ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon64 4000+ overclocked to 3.05GHZ
3.00GB of 800Mhz RAM.
XFX 8800GTS
700W PSU
During the summer I was going to upgrade everything and changeover to Intel, preferable a Q9450. And then I read about Nehalem. I want to mainly play games such as Age of Conan and Warhammer online, and I know they wouldn't be as graphically demanding as something like Crysis. I would definately like to upgrade my system to Intel, my question is, should I wait until Nehalem and for the momemt purchase something such as an AMDX2 Black Edition? I don't want to spend too much right now and plan to spend a lot when I fully upgrade.
If you have an am2, I would say, spring for a x2 6400, or maybe a phenom 8750, because singles cores suck, I wouldnt invest to heavily since nehalem is coming at the end of year or beggining of next. Of course since we all know we are broke when stuff comes out, you may as well have a dcent cpu to match the rest of your system until you can spring fot the nehalem. The rest of your setup is pretty good though, just ditch that single core.
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I would go for a 5000+ BE, definitely. The 6400+ is overpriced and you can normally overclock the BE to the same level if not higher. Don't spring for a Phenom, it's not worth it in the Autumn of your computer's life.
All the current phenoms would perform worse than an x2 6000 on that board as it has a 2000fsb not the 5200 max required for the phenoms, if you can find a be 5000 get that but they're in short supply in the uk, if not then an oem 6000 costs 85 with an arctic cooler fan.
I agree that a 5000+ BE will be the best way to go until Nehalem hits.
Nehalem will have dynamic OC'ing so for a single threaded game/app it will OC the main core and underclock the rest therefore giving you better performance for that thread. Of course we are not sure if it will also do the same for dual core optimized programs but still it is supposed to have improved IPC compared to Core2 based chips.
Nehalem is going to "hit" Q4 2008. Summer 2009 it will be available like the Q9xxx series is now (overpriced and mostly out of stock). Q4 2009 you will see wide market availability. All in all ... at least 15 to 18 months until Nehalem becomes mainstream IMO. The 5000+ BE is a great choice.
Nehalem is going to "hit" Q4 2008. Summer 2009 it will be available like the Q9xxx series is now (overpriced and mostly out of stock). Q4 2009 you will see wide market availability. All in all ... at least 15 to 18 months until Nehalem becomes mainstream IMO. The 5000+ BE is a great choice.
Currently Intel has contrained supply on .45nm products due to a few fabs churning them out by q4 of 09 there are supposed to be 2 and possibly 3 more fabs at .45nm. I can see where you comming from but the supply issues will be resolved by the end of this year.
But 15-18 months thats an exceptionally long time i dont find that viable.
Currently Intel has contrained supply on .45nm products due to a few fabs churning them out by q4 of 09 there are supposed to be 2 and possibly 3 more fabs at .45nm. I can see where you comming from but the supply issues will be resolved by the end of this year.
But 15-18 months thats an exceptionally long time i dont find that viable.
The 45nm shortage is mostly due to lack of competition. Clearing old 65nm stock is the first priority. I fully agree that the 45nm transition will be done by Q4 2008 / Q1 2009 and wide market availability for 45nm chips will be achieved. So in Q4 (6 months from now) Intel does a paper launch for the Nehalem architecture with wide Extreme edition availability following in Q1 2009. By Q2 2009 the mainstream editions follow at the pricepoints of $800 and $500, still quite the bleeding edge market. I consider mainstream a total system cost of $1000-$1200 (or 1000EUR). Until 45nm Core2 stock clears by Q3 I'd say Nehalem won't see the $330 and $270 pricepoints, like Core2Duos didn't until Q4 of 2006. This is just my opinion so feel free to disagree.
Spud and Andrius; you two are hard to tell apart at first glance.
OP- I'd go for using the 5000+ BE for your present computer. As to Nehalem, Spud and Andrius are correct. It will be a long time in coming and the supply will be slow. Just think about how many people are finding problems finding a Q9450 at the moment, much less the Q9550. Whether its because of a couple reported hardware problems, Intel not finding the need because of no competition, Intel underestimating the demand, or whatever. Nehalem is supposed to debut in Q4 08, but it may well be months before its seen in quantity. Besides, for all the rumor going around, no one knows how well it will perform. Until its out and benches tell the real story, all we have is rumor. Nehalem could just as easily be far less then expected.
So buy a 5000+ BE, overclock it, and be happy.
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Currently Intel has contrained supply on .45nm products due to a few fabs churning them out by q4 of 09 there are supposed to be 2 and possibly 3 more fabs at .45nm. I can see where you comming from but the supply issues will be resolved by the end of this year.
But 15-18 months thats an exceptionally long time i dont find that viable.
You mean 45nm. 450pm (.45nm) is approximately the diameter of a Barium atom. There's no way we'll ever have transistors that small.
^In "l33t" technical speak the leading zero is never omitted so we all know what he meant but you are correct. It's 45nm and 450pm is a useless size for features in IC electronics.
