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May 3, 2008 11:13:48 AM

Hi guys atlast i will be getting my new pc next weekend. I will be gaming at either one of these 3 resolutions,
1>1024*768
2>1280*1024 and
3>1440*900.

Have decided to go with the 780 sli motherboard (please suggest a good one better than this if u feel)and 2 GB DDR2 800 Mhz RAM.
After seeing the reviews of 9600 GT sli and 9800 gtx in the above mentioned 3 resolutions i find the 9600 gt sli somewhat 10-15 fps more than 9800 gtx in almost all games. So plz tell me what all r u opinons considering gaming at these 3 resolutions.

Actaully i am from India and here one 9600 GT card costs around 9000 indian rupees and 9800 gtx 19,000. So if 40Rs=1$ then 9600 gt sli will be 450$ and 9800 gtx 475$, so money wise and performance wise(again at these 3 resolutions) 9600 gt sli seems better to me.

E8500 is around 12,000 and Q6600 i around 10,000 and Q9300 is around 13,000. Now have to decided to go for another upgrade in 2010 around this time so i am thinking of going with E8500 as the main purpose of the pc will be gaming and gaming only.. E8400 is around 9000 and is E8500 really worth the extra 3000 rupees?? please post your suggestion on this also

Please suggest a PSU i.e. how many watts r required to run the pc smoothly eg. 600 or 7000W etc.

Also please suggest a good gaming mouse. On the logitech front i am interested in G5 laser mouse(here its around 2900 rupees http://www.theitdepot.com/Logitech/subcate...1&subcate_...) and i just happended to come to know about the Razer brand so suggest a good razer one if its better than G5 and btw advacne thanks for all your replies and hoping to get a good gaming rig next week.

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May 3, 2008 12:17:04 PM

For 3000 Rupees the E8400 is the way to go and leaves you more cash to put towards the graphic subset. How much are 8800GT/GTS's where you are?, because a pair of either will kick 2x 9600GT's quite squarely in the goolies.
For PSU a Corsair 620HX can easily run an E8400 @3.6ghz, 5x SATA II HDD's, 1 optical drive and 2 8800GT's on a 680i motherboard.
a b Î Nvidia
May 3, 2008 3:28:44 PM

Mousemonkey said:
For 3000 Rupees the E8400 is the way to go and leaves you more cash to put towards the graphic subset. How much are 8800GT/GTS's where you are?, because a pair of either will kick 2x 9600GT's quite squarely in the goolies.
For PSU a Corsair 620HX can easily run an E8400 @3.6ghz, 5x SATA II HDD's, 1 optical drive and 2 8800GT's on a 680i motherboard.


Thanks for that mousemonkey,
Made me smile I thought all the old technical words like goolies had slipped into obscurity. :lol:  :lol: 
Where exactly on the PCB are the goolies and does it differ from card to card ?
Mactronix
To thegame316
Hes not wrong the performance is worth it even if its slightly more expensive, you will thank your self later for getting them. Depends on the cost though.
Mactronix


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May 3, 2008 4:10:50 PM

hi guys thanks for your replies, the 8800 gt basic one costs around 13000(325$) and 8800 gts 512 around 17000(425$) so
8800 gt sli --> 650$
8800 gts 512 -->850$
9800 gtx --> 475 $
9600 gt sli --> 450$

I just want to have a good gaming fps atleast till 2009 end at these resolutions, so please post your suggestions.

Also can i go for E8400 hoping E8500 will cost only 4-6fps greater and does PCIe 2.0 make a big difference, i hope 8800 gt and gts 512 r not pcie2.0 as mentioned in the tom's hardware article.

Also here 780 sli costs around 16000 and 680i costs 9500 almost 160$ lesser than 780sli one, so 780 sli with 9600 gt sli is good or worse compared to 680 sli with 8800gt sli(will go for 8800gt sli if Pcie2.0 is not that big say less than 7-8 fps faster than 680 sli one)
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May 3, 2008 5:09:50 PM

thegame316 said:
hi guys thanks for your replies, the 8800 gt basic one costs around 13000(325$) and 8800 gts 512 around 17000(425$) so
8800 gt sli --> 650$
8800 gts 512 -->850$
9800 gtx --> 475 $
9600 gt sli --> 450$

I just want to have a good gaming fps atleast till 2009 end at these resolutions, so please post your suggestions.

Also can i go for E8400 hoping E8500 will cost only 4-6fps greater and does PCIe 2.0 make a big difference, i hope 8800 gt and gts 512 r not pcie2.0 as mentioned in the tom's hardware article.

Also here 780 sli costs around 16000 and 680i costs 9500 almost 160$ lesser than 780sli one, so 780 sli with 9600 gt sli is good or worse compared to 680 sli with 8800gt sli(will go for 8800gt sli if Pcie2.0 is not that big say less than 7-8 fps faster than 680 sli one)

I don't know how much 3D '06 scores influence your purchasing decisions but an E8400 @3.0ghz on a 680i board with a pair of 8800GT's gets over 14K and @3.6ghz its over 16k and I myself have not seen any evidence that shows the 780i to be significantly faster so unless you really need tri - sli capability I think the 780i is a waste of money.

@mactronix, Look between the laughter bar and the giggle pin, but some cards hide them behind the beefy curtains it all depends on the card really. :lol: 
May 3, 2008 8:42:03 PM

Hey thegame316, where do you stay in India...you get the E8400 for Rs.8000 in Mumbai/Pune. I strongly suggest you go for that instead of the E8500.

Also chuck the SLI board, Rs.16,000 is a terrible waste of money for the performance achieved thru SLI. Get the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ..its avail for ~Rs5000 anywhere. Thats the very best non SLI board out there. A lightening fast GPU is a much much better option than SLI.

Also when do you plan to build your rig, cos the Radeon 4870/4850 series are releasing at the end of May. The cards should be in India in June. So instead of the spending money for the SLI board, spend it on these cards. satisfaction guaranteed :)  ....
May 3, 2008 10:38:19 PM

I like the price/performance of the pair of 9600GT. More often than not it does beat the 9800GTX, sometimes by alot.

But either solution seems overkill for those three resolutions. At your resolution, Crysis is about the only game a single GPU would struggle at. You may be just fine with a single fairly cheap 9600GT. For Crysis, I could see you wanting more.

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May 4, 2008 6:51:44 AM

mihirkula said:
Hey thegame316, where do you stay in India...you get the E8400 for Rs.8000 in Mumbai/Pune. I strongly suggest you go for that instead of the E8500.

Also chuck the SLI board, Rs.16,000 is a terrible waste of money for the performance achieved thru SLI. Get the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ..its avail for ~Rs5000 anywhere. Thats the very best non SLI board out there. A lightening fast GPU is a much much better option than SLI.

Also when do you plan to build your rig, cos the Radeon 4870/4850 series are releasing at the end of May. The cards should be in India in June. So instead of the spending money for the SLI board, spend it on these cards. satisfaction guaranteed :)  ....


Yes i would tend to agree with this advise i didnt have time to reply last night but thinking about it at the resolutions you are going to be using SLI or crossfire of any kind is overkill really. A P35 board will OC well if you want to and the 8500 definatly isnt worth the extra.
If you dont fancy waiting for the ATI cards or just prefer Nvidia then i woould just match the above board and CPU with a 8800GT 512 which you can also overclock yourself, the GTS isnt worth the 4000 differance.
Oh and the PCIE 2.0 thing isnt a problem its backwards compatable meaning a 2.0 card will run in a 1.0 slot.
Mactronix :) 
May 4, 2008 5:15:32 PM

thegame316 said:
hi guys thanks for your replies, the 8800 gt basic one costs around 13000(325$) and 8800 gts 512 around 17000(425$) so
8800 gt sli --> 650$
8800 gts 512 -->850$
9800 gtx --> 475 $
9600 gt sli --> 450$

I just want to have a good gaming fps atleast till 2009 end at these resolutions, so please post your suggestions.

Also can i go for E8400 hoping E8500 will cost only 4-6fps greater and does PCIe 2.0 make a big difference, i hope 8800 gt and gts 512 r not pcie2.0 as mentioned in the tom's hardware article.

Also here 780 sli costs around 16000 and 680i costs 9500 almost 160$ lesser than 780sli one, so 780 sli with 9600 gt sli is good or worse compared to 680 sli with 8800gt sli(will go for 8800gt sli if Pcie2.0 is not that big say less than 7-8 fps faster than 680 sli one)



That's a hell of a price!!! In Indonesia 8800gt is about 275$ - 280$, the 8800gts about 300$ - 350$, 9800gtx is about 390$ - 400$ and the 9600gt is cheap ass around 175$ - 200$. Save 50$ - 100$, is really that expensive??? I've got 8800gts about that time, the price is about 320$, save 100$ more!!! Even now you've got enjoyed the new rigg.
May 4, 2008 6:18:36 PM

Hi guys as usual thanks for your replies, what i thought was to get a pc now and go for upgrades once in 2 years say next one around this time in 2010 and want to run games at my mentioned resolutions with high settings expect for ones like Crysis and the future ones with at alteast >50 fps. The reason i am sticking with these resloutions is that i got View Sonic VX1945 wm, a 19 inch monitor that has 1440*900 as native resolution and i got it for 12,700 indian rupees in Aug 2007 and logitech X-530 for 5,700 (Aug 2007) so have no plans of changing them for the next 2 years(leave the speakers :p  )

So in 2010 looking to get a bigger monitor and a new rig so i thought of spending 20,000 for GPU and in that range i find 9600 gt sli and 9800 gtx and 9600 gt sli seems to do good at my resolutions.

BTW does higher fps mean that game is running smoothly i mean 9600 gt sli has greater fps than 9800 gtx in most games so does it mean that the quality is also better??? please answer this

And people those who have 9600 gt sli and 9800 gtx, please post your benchmarks!!!!

Hi mihirkula, i am from chennai and friday i made a call to delta peripherals ( www.deltapage.com ) and xfx 9800 gtx costs around 18,800. I look for prices in www.theitwares.com and http://www.price-list.110mb.com/

So am going for
1> CPU --> E8400 (done)
2> RAM --> 2 GB DDR2 800 Mhz RAM (done)
3> GPU --> My budget is 20,000 and in that range 9600 gt sli or 9800 gtx comes so whats ur choice
4> PSU --> no idea, please advise me on that as i have no idea as they say 20 amp on 12V rail blah blah, they seem to be latin and french to me
5> Mobo --> Am ready to get 780 sli or 680 sli (if 9600 gt sli is better than 9800 gtx) so guys having 9800 gtx or 9600 gt sli plz post ur benchmarks, i hope 780 sli is around 16,000 and 680 sli around 9,000 so does 7000 make 780 sli worth it???
6> Mouse --> happened to c Razer diamondback mouse and here its around 2800, so whats ur choice on it.

Saw this review for 9600 gt sli vs 9800 gtx but still not clear as to go for which one...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce9...
May 4, 2008 6:46:49 PM

9600SLI beats the cr@p out of the 9800GTX .... this link will give you an idea

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800...

Yes more FPS means smoother gameplay.

Now the 9600GT requires about 25A on +12v rail. Check the PSU FAQ in Toms Forums. It will give you a clear idea.

Now if you're gonna SLI, you'd need a powerful PSU, at least 550W.... the Corsair 550VX is a great choice for precisely that. The snag in that is you'd have to spend a lot of money on a higher end PSU if you SLI..........and thats not "The" problem, its just "a" problem ... ...the biggest snag is that good branded PSUs like Corsair, Antec or PCP&C are very hard to find in India.... ........................do NOT under any circumstances buy local made PSUs.

If you leave SLI aside and get a single fast card you could do very well with a 450W PSU which is a LOT cheaper.....though you would still have to hunt for a branded PSU.

Its unfortunate the dealers in India make a killing out of robbing customers, but that's how it is. Since you're going to upgrade one and a half years later anyway, i suggest you stick with 8800GT.... check its benchmarks in the link i posted above.... also know that the human eye cannot possibly detect FPS more than 60 .... since you mentioned you needn't max out Crysis, just so u knw, my rig (in my signature) plays Crysis very smoothly on HIGH settings. Check the benchies for Crysis too in the same link.
May 4, 2008 7:03:54 PM

Hi mihirkula, the link u posted has resolutions way beyound the ones i need. What resolution do u game @ and since i have a budget of 20 k for the GPU i shall buy 9800 gtx and save money on the PSU if gaming experiece is really nice and save money for the future......
May 4, 2008 7:10:25 PM

thegame316 said:
Hi mihirkula, the link u posted has resolutions way beyound the ones i need. What resolution do u game @ and since i have a budget of 20 k for the GPU i shall buy 9800 gtx and save money on the PSU if gaming experiece is really nice and save money for the future......

See this benchmark:
http://www.guru3d.com/category/vga_2/
May 4, 2008 8:24:11 PM

thegame..i game at 1600x1200...... i forgot you game at 1440....anyways dagger's link answers your query regarding the performance....

Do let me know when and where you find a good branded PSU there.... there are like half a million Indians on the lookout for quality PSUs for affordable prices.

You'd have to flash the BIOS for the E8400 on the 680 SLI...
May 5, 2008 3:38:58 PM

Hi guys, just few hours before i enquired about the prices(in chennai, India all including taxes) and here are they

XFX 680i LT SLI --> 9880 ( 247$)
XFX 680i SLI --> 11440 ( 286$)
XFX 780i SLI --> 15080 ( 377 $)
Any brand factory settings 9600 GT --> 11000 (275$)
Any brand factory settings 8800 GT --> 13000 (325$)
Any brand factory settings 9800 GTX --> 20000 ( 500 $)

Didnt get the Intel's X38 mobo price but i hope its around the 680i sli mark (280-300 $)

Interestingly the shop person said 8800 gts 512 supply has been stopped and last time when i saw the price was around 19000 (475$)

So which combination u guys feel will help me play games (atleast 80% of games)at good fps >50 fps till 2009 end

1> X38 and 9800 gtx (800$)
2> 680 sli and 9600 gt sli (830$)
3> 780 sli and 9600 gt sli (925$)
4> 780 sli and 8800 gt sli (1025$)
or any other combination

Am sorry for bugging u guys reg the mobo and gpu for a while but i just want to make a good investment as it has been a long time since i played games at high settings!!!!

Planning to get the rig before May 15....
May 5, 2008 11:07:50 PM

8800GT SLI > 9600GT SLI > 9800GTX most of the time. Hard to know how any current solution will game in 2009, especially if a game you want to play turns out to be the next Crysis.

You may want to buy a single 9600GT or 8800GT which will do well at your low res now. Then upgrade a year or so from now if/when you need more performance in a game you want to play. 14x9 all high in Crysis @ 50 fps is no small feat though for a single gpu. For that you may want to OC your CPU and go with an SLI solution. But you don't need 50 fps in Crysis.... Main thing in that game is staying above 25 fps IMO.
May 10, 2008 2:00:56 PM

Hi guys and sorry guys for once again bugging you but i bet this will be the last bug. Now i feel i can go for a bigger upgrade next year with the nehlam processors and geforce 10 series as after going through many reviews i find 8800 gt to be awesome and once again sorry if i am wasting your time as ppl here have already told to go with 8800 gt, anyways thanks for your replies.

So here is my config(will get it next week as i got occupied for this weekend)
CPU --> E8400
GPU --> 8800 gt
Mobo --> ??
Psu -- >??

I request you guys to give your suggestions to my below questions...

1> Which is the cheapest mobo that can utilise the full capacity of E8400 and 8800 gt, i mean no bottlenecks. Please keep in mind that i will be going for DDR2 800 Mhz RAM so please suggest a good one and main thing is i am planning to spend less than 7000 rupees for the mobo or close to that.
For E8400, i found the following from Intel site
http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.asp...
Please suggest a good mobo
http://www.theitwares.com/motherboards/motherboards.htm

2> What PSU to run this config and have to decided to do next upgrade next year by this time or when 8800 gt cant handle games at good fps. BTW i wont do any upgrades till next year which means no more GPUs or other components so please tell a good PSU
http://www.theitwares.com/smps/smps.htm
Budget --> 5000 - 7000
3> I hope 8800 gt is a good card compared to 9600 gt as i read in one site that 9600 gt could beat 8800 gt when new drivers comes out. Currently here in India 9600 gt is around 2000 less than 8800 gt so i dont want to become a fool in another 3-4 months or when nvidia update the drivers
4> Any suggesstions on Razer diamond mice
5> i have Sony dru810 dvd (IDE) dvd writer and i use it very rarely and also a CD writer. Should i go for a new SATA dvd writer or can my mobo occupy my old IDE drive (does new mobo have IDE connectors)
6> A good cabinet please
http://www.theitwares.com/cabinets/cabinets.htm

It would be nice if people could reply to my post by giving their suggestions as
1> ...
2> ...
3>...
4>...
5>...

or any way u wish... thanks!!!!!!!!
May 10, 2008 2:22:28 PM

1) Get x38/48 motherboard. All the chipsets listed can run e8400 at stock, but x38/48 is the only one that won't bottleneck it and allow e8400 to overclock to its limits.

2) A typical 500watt psu will be enough.

3) 8800gt>9600gt. A 9600gt run on g94 core, with 64 stream processors, which is basically half a 8800gts's g92 core, with 128 stream processors. It makes up for part of this defect by running at a higher clock at stock. The 8800gt's downsized g92 core use 112 stream processors. The amount of hardware and raw power is different. A single stock 9600gt cannot beat a stock 8800gt in any applications, using any systems, under any circumstances. Whatever benchmark you see indicating this is fake. 2 9600gt in sli perform on par with 2 8800gt in sli, but only due to driver optimizations Nvidia give it. Future driver may give similar optimization to 8800 sli, thus rising its performance. 9600 sli already had its potiential spent, and thus, cannot possibly get faster.
See benchmark:
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/02/g80-vs-g92-hi-end-ge...
9600gt is good value since it's cheaper, just don't expect to perform the same.

4) A mouse is a mouse. Mice is more than one mouse. :p 

5) Yes, new motherboard will have at least one IDE port, good for 2 devices. If the drive works, keep it. There's no performance difference for DVD drives.

6) Lol, why do they call it cabinet, as opposed to case? :na: 
I like the Cooler Master models with mesh front panels (same as speaker covers), which let air through. Still, a case is a case. Get any one with good air flow.
May 10, 2008 9:17:50 PM

Hi dagger :sol: 

Great reply ;) 
for pts 4 and 6

1> Here X38 comes for around 13,000 and 780i for 14,500, could you please suggest a board thats costs less but uses the max of 8800gt and e8400 from this link http://www.theitwares.com/motherbo [...] boards.htm
where the price is less than 7000

2> Again please select a one with price less than 6000 or 7000
http://www.theitwares.com/smps/smps.htm

3> 8800 gt selected and am thinking of going with evga, please suggest one from
http://www.theitwares.com/gfxcards/gfxcards.htm

4> Will try Razer ones

5> thanks

6> Again select a one from http://www.theitwares.com/cabinets/cabinets.htm

and price less than 4000
May 11, 2008 12:07:22 AM

1) To oc e8400 to its limit of 4+ghz (typically 4.3), there is no choice but x38/48. But a cheap p35, which oc the same as 780i, should allow you to go up to at least 3.6ghz.

2) This one looks good. Any typical 500+ watt psu should do fine.
http://www.corsairmemory.com/products/hx.aspx

3) Just get the cheapest 8800gt 512mb listed. Factory oc is same as do-it-yourself oc.

4) I'm sure it'll do fine

6) This one looks good, from specs.
http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=de...
May 11, 2008 12:54:37 AM

My only problem with the X38/48 is no SLI support. A gamer will see way more advantages with a second GPU than between a fairly pointless (at gaming resolutions) 3.6GHz or 4.0GHz e8400 difference.

I'm struggling with this myself as I want an a new test rig with an e8400 in it. I want 4.0GHz, but I want to test SLI. Crossfire would be nice, but plays second fiddle in importance to SLI for me right now. I've seen 780i with 525MHz FSB OC'es on review sites, but also seen some stability issues hopefully being addressed with each new bios. SO far I've just waited for the right mobo and e8400 prices to settle. I missed the $140 Compusa deal. :( 
May 11, 2008 10:33:25 AM

Hi dagger :)  , am not interested in ocing the e8400 but may or maynot(mostly) the gpu also. So now i need to settle on two points i.e. 1> mobo and 2> smps

1> shall i get 780i board which is the same price as x38 here so that i can hold it for another 2 years as i need not change the cpu and ram and also if the 10 series gpu (nvidia fan :kaola:  )is not that great i could get 8800 gt and sli them or get 9800 gt.

2> heard people saying u need 20 or 26 (dont know though) amp on 12V rail etc... so will this http://www.corsairmemory.com/products/hx.aspx
Corsair HX620W Specifications: Model CMPSU-620HX
AC INPUT 90-264V ~ 10A 50/60Hz
DC OUTPUT +3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 +12V3 -12V +5Vsb
MAX CURRENT 24A 30A 18A 18A 18A 0.8A 3A
MAX COMBINED WATTAGE 170W 600W 9.6W 15W

do good for 8800gt as i c 18A for 12V again these r like spanish or french to me, please can u post the power requirements of 8800 gt and its sli..

So if 780i is good for next 2 years i will get it else please suggest a cheap mobo (will not overclock my e8400)..

Also thanks pauldh for your reply...
May 11, 2008 10:35:43 AM

Hi dagger :)  , am not interested in ocing the e8400 but may or maynot(mostly) the gpu also. So now i need to settle on two points i.e. 1> mobo and 2> smps

1> shall i get 780i board which is the same price as x38 here so that i can hold it for another 2 years as i need not change the cpu and ram and also if the 10 series gpu (nvidia fan :kaola:  )is not that great i could get 8800 gt and sli them or get 9800 gt.

2> heard people saying u need 20 or 26 (dont know though) amp on 12V rail etc... so will this http://www.corsairmemory.com/products/hx.aspx
Corsair HX620W Specifications: Model CMPSU-620HX
AC INPUT 90-264V ~ 10A 50/60Hz
DC OUTPUT +3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 +12V3 -12V +5Vsb
MAX CURRENT 24A 30A 18A 18A 18A 0.8A 3A
MAX COMBINED WATTAGE 170W 600W 9.6W 15W

do good for 8800gt as i c 18A for 12V again these r like spanish or french to me, please can u post the power requirements of 8800 gt and its sli..

So if 780i is good for next 2 years i will get it else please suggest a cheap mobo (will not overclock my e8400)..

Also thanks pauldh for your reply...
May 11, 2008 10:37:29 AM

sorry for the double post guys
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May 11, 2008 11:00:12 AM

@thegame316, A Corsair 620HX will be fine for your needs. Click on my config to see what can be run by one of them (under my avatar).
May 11, 2008 11:01:53 AM

In Malaysia,
(Least price for good ones)(RM3.2=USD1)
9800GTX-RM1200(USD375)
8800GTS512-RM950(USD295)
8800GT512-RM700(USD220)
9600GT-RM549(USD170)
8800GS768-RM499(USD155)
8800GS384-RM449(USD140)
And of course, if you talk well, prices may be cheaper too.
Yet I love the States.

For your case, I think you should get a E8400, a 680I, and a 8800GTS if you really wanna save money.
Cheers
May 11, 2008 3:07:22 PM

1) Consider a q6600 for quad core over dual, if you get 780i. It cost the same here in US, not sure about where you are. The drawback of Q6600 is it does not overclock much beyond 3.6ghz, but if your e8400 is bottlenecked at the same speed anyway, 4 cores are better than 2.

2) It's 3 12v rails at 18amps each. If it's just one, it would be too low. But you'll be fine with 3.

Do not get a 680i. For more information on that particular chipset, google "ram killer." It runs hot and oc horribly too. Most people do not get past 2.8ghz on it. If you use e8400, it won't even be able to run at stock 3.0ghz. Why do you need the headaches?
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a b 4 Gaming
May 11, 2008 3:17:50 PM

dagger said:
1) Consider a q6600 for quad core over dual, if you get 780i. It cost the same here in US, not sure about where you are. The drawback of Q6600 is it does not overclock much beyond 3.6ghz, but if your e8400 is bottlenecked at the same speed anyway, 4 cores are better than 2.

2) It's 3 12v rails at 18amps each. If it's just one, it would be too low. But you'll be fine with 3.

Do not get a 680i. For more information on that particular chipset, google "ram killer." It runs hot and oc horribly too. Most people do not get past 2.8ghz on it. If you use e8400, it won't even be able to run at stock 3.0ghz. Why do you need the headaches?

:pfff:  So how comes my E8400 runs @3.6ghz in an IN9 32X-MAX Wi-Fi which uses the 680i chipset?
May 11, 2008 3:21:55 PM

Mousemonkey said:
:pfff:  So how comes my E8400 runs @3.6ghz in an IN9 32X-MAX Wi-Fi which uses the 680i chipset?

That's good for you. There's no need for me to dispute that. Wait until the other 680i owners see it. Or the OP can just search for "680i overclock" on the forum. :p 
a c 171 Î Nvidia
a b 4 Gaming
May 11, 2008 3:45:22 PM

dagger said:
That's good for you. There's no need for me to dispute that. Wait until the other 680i owners see it. Or the OP can just search for "680i overclock" on the forum. :p 

No worries, I'll leave this as a reminder that you still don't know squat. :lol: 
May 11, 2008 5:18:40 PM

OP...just get that 8800GT and 620HX without further thought...you'd be very happy with the performance...... as i already said, SLI is cr@p for the performance it gives for the price you pay...anyway 780 boards are well enough... though I would personally go with X38 if i want a multi GPU mobo. If you read my earlier post again, you will find a little info regarding Radeon 4850...contemplate it again.

Regardless of what anyone says, E8400 is a better gamer than Q6600... enough of dual vs quad threads already....

PS: You don't need more than 550W for that setup...if you find a Corsair 550VX for a cheaper rate than the 620hx, go for that instead. Otherwise 620HX is swell.

Happy Shopping. cheers
a c 171 Î Nvidia
a b 4 Gaming
May 11, 2008 5:30:20 PM

dagger said:
Good for you. Now go read all those threads about other people ocing on 680i. :sarcastic: 

What for?, and how will that change my results?
May 11, 2008 6:33:43 PM

Mousemonkey said:
What for?, and how will that change my results?

OP wants an idea on how well his machine will do on different hardware configurations. The purpose of this thread isn't for us to pat ourselves in the back, there are oc competition threads for that, it's to help OP. Your 1337 result isn't useful to him. The average result form typical people are.
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May 11, 2008 6:45:04 PM

Then please stop with the misleading or wholly inaccurate information and 'facts'.
May 11, 2008 6:51:43 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Then please stop with the misleading or wholly inaccurate information and 'facts'.

I'll leave you be and let others question the wisdom regarding trying to persuade OP with the choice of 680i with e8400. :na: 

No one has the right to question what you do with your money. It's just when you try to get others with stuff like this, there's a problem. :sarcastic: 
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May 11, 2008 7:16:23 PM

dagger said:
I'll leave you be and let others question the wisdom regarding trying to persuade OP with the choice of 680i with e8400. :na: 

No one has the right to question what you do with your money. It's just when you try to get others with stuff like this, there's a problem. :sarcastic: 

At what point did I try to persuade the OP to purchase an E8400 and a 680i motherboard?

dagger wrote :
Quote:


1) Consider a q6600 for quad core over dual, if you get 780i. It cost the same here in US, not sure about where you are. The drawback of Q6600 is it does not overclock much beyond 3.6ghz, but if your e8400 is bottlenecked at the same speed anyway, 4 cores are better than 2.

2) It's 3 12v rails at 18amps each. If it's just one, it would be too low. But you'll be fine with 3.

Do not get a 680i. For more information on that particular chipset, google "ram killer." It runs hot and oc horribly too. Most people do not get past 2.8ghz on it. If you use e8400, it won't even be able to run at stock 3.0ghz. Why do you need the headaches?

I was pointing out the inaccuracy in your statement as the E8400 does indeed run at it's stock 3ghz and will also OC to 3.6ghz and beyond, if the OP wishes to consider a 680i motherboard then that is their prerogative.
May 11, 2008 10:24:16 PM

mihirkula said:
OP...just get that 8800GT and 620HX without further thought...you'd be very happy with the performance...... as i already said, SLI is cr@p for the performance it gives for the price you pay...anyway 780 boards are well enough... though I would personally go with X38 if i want a multi GPU mobo. If you read my earlier post again, you will find a little info regarding Radeon 4850...contemplate it again.

Regardless of what anyone says, E8400 is a better gamer than Q6600... enough of dual vs quad threads already....

PS: You don't need more than 550W for that setup...if you find a Corsair 550VX for a cheaper rate than the 620hx, go for that instead. Otherwise 620HX is swell.

Happy Shopping. cheers

I don't agree with you at all. The e8400 is not a better gaming CPU than a Q6600 for starters. Stock speeds at low res and no eye candy sure it may be 150 vs 165 fps...big whoop. Who games that way? What happens at typical gaming resolutions? Hmm, is that a stock Q6600 matching /beating a 4.17GHz e8500 in these games - http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e8... http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e8... And when it doesn't, bump that Q6600 to 3.6GHz and it will hang with anything. OC both, and there is no playable difference between an e8400 and a Q6600. Either is a match for any GPU solution you can throw at it.

And SLI rocks whether you care to admit it or not. For instance, 9600GT will typically beat a single 9800GTX for less money. Dual 8800GT will spank any single GPU card in many games. Cracks me up you push a CPU that could only be advantageous at a low res nobody games at, yet you see no value in a dual GPU solution that can provide a real playable difference at settings that a single GPU can't handle. :sarcastic: 

For the OP, either an e8400 or a Q6600 paired with a single 8800GT, 8800GTS G92, or SLI 9600GT or above would all be good options. If he wants an SLI mobo just in case, go for it...I don't blame him. If he gets a few less MHz out of his e8400 OC, that's little compared to what adding that second gpu could do for him.
May 11, 2008 10:31:10 PM

Yep, right now, e8400 is, in theory, faster. But the cpu isn't the bottleneck so it doesn't matter anyway. In 2 more years, when your cpu is past its prime and becoming bottlenecked, quad thread games will be out, resulting in quad beating dual by a big margin.

In other words, dual is faster at a time when it doesn't matter, quad will be faster at a time when it does. :p 
May 11, 2008 10:40:29 PM

Yeah, kinda the way I see it although both max OC'ed I'm not so sure the e8400 would win a decisive victory even at low res cpu scaling settings. Xbit labs showed at low res, an OC'ed Q6600 at 3.6GHz was ahead of a 3.85Ghz e6850 in most games, even single threaded Fear. I would like to see one review tackle e8400 vs Q6600 at low res cpu scaling settings and high res more typical gaming settings in a bunch of games. I bet there would be a few games the Q would win even at low res. Too bad FS didn't OC that Q6600 to 3.6GHz in their e8500 review. I just see either as excellent options.
May 11, 2008 11:03:42 PM

^...in case you haven't noticed, OP lives in India....you get the worst possible deals for SLI boards there....now if you buy an SLI rig there for that price, and you start playing Crysis, you're bound to be excruciatingly disappointed .... especially when a good performance is gained through a non sli board bought for a stunning price difference.

So remember, whatever you said holds good for a dude buying SLI in the US....NOT in India.

Regarding the E8400 vs Q6600...i ain't gonna type my rants/shenanigans/knowledge/wisdom/**** here since i've been through that like 934832942 times in those many number of threads....and nobody wins. So i prefer neither to counterargue those 5 lines nor care..lmao
May 12, 2008 12:17:45 AM

Yeah, I wouldn't spend alot more for a SLI mobo just in case someday he wants to add a second card. I'd be surprised if SLI mobos cost more than X38/X48 mobos though. If he goes with a Q6600 or e6750 he could grab a cheap 650i mobo that can still decently OC and should not be too outrageously priced. If we are talking a decent cheap P35, that is a different story. I am all for those on a budget and put the money saved into a a GPU upgrade (say 9600GT to G92 GTS).

And it could be true on SLI mobo prices though. I can't argue that either way without knowing. I'm honestly all about price/performance so if the mobo adds $100, that is part of the system cost that may then put an SLI solution out of budget or at least good price/performance status anyway.

I just see people spend $200-300 for a nice OC'ing X38/48 mobo just to hit 4.0GHz on an e8400, and then they use a G92, so crossfire is out. While I'd like such a system myself for OC'in & benching fun, I'd rather game anyday with a 3.2GHz Dual or Quad and dual G92.
May 12, 2008 8:02:32 AM

Sorry to have u guys in some cold war tension because of my choices, anyways have decided to go with the X38 board as if i go for 780, i would get only 8800gt sli and not interested to get big guns in sli and also if i go for a p35 board then i would have to change the processor, gpu, ram and ofcourse the board whereas i hope x38 will last for a couple of years and e8400 with a 9900 or higher series can make play games at good fps.

Now please tell me which is the best of these...
1>GA-EX38-DQ6
2>GA-EX38-DS4
3>GA-EX38-DS5
4>GA-X38-DQ6
5>GA-X38-DS4
6>GA-X38-DS5


May 12, 2008 10:19:14 AM

^...lol no worries....a little bickering leads to new ideas :) 

X38 gives a very good performance...but you cannot SLI on X38 board... you can only Crossfire, that is you can hook up two Radeon GPUs only and not Nvidia GPUs.....

why would you have to change the CPU, GPU and RAM if you get P35? You can have the same CPU, GPU and RAM on both X38 and P35 boards.

GA-EX38-DS4 gets my vote.
May 12, 2008 11:42:25 AM

Hmm, no problem. No tension, we are just trying to see you get the best for your money.

8800GT SLI is a big gun so not sure why you would think you need to go to a higher GPU for SLI. 9600GT and SLI is fine, don't let the FAQ confuse you thinking you need to go 8800GTX to take advantage of SLI. 8800GT SLI would dominate a 9800GTX or 8800Ultra, but obviously it's your call.

May 12, 2008 12:28:02 PM

The problem with sli setup is that you have to pay much more. 780i perform the same as p35, but cost $100 more. It cost the same as x38, but perform much poorer. 650i/680i cost less, but runs hot even at stock, has horrible fsb ceiling, and is known as the "ram killer" (google it). Nvidia chipset itself is just bad. It's better to buy a motherboard for the motherboard's performance itself, and not gemmicks like sli. Keep in mind sli is no greater than crossfire. Nvidia and ATI historically take turns as industry leader. The chances are 50/50 for either to lead at any given moment. ATI was leading with the X1950, which wasn't that long ago. And some say it'll take back the crown with the 4870, to be released at end of this month. The point is, Nvidia's hot streak won't last forever. Someday not far away, you may find yourself stuck with an inferior Nvidia motherboard with sli becoming useless because ATI has the better graphics cards.
May 12, 2008 12:50:57 PM

I agree with you, it's a shame that the best stable high OCin mobo's don't support SLI.

And while X38 performance may beat 780i with one gpu at low res scaling or at overclocking, you need to look at the bigger picture when we talk a gaming system. Games are more GPU limited and no matter what you OC an X38 and single GPU, it will not touch a 780i Dual GPU SLI system at high res in most newer games. You would need a dual GPU 9800GX2, which adds to the cost and makes it a more expensive solution.

I have done loads of 650i SLI builds without a single issue. So I really am not scared one bit of a "RAM killer". 650i is more stable than 680i from what I have seen of mobo reviews. But that is looking at specific mobos, not chipsets as a whole. Most ram killer comments I have seen are on forums and they are geared toward very specific 680i mobos not 650i/680i as a whole. It's not like all X38 mobos have a perfect record of recommendations and top performance either, look at them with launch Bios's ;) . And really, Most users would be just as well off with a P35. Not everyone is an extreme OC'er and wants a $200 mobo.

Future wise, things may change; Hopefully they do. But right now the best gaming experience (as far as max playable eye candy) is had on an SLI mobo and not an X38 or X48.

May 12, 2008 2:28:02 PM

Guys whats the difference between these 6 boards,
1>GA-EX38-DQ6
2>GA-EX38-DS4
3>GA-EX38-DS5
4>GA-X38-DQ6
5>GA-X38-DS4
6>GA-X38-DS5

I was able to omit other X38 based boards from their ddr3 support only, mihirkula can u please tell me how did u select GA-EX38-DS4 (apart from prices and from our dagger boss :lol:  signature )as when i made the comparsion on gigabyte site i was able to c only RAM support and difference in cooling systems

Anyways now confused in going for sli or not :kaola:  ;) 

From 6 questions i have trimmed down to one and thank you guys for your suggestions especially pauldh, dagger, mihirkula
and mousemonkey..

The final question is will the Corsair HX620W support(fully satisfy power needs) x38 or 780i and 8800 gt sli or higher end nvidia cards (9900 and above --future upgrade) as i want to make a one time investment(min 2 yrs).
May 12, 2008 2:38:43 PM

First decide if you want SLI or not. If you want SLI none of those mobos will work apart from the overpriced 9800GX2. If a single G92 is your plan, and SLI is not important, than look at those Gigabytes. They are currently coming out with their "green" e series replacing the older boards. The Ex models have their DES. You can see a review here:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1227&pageID=4503

And link to DES explained:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1227&pageID=4497

Oh, and yeah that power supply can run any single card and SLI G92 also. I run SLI 8800GT and Overclocked Q6600, 2HDD, 2optical drives on an Antec TP3 550W with 41 amps combined 12v.
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