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Temp upgrade my AMD and wait for Nehalem?

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May 20, 2008 7:46:03 PM

Hi.
My current specs are:

ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon64 4000+ overclocked to 3.05GHZ
3.00GB of 800Mhz RAM.
XFX 8800GTS
700W PSU

During the summer I was going to upgrade everything and changeover to Intel, preferable a Q9450. And then I read about Nehalem. I want to mainly play games such as Age of Conan and Warhammer online, and I know they wouldn't be as graphically demanding as something like Crysis. I would definately like to upgrade my system to Intel, my question is, should I wait until Nehalem and for the momemt purchase something such as an AMDX2 Black Edition? I don't want to spend too much right now and plan to spend a lot when I fully upgrade.

Thanks for reading.
May 20, 2008 7:55:05 PM

If you have an am2, I would say, spring for a x2 6400, or maybe a phenom 8750, because singles cores suck, I wouldnt invest to heavily since nehalem is coming at the end of year or beggining of next. Of course since we all know we are broke when stuff comes out, you may as well have a dcent cpu to match the rest of your system until you can spring fot the nehalem. The rest of your setup is pretty good though, just ditch that single core.
May 20, 2008 8:05:41 PM

I would go for a 5000+ BE, definitely. The 6400+ is overpriced and you can normally overclock the BE to the same level if not higher. Don't spring for a Phenom, it's not worth it in the Autumn of your computer's life.
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May 20, 2008 8:19:16 PM

Thanks for your replies. I will probably go with a Black Edition.
May 20, 2008 8:47:04 PM

All the current phenoms would perform worse than an x2 6000 on that board as it has a 2000fsb not the 5200 max required for the phenoms, if you can find a be 5000 get that but they're in short supply in the uk, if not then an oem 6000 costs 85 with an arctic cooler fan.
May 20, 2008 9:19:14 PM

I bought a 5000+ Black edition. I have a nice fan so I can probably get it to reach the 3.2 for the 6400+.
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May 20, 2008 9:24:40 PM

I agree that a 5000+ BE will be the best way to go until Nehalem hits.

Nehalem will have dynamic OC'ing so for a single threaded game/app it will OC the main core and underclock the rest therefore giving you better performance for that thread. Of course we are not sure if it will also do the same for dual core optimized programs but still it is supposed to have improved IPC compared to Core2 based chips.
May 20, 2008 9:36:41 PM

Nehalem is going to "hit" Q4 2008. Summer 2009 it will be available like the Q9xxx series is now (overpriced and mostly out of stock). Q4 2009 you will see wide market availability. All in all ... at least 15 to 18 months until Nehalem becomes mainstream IMO. The 5000+ BE is a great choice.
May 21, 2008 12:10:20 AM

Andrius said:
Nehalem is going to "hit" Q4 2008. Summer 2009 it will be available like the Q9xxx series is now (overpriced and mostly out of stock). Q4 2009 you will see wide market availability. All in all ... at least 15 to 18 months until Nehalem becomes mainstream IMO. The 5000+ BE is a great choice.


Currently Intel has contrained supply on .45nm products due to a few fabs churning them out by q4 of 09 there are supposed to be 2 and possibly 3 more fabs at .45nm. I can see where you comming from but the supply issues will be resolved by the end of this year.

But 15-18 months thats an exceptionally long time i dont find that viable.
May 21, 2008 12:35:32 AM

spud said:
Currently Intel has contrained supply on .45nm products due to a few fabs churning them out by q4 of 09 there are supposed to be 2 and possibly 3 more fabs at .45nm. I can see where you comming from but the supply issues will be resolved by the end of this year.

But 15-18 months thats an exceptionally long time i dont find that viable.
The 45nm shortage is mostly due to lack of competition. Clearing old 65nm stock is the first priority. I fully agree that the 45nm transition will be done by Q4 2008 / Q1 2009 and wide market availability for 45nm chips will be achieved. So in Q4 (6 months from now) Intel does a paper launch for the Nehalem architecture with wide Extreme edition availability following in Q1 2009. By Q2 2009 the mainstream editions follow at the pricepoints of $800 and $500, still quite the bleeding edge market. I consider mainstream a total system cost of $1000-$1200 (or 1000EUR). Until 45nm Core2 stock clears by Q3 I'd say Nehalem won't see the $330 and $270 pricepoints, like Core2Duos didn't until Q4 of 2006. This is just my opinion so feel free to disagree. :) 
May 21, 2008 12:40:34 AM

Stupid forum won't let me quickedit my post!

@spud
I like your avatar BTW. Sorry if I stole it. :) 
May 21, 2008 12:53:44 AM

Spud and Andrius; you two are hard to tell apart at first glance.

OP- I'd go for using the 5000+ BE for your present computer. As to Nehalem, Spud and Andrius are correct. It will be a long time in coming and the supply will be slow. Just think about how many people are finding problems finding a Q9450 at the moment, much less the Q9550. Whether its because of a couple reported hardware problems, Intel not finding the need because of no competition, Intel underestimating the demand, or whatever. Nehalem is supposed to debut in Q4 08, but it may well be months before its seen in quantity. Besides, for all the rumor going around, no one knows how well it will perform. Until its out and benches tell the real story, all we have is rumor. Nehalem could just as easily be far less then expected.

So buy a 5000+ BE, overclock it, and be happy.
May 21, 2008 1:28:27 AM

spud said:
Currently Intel has contrained supply on .45nm products due to a few fabs churning them out by q4 of 09 there are supposed to be 2 and possibly 3 more fabs at .45nm. I can see where you comming from but the supply issues will be resolved by the end of this year.

But 15-18 months thats an exceptionally long time i dont find that viable.

You mean 45nm. 450pm (.45nm) is approximately the diameter of a Barium atom. There's no way we'll ever have transistors that small.
May 21, 2008 1:53:59 AM

^In "l33t" technical speak the leading zero is never omitted so we all know what he meant but you are correct. It's 45nm and 450pm is a useless size for features in IC electronics.
May 21, 2008 2:55:49 AM

no hablo 'leet'....
May 21, 2008 10:14:31 AM

^But you've been through highschool/university and know that in technical terms/documents the leading zero is never omitted to provide clarity and reduce chances of misinterpretation.
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