficient. They also are around $110 shipped, so the extra $ could be used for whatever parts you want.
* If you are big into FPS type games, most gamers will tell you that a corded mouse will have a faster response and won't die on you in the middle of a battle. Don't know if this is a concern, but thought I should mention it.
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April 20, 2008 2:25:42 AM

I live in canada, and you live in America (most likely presumingly) and in canada it is a bit more expensive.
April 20, 2008 2:28:35 AM

mehrdad99 said:
I live in canada, and you live in America (most likely presumingly) and in canada it is a bit more expensive.



Meh, still overpriced. Many American retailers ship to Canada.

Besides, the American dollar is worth less by the minute. :na: 
April 20, 2008 2:38:45 AM

mehrdad99 said:
I live in canada, and you live in America (most likely presumingly) and in canada it is a bit more expensive.

I live in Canada too, and have build a few systems. I always keep my eye on prices, and honestly find most of the stuff here about the same price. You just have to know where to buy.

www.ncix.com and www.directcanada.com are generally the best prices.

They are in BC, so if you order from outside BC, you don't have to pay PST. Plus most offer free or really cheap shipping if you buy over a certain amount. Like over $300, directcanada.com offers free shipping.

Here is a example of a 8800GTS 512 at almost same price as newegg.
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11610BD0715&vpn=512-P3-N845-AR&manufacture=EVGA

PS. Honestly, at the resolution your are playing at with a 19inch, I would go for a 9600GT. You can find them for about $139.99-$179.99, and they offer similar performance to the 8800GTS 512 at those resolutions.

Here is a nice cheap one at $129.99 after $30MIR
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28597&vpn=XNE%2F9600T%2B0152&manufacture=Palit%20Multimedia%20Inc%2E
April 20, 2008 2:40:44 AM

Q6600 is supposed to drop on Arpil 20th. $200 or less retail. Q6700 is suposed to be $250-$270 instead of $500+ on the same day.
April 20, 2008 3:05:21 AM

dagger said:
Meh, still overpriced. Many American retailers ship to Canada.


I wish that were so. I found one once, I forgot its name now, but it charged $29 in shipping for a little hard drive... For example www.amazon.com is happy to sell me books and DVDs but it won't sell me hardware or computer games. Silly of them, of course.

@OP:
I'd upgrade to 8800GTS 512MB (yes, it's better than the 640MB version, it's the same name reused for a different and better card).
Don't get the WD 500GB. Get the WD640GB or the WD750GB (WD6400AAKS, WD7500AAKS), they are much faster.

Try to buy the case, PSU and monitor locally, not online. Shipping charges tend to be huge on these. Also, buying a monitor at FutureShop or Bestbuy when it's on sale is smart, because they let you check for dead pixels right there, or you can return it without penalties and shipping costs within 14 days if you discover dead pixels at home.
April 20, 2008 3:16:54 AM

Okay here are a few thoughts on your build.
* Memory looks good, try and get the CAS 4 stuff (4-4-4-12) timings, if you can, but Corsair/Crucial/G.Skill/Patriot are all good brands.
--- I like the memory i have, i need it for what im doing

* PLEASE don't get the old (g80) nVidia cards (i.e. 320mb & 640mb 8800gts'). If your going to spend $275 at least get a 8800gts 512mb (g92) GPU, you could even probably fit in the 9800gtx, but I think for the $ it isn't that much better than the 8800gts 512mb (g92) GPU.
--done and done im getting the 8800 GTS OC 512 MB

* If your only using 1 GPU, just get a good p35 mobo. I'd recommend Gigabyte DS3R/Abit IP35/Asus P5k series of mobo's. They all OC well and are priced around $130 or so.
-- not sure so much about this so im just getting an 750i

* CPU looks good, but if your going to OC over 3 gHz, I'd get a better HSF, like the Xigmatek s1283. It's on par w/a TRUE (Thermalright Ultra 120 w/Scythe 120mm fan) and costs about $25-40 cheaper.
-- i dont think i will ever OC but ill take this on note but if i do oc ill just do max 2.8 i dont do more then .2-.4 and only for a while

* I'd drop the additional sound card. Most of the onboard sound these days are quite good, so I'd not buy a sound card right now, until you try out the onboard sound. If you feel your not getting a good experience than get a add-on sound card, but I wouldn't get a Creative card, because they have had lousy service and try and limit what options you can have. Just read somewhere about this recently.
--droped it

* Case is fine, but I'd rather get a Cooler Master 690 for about the same $ and it has a good reputation and review.
--thanks ill take that into notice

* OCZ GameXStream PSU's are okay, but for the $, I'd rather spend it on a PCP&C 610w Silencer or a Corsair tx650w PSU. Both have 5 yr warranties and are quite efficient. They also are around $110 shipped, so the extra $ could be used for whatever parts you want.
--im getting the PC Power & Cooling / Silencer / 610-Watt / PCI-Express / SATA-Ready / Copper Power Supply now...

* If you are big into FPS type games, most gamers will tell you that a corded mouse will have a faster response and won't die on you in the middle of a battle. Don't know if this is a concern, but thought I should mention it.
--im getting cords now

i still need some help guys

here is what im now getting tell me if anything is wrong or bad..

note this is Canadian prices. also im going to try to look into different retailers!



anyways is there anyway to make this about $400 cheaper...?

  1. Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory (2 x 2048MB)
  2. $80
  3.  
  4. BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card
  5. $290
  6.  
  7. EVGA nForce 750i SLI FTW Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 750i, 45nm Support, Socket 775, ATX, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, Firewire, Serial ATA, RAID
  8. $245
  9.  
  10. Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor BX80562Q6600 - 2.40GHz, 8MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB, Kentsfield, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor with Fan
  11. $280
  12.  
  13. Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB Hard Drive - 7200, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM
  14. $90
  15.  
  16. NZXT Apollo Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports
  17. $86
  18.  
  19. Samsung SyncMaster 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor (226NW)
  20. $240 || BEST BUY .ca :D
  21.  
  22. PC Power & Cooling / Silencer / 610-Watt / PCI-Express / SATA-Ready / Copper Power Supply
  23. $150
  24.  
  25. Mouse and Key
  26. $40
  27.  
  28. total $1491
April 20, 2008 4:17:08 AM

Looks good to me, just be sure to wait until Intel drops the price on the Q6600 before you buy.
April 20, 2008 4:56:42 AM

so, i cant go any cheaper right?
April 20, 2008 5:25:46 AM

Well, thats a really expensive mobo. I have a 680i, and I've never had any problems with it, and it OC'd like a champ. Is there any reason you must have 4GB of ram now? You'd be able to function just fine on two for a little while. 8800GT or 9600GT I believe are a little cheaper and perform similarly. Another option would be to switch to an intel chipset (p35 x38 or x48) and go with a 3870 with plans to CF later. Smaller monitor?

There's places you could go down and not lose much (if any) performance.
April 20, 2008 5:30:46 AM

What is your reasoning behind the 750i board? It looks like you could cut quite a bit of cost by going with a ds3l or similar p35 board.
April 20, 2008 5:32:54 AM

lcaley said:
Well, thats a really expensive mobo. I have a 680i, and I've never had any problems with it, and it OC'd like a champ. Is there any reason you must have 4GB of ram now? You'd be able to function just fine on two for a little while. 8800GT or 9600GT I believe are a little cheaper and perform similarly. Another option would be to switch to an intel chipset (p35 x38 or x48) and go with a 3870 with plans to CF later. Smaller monitor?

There's places you could go down and not lose much (if any) performance.


i like the mobo tho cause i might get another 8800 gts oc 512 by end of summer cause im getting this at the beginning of summer most likely...

also it will get cheaper sooner ... well in 3 months..
April 20, 2008 5:34:34 AM

You could shave atleast $510 more from a quick glance, with similar performance.
April 20, 2008 5:36:36 AM

I wouldnt count on SLI much with the plans Intel has in-store. Very possible that Nvidia will go belly up soon if Intel comes through.
April 20, 2008 6:02:16 AM

mehrdad99 said:
i like the mobo tho cause i might get another 8800 gts oc 512 by end of summer cause im getting this at the beginning of summer most likely...

also it will get cheaper sooner ... well in 3 months..

Well, in that case, then no, you probably can't make it much cheaper.
April 20, 2008 6:13:06 AM

roadrunner197069 said:
I wouldnt count on SLI much with the plans Intel has in-store. Very possible that Nvidia will go belly up soon if Intel comes through.

Whats the word now? Last I heard was that they just weren't going to put SLI into the nehelem chipsets. But correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the way it is now? Try running SLI on an Intel chipset.
And even if Intel does get their way, all they're really going to be able to do is end SLI, not the entire Nvidia Corporation.
April 20, 2008 6:23:36 AM

Intel's Larrabee chip. 16 or more core that will handle everything including graphics.
April 20, 2008 6:54:54 AM

Even if Larrabee makes it out when they predict, it will be a while before its got anything on either Nvidia or ATI. Should make a nice price war though :D 

And it was my impression that Larrabee was a discrete graphics chip, not a multi-function chip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larrabee_(GPU)
April 20, 2008 1:20:41 PM

Well, it's good that someone else is jumping into the graphics market. More competition is good for us. It's still 1-2 years off though.

As for SLI on Intel chipset, the only Intel chipset board that supports SLI right now is the dual cpu Skulltrial board, which have 4 pciex16 slots, support both SLI and Crossfire, including quad sli. It'll set you back a good $600 though. :p 
April 20, 2008 4:51:53 PM

Lol I guess I didn't know Skulltrail did SLI, but sorry to hijack the thread, OP :lol: 
April 21, 2008 12:12:05 AM

So is this good now?

--------------
Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory (2 x 2048MB)
$80

BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card
$290

Abit IP35 Pro Motherboard - Intel P35, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, eSATA, RAID
$230

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor BX80562Q6600 - 2.40GHz, 8MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB, Kentsfield, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor with Fan
$280

Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB Hard Drive - 7200, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM
$90

NZXT Apollo Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports
$86

Samsung 931BW 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 2ms, 700:1(DC2000:1), WSXGA 1440x900, Black, DVI
$230

PC Power & Cooling / Silencer / 610-Watt / PCI-Express / SATA-Ready / Copper Power Supply
$150

Mouse and Key
$49

i don't really care about price, but is the performance good?
April 21, 2008 12:24:44 AM

mehrdad99 said:
So is this good now?

--------------
Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory (2 x 2048MB)
$80

BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card
$290

Abit IP35 Pro Motherboard - Intel P35, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, eSATA, RAID
$230

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor BX80562Q6600 - 2.40GHz, 8MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB, Kentsfield, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor with Fan
$280

Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB Hard Drive - 7200, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM
$90

NZXT Apollo Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports
$86

Samsung 931BW 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 2ms, 700:1(DC2000:1), WSXGA 1440x900, Black, DVI
$230

PC Power & Cooling / Silencer / 610-Watt / PCI-Express / SATA-Ready / Copper Power Supply
$150

Mouse and Key
$49

i don't really care about price, but is the performance good?

Motherboard looks overpriced. It's Canadian, but still... $230 for a P35? A X38 cost $207 US here, and P35 starts at under $100.
April 21, 2008 12:53:13 AM

I'm just now noticing this. Are you sure that 22" monitor is only 1440x900? Usually monitors that large are 1680x1050 or bigger.

http://www.samsung.com/ph/products/monitor/lcdmonitor/9...
That shows a 931BW as a 19" which are normally at 1440x900.

Just make sure someone isn't trying to scam you.
April 21, 2008 1:50:58 AM

Parts look good, but the prices are interesting. What site are you buying them from?
April 21, 2008 1:56:39 AM

lcaley said:
I'm just now noticing this. Are you sure that 22" monitor is only 1440x900? Usually monitors that large are 1680x1050 or bigger.

http://www.samsung.com/ph/products/monitor/lcdmonitor/9...
That shows a 931BW as a 19" which are normally at 1440x900.

Just make sure someone isn't trying to scam you.



my bad thats an 19" system but your right...

also i forgot to change it ... but this is its specs



Samsung SyncMaster 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor (226NW)

  1. Monitor Type LCD
  2. Analog vs Digital Analog RGB
  3. Brightness 300cd/m2
  4. Built in TV Tuner No
  5. Contrast Ratio 3000:1 (Dynamic)
  6. Maximum Resolution 1680 x 1050
  7. Other MagicBright, MagicTune
  8. Product Dimensions 51.4(W) x 42.2(H) x 21.9(D) cm
  9. Product Weight 4.9 kg
  10. Response Time 2ms
  11. Screen Size 22 in
  12. Speakers Included No
  13. Warranty 3 Years Parts & Labour



Parts look good, but the prices are interesting. What site are you buying them from?
tigerdirect.ca [not .com]
monitor is from bestbuy.ca
April 21, 2008 3:49:41 AM

Performance should be pretty good, especially if you OC the q6600 to about 2.8-3 gHz. At stock speeds it'll be fine too, but the OC will help things out a bit. You could even go with the q9450 and that would run cooler than the q6600, is about $130 more :( .
NCIX link to $270 q6600:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22211&vpn=BX...
April 21, 2008 3:50:48 AM

forgot to mention that Intel should be dropping their CPU prices, so I should wait just a bit before you buy.
April 21, 2008 4:33:56 AM

I second the Q9450 it'll oc higher, less electricity, etc. BTW building a computer is, in everyones mind, meant to over clock. Unlocking the raw power that your computer can attain is essential. Also if you volt modded an 8800gts 512 it'll out put an 8800 ultra. On overclock.net they have some people clocking their gts at 850 mhz or so, so you can figure that it'll be comparable to sli 8800 gts. (Volt modding is a bit hard, but to do it would cost nearly nothing for enormous computing gains).
April 21, 2008 6:08:32 AM

mehrdad99 said:
my bad thats an 19" system but your right...

also i forgot to change it ... but this is its specs



Samsung SyncMaster 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor (226NW)

  1. Monitor Type LCD
  2. Analog vs Digital Analog RGB
  3. Brightness 300cd/m2
  4. Built in TV Tuner No
  5. Contrast Ratio 3000:1 (Dynamic)
  6. Maximum Resolution 1680 x 1050
  7. Other MagicBright, MagicTune
  8. Product Dimensions 51.4(W) x 42.2(H) x 21.9(D) cm
  9. Product Weight 4.9 kg
  10. Response Time 2ms
  11. Screen Size 22 in
  12. Speakers Included No
  13. Warranty 3 Years Parts & Labour



monitor is from bestbuy.ca


Ok, cool, just checking ;) 
April 21, 2008 2:52:12 PM

dakayus said:
I second the Q9450 it'll oc higher, less electricity, etc. BTW building a computer is, in everyones mind, meant to over clock. Unlocking the raw power that your computer can attain is essential. Also if you volt modded an 8800gts 512 it'll out put an 8800 ultra. On overclock.net they have some people clocking their gts at 850 mhz or so, so you can figure that it'll be comparable to sli 8800 gts. (Volt modding is a bit hard, but to do it would cost nearly nothing for enormous computing gains).



G92 8800gts can approach 8800ultra performance on high oc even without volt modding.

And Q9450 won't oc higher in this case due to its 8x multiplier and the old p35 motherboard's fsb wall. At 1600mhz fsb, Q6600 run at 3.6ghz, while Q9450 run at 3.0ghz. P35 run at 1333mhz fsb natively.
April 22, 2008 1:52:28 AM

If i just want to use the regular cpu fans, what is best without really making cpu at all hot a lot?

Would 2.8 be good?
April 22, 2008 1:57:23 AM

Which CPU are you reffering to? If you talking about the q6600 than I'm sure 2.8 will work. Don't know for sure, since there are alot of factors that help/hinder the cooling of the CPU. If you room temperature is warm than that will add to the temperature inside of the case. If you have a good cool case and sufficient CPU HSF than you will have better results. If your getting the q6660, I'd recommend the Xigmatek s1283, like I mentioned before. You could OC the q6600 to 2.8-3 gHz and see what your temperatures are at and then make a decision if you want to put on a better HSF or not. It's all up to you, but if your going to OC much more than that I'd consider an aftermarket HSF.
April 22, 2008 2:16:23 AM

mehrdad99 said:
If i just want to use the regular cpu fans, what is best without really making cpu at all hot a lot?

Would 2.8 be good?



3.0ghz for Q9450 at 1600mhz fsb is a typo, it's actually 3.2ghz. And yes, 2.8ghz should be pretty much guaranteed if you do things right.
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