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Building Low-Budget Gaming PC - Opinions appreciated :p

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April 21, 2008 3:10:25 PM

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Final configuration:
CPU - INTEL Pentium Dual-Core E2160
CPU Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper TX2
MB - Gigabyte P35-DS3L
RAM - CORSAIR TWINX XMS2 DDR2 800MHz CL4-4-4-12
Gr. Card - BFG GF9600GT 512MB DDR3 OC
PSU - CORSAIR VX550, 550W
Case - Thermaltake VI1000BNS M9
HDD - from previous system (SB 7200 RPM 160Gb, Maxxtor 5400 RPM 40Gb)

Grand total: ~600$

If you can give some more tips/tricks/links/hints I'll be glad if you do, thanks for all the help.
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Additional info - yeah I'm pretty much a beginner at this so don't hurt me too much :p . I'd like to hear your opinions (preferably practically tested ones), on how to improve this build overall. I'll be overclocking the CPU and the Graphics card (oh yeah advice on this is appreciated too - you guessed it - I've never done it before! :D ).

Thanks for all the tips guys, I really need help with this stuff.
April 21, 2008 3:15:02 PM

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So here are the specs i was thinking about:

CPU - INTEL Pentium Dual-Core E2160
CPU Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper TX2
MB - Gigabyte P35-DS3L
RAM - CORSAIR TWINX XMS2 DDR2 800MHz CL4-4-4-12
Gr. Card - BFG GF9600GT 512MB DDR3 OC
PSU - CORSAIR VX550, 550W
Case - Not sure yet...
HDD - from previous system

Additional info - yeah I'm pretty much a beginner at this so don't hurt me too much :p  . I'd like to hear your opinions (preferably practically tested ones), on how to improve this build overall. I'll be overclocking the CPU and the Graphics card (oh yeah advice on this is appreciated too - you guessed it - I've never done it before! :D  ).

Thanks for all the tips guys, I really need help with this stuff.

Everything looks good and balanced as it is.

This 9600gt comes with aftermarket cooler and overclocks better. Not sure if it's worth the extra to you, since you're on budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Happy building.
April 21, 2008 3:52:51 PM

The PSU is nice, but if this is budget, Consider the Antec Sonata III Case/PSU combo.

It's often on sale and the PSU included as actually good, which is rare for PSU/CASE combos.
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April 21, 2008 3:55:55 PM

zenmaster said:
The PSU is nice, but if this is budget, Consider the Antec Sonata III Case/PSU combo.

It's often on sale and the PSU included as actually good, which is rare for PSU/CASE combos.



And with the money saved, get a E4000s chip instead of the old Pentium D. :p 
April 21, 2008 3:56:51 PM

enjoy the high detail! :) 
April 21, 2008 4:42:17 PM

Ya the E2160 isn't a bad chip at all. The only thing I saw that didn't seem as good as it could be is that you could get a better CPU cooler maybe. Not sure about that one. Everything else looks great.
Anonymous
April 21, 2008 5:05:21 PM

dagger said:
Everything looks good and balanced as it is.

This 9600gt comes with aftermarket cooler and overclocks better. Not sure if it's worth the extra to you, since you're on budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Happy building.


Hmm, if I calculated it right from my currency into USD, it's about 10$ more expensive than the BFG. I'm trying to keep the price as low as possible with the highest possible value. Uhm, my point: is it worth it? (I heard from a friend that BFGs are great for overclocking, can't verify it though as I haven't tried it)

The PSU is nice, but if this is budget, Consider the Antec Sonata III Case/PSU combo.

It's often on sale and the PSU included as actually good, which is rare for PSU/CASE combos. said:
The PSU is nice, but if this is budget, Consider the Antec Sonata III Case/PSU combo.

It's often on sale and the PSU included as actually good, which is rare for PSU/CASE combos.


I have great experience with Corsair, so if it's not necessary to switch, I wanna keep it. I'm not very fond of case/psu combinations, so even if I'm on budget, I'm gonna invest a bit more to really ensure that it will perform as I want it to. Thanks for the advice though, I checked the case and it wasn't so bad, but I'm not sure that the PSU would be able to handle the OC-ed processor and gr. card.

And with the money saved, get a E4000s chip instead of the old Pentium D. :p said:
And with the money saved, get a E4000s chip instead of the old Pentium D. :p 

I know from experience that 2MB and 1MB cache makes a hell of a lot difference in games, and a little off topic - is 4MB and 2MB cache so different too, in terms of performance in games? I chose the E2160, because I think it's the best for low-budget systems overall. It overclocks like hell, it's affordable, the only downside is the 1MB cache (but a better processor could cost twice as much as this one).

You mean Pentium Dual-core not Pentium D (there is a big difference). The Dual-core can hit up to 3.2GHZ on air easily and is a great overclocker. Instead of a 9800Gt go for a 8800Gt wihich is slightly cheaper and overclocks better (last time I checked). said:
You mean Pentium Dual-core not Pentium D (there is a big difference). The Dual-core can hit up to 3.2GHZ on air easily and is a great overclocker. Instead of a 9800Gt go for a 8800Gt wihich is slightly cheaper and overclocks better (last time I checked).

Umm it's a 9600, a 9800 would be (a little :D ) too expensive for a low-budget system. No probs mate, thanks anyway :) .

Ya the E2160 isn't a bad chip at all. The only thing I saw that didn't seem as good as it could be is that you could get a better CPU cooler maybe. Not sure about that one. Everything else looks great. said:
Ya the E2160 isn't a bad chip at all. The only thing I saw that didn't seem as good as it could be is that you could get a better CPU cooler maybe. Not sure about that one. Everything else looks great.

Could you make a suggestion for the possible replacement?



Thanks for the fast replies guys! I really appreciate it, keep 'em coming! :D 
April 21, 2008 6:27:13 PM

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^ The radeon 3870 is a soild alternative to the 8800gt and 9800gt



It was 9600gt, and unfortunately, 3870 perform about the same as 9600gt, but slightly more expensive.
Anonymous
April 21, 2008 7:06:50 PM

Update guys - I've been looking up a fitting case for my system, and I believe I got a good one :) . Check it out - Thermaltake M9. Let me know what you think guys, because I can be wrong! :D  (I'm not an expert case-wise). Thanks!
Anonymous
April 22, 2008 12:25:49 PM

Thanks! Those links helped :) .

I'm still curious what you guys think about the Thermaltake M9 Case. Good/bad experiences anyone? :) 
Anonymous
April 22, 2008 4:29:53 PM

Okay :) . Probably the last question from me (don't kill me yet :D ): would you rather go for a cheaper THERMALTAKE VI1000BNS M9 case without a window or the more expensive THERMALTAKE VI1000BWS M9 with a window? The window's the only difference, otherwise they're the same cases. Does a window provide better air circulation / heat dissipation? I know it may be a stupid question but I really have no clue :) , thanks. Oh and another thing - do you think the cooling will be sufficient if I do high overclocking (CPU 3+GHz, GPU ~725Mhz (if possible))? Would you consider switching to a Thermaltake Ultra 120? Oh yeah, I don't like peak temperatures at my components, I'd like them to survive for a few years at least :) .

Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it.
Anonymous
April 23, 2008 4:26:09 PM

Ok, seems like a fair reason ;) . I edited the first message, you can find the finalized config there, thanks and see ya, this is Spirit signing off ;) .
April 23, 2008 6:12:59 PM

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^ in theory aluminium sheet will disperse more heat (better) but then again you can just open the case right?
If I open my case the CPU temps go up around 6°C per core (load 49°C to 55°C).
The graphics card (passive cooling) goes up 15°C (idle 42°C to 57°C).
I don't even want to know how hot it gets in an open case during games.

Sidepanels are aluminium, the frame is made fo steel.
Decent airflow (in theory) is the key.
April 24, 2008 12:37:35 PM

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^ idle: 15C, load 20C room temp: 14C



Chilly room. Aren't you cold? :p 
April 24, 2008 1:01:40 PM

^ Nah. Vampires like it cold. Don't you watch Moonlight?

Typing below 20°C my fingers start to hurt after half an hour.
22-24°C comfort zone FTW.

Okey just checked the config. Underclocked and undervolted AMD EE.
Passive cooling all the way would be child's play. Upgrade to a 780G. HTPC Deluxe.
April 24, 2008 2:18:23 PM

^The freezing to death part backs my vampire theory!
Cooling a PC with snow 99/100 not a good idea :heink: 
Buffy grew up and went home. Spike took over her job.
April 24, 2008 11:12:12 PM

Vegetarian?

Primitive term for a "lousy hunter"

I hope that 62C is wrong though, otherwise somebody, somewhere may have committed a no no.

April 25, 2008 1:45:10 AM

Hurt or kill?


Big difference there kid.
April 25, 2008 1:59:18 AM

Don't hurt animals, hurt little girls... :na: 
April 25, 2008 2:14:58 AM

This is indeed a very solid build, although I bet you paid a tad bit more for the lower CL Corsair ram. IMO, if on a crazy budget, go with the G.Skill DDR2 800 2 x 1 GBs, they've got a tad slower latency but they're extremely affordable. Now to wait for DDR3 to start lowering in pricing... :bounce: 


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April 25, 2008 8:45:18 AM

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^ Now before you give me a steak you should know I'm a vegetarian. ;) 

Anyways, my CPU is so cool because of:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2438230833_ff4631f530_o.jpg
ironically my brother's computer is called "Buffy" and runs at 62C (QX9650 @4.6GHZ watercooled + 8GB RAM + 2x3870 X2 1.2kw PSU) I call that a polar opposite :p 

62°C on water? :ouch:  Holy Smokes Batman.
Someone needs a new radiator. I hope he didn't use cheap tubing!
I'd call that a threat to global warming. :pfff: 

If most of us saw a chicken farm up close, we'd be vegetarian as well. :heink: 

As for staking ... we'll leave that to Buffy and her gang of social misfits.
Why hurt anybody? Ignore them.
In this dangerous world that gives them a chance to hurt themselves and leaves you with a clean record. :D 

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^^ Yes, you should be pacifist like me
That's a phase. It passes with age and the amount of unreasonable people you meet. :heink: 
April 25, 2008 2:25:20 PM


I've seen chicken farms, believe me.

I'm not huge on poultry, but I still <3 meh meat.

Being a pacifist has nothing to do with hunting... besdies, andrius is
right, it'll pass.
April 25, 2008 4:05:47 PM

...makes perfect sense.

April 25, 2008 4:41:55 PM

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You mean Pentium Dual-core not Pentium D (there is a big difference).


there is? I was aware of pentium d and celeron D.Pentium d = dual core. Its still netburst anyway :p .
April 25, 2008 5:09:20 PM

acidpython said:
there is? I was aware of pentium d and celeron D.Pentium d = dual core. Its still netburst anyway :p .


Look at the name of who your quoting man, I mean; common sense with the naming scheme would be out the window.
April 25, 2008 5:49:54 PM

Just wait till this girl has a boyfriend and she's walking down the street with him. He'll look at another girl walking by. End of pacifism.
Let the hurting begin. :D 

As for the chips in question:
Pentium D 9xx series = NETBURST = avoid at any cost.
Pentium Dual Core E2xx0 series = Alenndale 1MB budget version = good
April 25, 2008 8:23:03 PM

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^ I already have a boyfriend (he's not a pacifist or vegetarian but I've known him for ages (we even started our own comic strip and band together)) He wouldn't do something like that. Anyways he's only interested in me because we both are technology enthusiasts (and both love AMD and underclocking) and mainly because I have natural red hair (and I'm the only girl he'll ever get mind you).
My bad. Your profile states you're 13. I didn't imagine you have use for a boyfriend at that age. Anyway. He's a man right? He'll do it you just have to watch out for it. :D  It's in our nature to look. It's also in your nature to beat us for it.
April 25, 2008 10:01:04 PM

Andrius said:
My bad. Your profile states you're 13. I didn't imagine you have use for a boyfriend at that age. Anyway. He's a man right? He'll do it you just have to watch out for it. :D  It's in our nature to look. It's also in your nature to beat us for it.



Meh, p3d0s are hard to come by those days. Going by the news you'd think they're everywhere. It's misleading. And I've had use for a bf since 12. They're useful for buying stuff and whatnot... :na: 
April 25, 2008 11:36:42 PM

dagger said:
Meh, p3d0s are hard to come by those days. Going by the news you'd think they're everywhere. It's misleading. And I've had use for a bf since 12. They're useful for buying stuff and whatnot... :na: 
Okey. I've never looked at it from an economic point of view. Good thinking.
I didn't really have any money to spend on girlfriends until I was 25 (a steady job) so I never thought of that benefit. :D 

Most of my spare cash went into PCs since I was twelve. Dune 2, Privateer, Master Of Orion FTW.
April 26, 2008 11:44:24 AM

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^ technology enthusiasts (and both love AMD and underclocking)



Look at the words not in parenthesis; then look at the words in them. That it was you call
and oxy-retard.



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and mainly because I have natural red hair



redheads unite!!


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(and I'm the only girl he'll ever get mind you).



The way I interpret that is near trash talking...
April 26, 2008 11:58:05 AM

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^ that's normal for me :)  (at least when I feel drunk)


and your how old again ma'am? - got sake don't tell me the youth of this country are that bad yet...
April 26, 2008 12:07:49 PM

*sigh*...
April 26, 2008 12:27:55 PM

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^ What would you say if my favourite drink is soda water + apple juice


I'd say I would be forced to bring the word "rug-rat" back into popular rotation...


April 26, 2008 12:46:34 PM

Hey umm.... you!! I'm the only one allowed to annoy missy!
April 26, 2008 1:39:57 PM

Mind tossing on some extra then for me?
April 26, 2008 1:58:35 PM

[to you: alright] Missy this man is trying to help you with your binge drinking and all you do is just ignore this generous man. He's even trying to teach you good habits and lessons about life and all you do is shrug those words off and make silly rhetorical questions and answers.
April 26, 2008 2:02:06 PM

macgirlfriend said:
[to you: alright] Missy this man is trying to help you with your binge drinking and all you do is just ignore this generous man. He's even trying to teach you good habits and lessons about life and all you do is shrug those words off and make silly rhetorical questions and answers.

And then teach you something else after you're drunk. :na: 
April 26, 2008 2:10:12 PM

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^ And who drank a 2L bottle of vodka at the yr6 farewell?


And who loves ginger beer, see you can't win!!
April 26, 2008 3:04:25 PM

How did this topic get from a cheap build question to teenage girls arguing over alcohol (and it's not cooling related)?

@ amdfangirl
Told you about the looking part. Now you will have to do the beating part. :D 
April 26, 2008 3:14:28 PM

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^ Beat up whom? I'm a pacifist remember
You'll know when it happens. Just keep an eye out. :D 
April 26, 2008 3:28:08 PM

Be patient. Aggressive tendencies are a spurr of the moment thing. Like a bug stinging you while mowing a lawn/gardening/washing a car/cycling(involves falling off and bending rims).
April 26, 2008 3:37:27 PM

[stand back] You really should think about your art skills, I mean like even I could draw better and your comic aren't even funny!!!
April 26, 2008 3:37:48 PM

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All animals are our friends, we don't hurt each other on purpose

Wasn't that the guy who got eaten by a lion at the zoo said? :na: 
April 26, 2008 4:59:12 PM

^My cat snores like a bear!

That hornet didn't sting me on purpose but it hurt like hell anyway and I had an 8cm bump on my chest for like a month. It's a good thing I didn't have my improvised flamethrower with me on my bike. :D 
April 26, 2008 5:30:00 PM

^Model aircraft fuel tank + injector flask + zippo ligher.
Hairspray would be an alternative. The zippo was the missing component.
April 26, 2008 6:13:24 PM

^I do that daily. I'm a programmer/logic designer. :heink: 
In my line of work the poeple who give orders never know what they want until you've written everything they ordered and debugged it to an acceptable level. Then they want additional features that increase the workload by 300% or so and they don't want the price to change. They also want free tech support for a year and that includes additional features.
Pain is good they say. I really wish I went into road construction instead. ;) 
April 27, 2008 12:18:26 AM

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^ Isn't that tar kinda stuff bad for your lungs
In general life itself is hazardous to your health. EMI/EMR from a computer isn't healthy either.
I say die "young"(like late 60/early 70 or so) and save yourself from the experiance of not being capable of taking care of yourself again. ;) 
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