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9600XT out performing X1600 PRO

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May 6, 2008 6:02:43 AM

Hello,

just picked up an ATI X1600 PRO 512 mb AGP cheap on ebay to replace a Rosewill 9600XT 128mb AGP in an old computer but found that the 9600XT out performs the X1600 on 3DMARK03. The 9600 scores 8500 to 8800 while the X1600 scores 7700 to 7900.
FPS on the 9600 are higher in all test than the X1600 as well.

looking at the specs for the two cards, I would have expected the X1600 to do much better.
Can't figure out why it's not.

9600XT
driver- Catalyst 5.6
colling- dual slot aftermarket cooler
core clock- 500 mhz
memory- 128 MB / 128 bit
mem clock- 600 mhz
mem bandwidth- 9.6 GB/sec
shader ops.- 2000 Mops/sec
Pixel fill- 2000 Mpixels/sec
texture fill- 2000 Mtexels/sec
Vertex ops- 250 Mvertices

X1600 PRO
dirver- Catalyst 8.4
cooling- stock
core clock- 500 mhz
memory- 512 MB / 128 bit
mem clock- 800 mhz
mem bandwidth- 12.48 GB/sec
shader ops.- 6000 Mops/sec
Pixel fill- 2000 Mpixels/sec
texture fill- 2000 Mtexels/sec
Vertex ops- 625 Mvertices

is this card not functioning properly?
do I not have it set up right?

mobo- MSI KM2M combo-L
CPU- Atlon XP 1600 (1.42 GHz)
RAM- 1.5 GB PC2100 (266 MHz)
PSU- Chief Max 425W
+3.3v = 26A
+5v = 30A
+12v = 12A
-12v = .8A
-5v = .3A
+5VSB = 2A
May 6, 2008 6:26:15 AM

It sounds like the PSU might be the issue. 12A on the 12V rail is not very much.
May 6, 2008 6:57:19 AM

I would agree that you don't have enough amps on the 12V rail to really run the GPU you have. If you get the Antec Earthwatts 380w PSU or similar quality PSU you'll be fine. It goes for about $30-50 depending on the time of the month or specials that it has from time to time. It has 27A on the 12V rails and will be plenty for your setup. You can get more, if you like, and use the new PSU in a newer build later. It's up to you.
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May 6, 2008 8:05:14 AM

lunyone said:
I would agree that you don't have enough amps on the 12V rail to really run the GPU you have. If you get the Antec Earthwatts 380w PSU or similar quality PSU you'll be fine. It goes for about $30-50 depending on the time of the month or specials that it has from time to time. It has 27A on the 12V rails and will be plenty for your setup. You can get more, if you like, and use the new PSU in a newer build later. It's up to you.


Yes that PSU does look weak and should be replaced. However just check that all tests are being run on both cards, some times newer cards that are low midrange for there generation will score low on 3dm tests that were designed to test older generation cards especially if the older card was considered good for its time. Usually this is down to the newer card having the abillity to do more or better effects than the older card.
A good example of this was the X800 cards and the 7600GT/1650XT. what you basically ended up with was a slightly faster FPS but a better picture due to the effects the cards were capable of.
Mactronix
May 6, 2008 8:07:02 AM

I kinda figured that.
guess I'll get a PSU and swap that aftermarket cooler form the 9600

Thanks.
May 6, 2008 7:34:22 PM

Did you have a budget for your PSU purchase? We can help fine tune the purchase process for you, if you have a budget.
May 7, 2008 6:14:10 AM

this is one of three computers I have, mostly used by my wife and daughter.
kinda looking at it as a challange to squeeze as much performance as possible out of it.
I'm also trying to get an Athlon 2600 2.13 GHz cpu to run but can't get it to boot through to windows, hangs at verifying DMI pool data. tried with several HDs (all good) without luck, next I tried disabling internal and external cpu caching and clean install of XP but it was taking so long that I stopped it. have to work on that later.

ordered a case and PSU (550w 32A on 12v rail)
old case was microATX which means limited selection of PSUs.

my wife says it's just an excuse to spend money since they don't play any graphically intensive games.

Thanks for all the responses and ideas!
May 7, 2008 6:47:04 AM

Which case/PSU combo did you buy? Sounds like your problems with your one system might be mobo related or maybe a BIOS issue, not sure there, just shooting from the hip on it, since I don't have more details :) 
May 7, 2008 7:22:25 AM

blackbox said:

just picked up an ATI X1600 PRO 512 mb AGP cheap on ebay to replace a Rosewill 9600XT 128mb AGP in an old computer but found that the 9600XT out performs the X1600 on 3DMARK03. The 9600 scores 8500 to 8800 while the X1600 scores 7700 to 7900.
FPS on the 9600 are higher in all test than the X1600 as well.


Post a benchmark of both.

As a Radeon 9600Pro owner whose pro OC'ed well above your XT's speeds I don't believe your results on an Athlon 1600.

I think you're comparing 2 completely different benchmarking tools like 3Dmk01 to 3Dmk03 it sounds like; or else your 3Dmark is busted, because there's no way you're breaking 8K on an Radeon 9600XT on that Athlon. :heink: 

Here's my last one from way back and clocked higher than yours (and that 1GB of PC2100 ain't making up 4000 Bunghliomarks espcially on the VPU-centric 3Dmk03);
http://service.futuremark.com/home.action?resultId=7659...
May 7, 2008 7:26:49 AM

im at work now, I'll post when I get home
May 8, 2008 7:03:17 AM

GrapeApe,

You're right. Those results were from th 01 version not the 03 version.
I appologize.

I downloaded the free version of 03. The X1600 benchmarked just above 2400. Have run the 9600 yet.
seems low to me
May 8, 2008 7:09:55 AM

Yeah thought so, it just didn't make sense on the surface other than that.

Well at least it's not messed up, but likely you are still a litle CPU limited even with a VPU-centric benchmark like 3Dmk03, but 3Dmk05 and 3Dmk06 should be a cakewalk for the X1600 since the R9600 doesn't support SM3.0 tests.

Overall I'd say take a look at the sibtest information most importantly, and make sure the processing results look right for fill rates and such. Final score can be missleading, but anomalies in the subtests should easily point out where there might be an issue.
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