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No need for an AT&T Mobile if the SBC purchase goes through.
In which case their wholesale purchase of SprintPCS network use falls
through.

That should hurt Sprint stock today.
 
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Jack Zwick wrote:

> That should hurt Sprint stock today.

Short seller, are we?

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Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?



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>> That should hurt Sprint stock today.
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
> wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?

SBC *owns* half of Cingular. BellSouth owns the other half.

In which case, AT&T will probably not be reselling anyone else's service
anytime soon.

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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
> wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?


SBC is part owner of Cingular.

However, I have my doubts that a Cingular purchase of AT&T, the landline
company, would pass regulatory muster.

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SBC is part owner of Cingular.


In article <5MbKd.15382$1t.5179@fed1read06>, Mij Adyaw
<mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:

> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
> wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
>
>
>
> "Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
> news:10vih43r6a1mj37@corp.supernews.com...
> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> >
> >> That should hurt Sprint stock today.
> >
> > Short seller, are we?
> >
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Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks are
CDMA and all phones would be compatible.


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> SBC is part owner of Cingular.
>
>
> In article <5MbKd.15382$1t.5179@fed1read06>, Mij Adyaw
> <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still
>> need
>> wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
>> news:10vih43r6a1mj37@corp.supernews.com...
>> > Jack Zwick wrote:
>> >
>> >> That should hurt Sprint stock today.
>> >
>> > Short seller, are we?
>> >
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks are
> CDMA and all phones would be compatible.

It would be a shame if I was forced to leave Sprint because Verizon bought
them. Verizon seems to flat-out ignore certain less populated markets where
they ostensibly do business, and that's why I fired them last year. (We're
small potatoes here compared to Los Angeles, 65 miles away as the crow files,
or a relatively short 90-minute drive.)

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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks are
> CDMA and all phones would be compatible.

Three reasons:

1. Neither company is interested in merging with each other.

2. Verizon Wireless is not 100% owned by Verizon. Vodafone owns around
half of VZW, and Vodafone is not interested in purchasing more CDMA
assets (in fact, they were interested for a bit in buying AT&T wireless
and dropping their stake in VZW because they wanted a GSM network in the
US).

3. Such a purchase might not pass FCC and Justice Department scrutiny.



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Steve,

Does SprintPCS provide better service in your area than Verizon? I am in
Laguna Niguel in Orange County and Sprint provides better service than
Verizon. Verizon tech support admits that they have coverage problems in LN
and that they need to install new cell sites.

-mij



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> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks
>> are CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
>
> It would be a shame if I was forced to leave Sprint because Verizon bought
> them. Verizon seems to flat-out ignore certain less populated markets
> where they ostensibly do business, and that's why I fired them last year.
> (We're small potatoes here compared to Los Angeles, 65 miles away as the
> crow files, or a relatively short 90-minute drive.)
>
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> "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
> Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
> amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
 
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Does SprintPCS provide better service in your area than Verizon? I am in
> Laguna Niguel in Orange County and Sprint provides better service than
> Verizon. Verizon tech support admits that they have coverage problems in LN
> and that they need to install new cell sites.

"Better" is subjective.

Sprint PCS covers Apple Valley much better.

Verizon covers National Trails Highway (Old US 66) better up to Barstow, which
is rather surprising as there is almost no one living in the area between
Victorville and Barstow (Helendale, Silver Lakes, Hodge, etc.) If I need to,
I'll set my phone to roam on Verizon. Sprint doesn't have service in the small
towns between VV and Barstow at all.

Verizon also covers part of Air Expressway (near the old George AFB) where
Sprint has their only big coverage hole in the area. (I haven't bugged Sprint
to fix that hole yet. Don't know how quickly they will add the coverage.)

I left Verizon due to network repair issues, not coverage problems.


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Steve,

Thanks for the detailed response. I am a new Sprint subscriber and am
interested in any information that I can get. I am about to dump Verizon
because it does not work well at my home and I drop many calls or do not
receive the calls. I have tried all of the other carriers and Sprint is the
only service the works reliably at my home. I get full signal strength with
Sprint at my home but do not have much experience traveling with Sprint. I
understand that the 1900 Mhz does not penetrate buildings as well as the 800
Mhz Verizon signal. Can you share any experiences while traveling? I am
still a little reluctant to dump Verizon even though I have had good
experiences so far with Sprint.

Also, I have a Sanyo phone and would like to know how to force it to roam on
Verizon if necessary.

Thanks,

-mij



"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> Does SprintPCS provide better service in your area than Verizon? I am in
>> Laguna Niguel in Orange County and Sprint provides better service than
>> Verizon. Verizon tech support admits that they have coverage problems in
>> LN and that they need to install new cell sites.
>
> "Better" is subjective.
>
> Sprint PCS covers Apple Valley much better.
>
> Verizon covers National Trails Highway (Old US 66) better up to Barstow,
> which is rather surprising as there is almost no one living in the area
> between Victorville and Barstow (Helendale, Silver Lakes, Hodge, etc.) If
> I need to, I'll set my phone to roam on Verizon. Sprint doesn't have
> service in the small towns between VV and Barstow at all.
>
> Verizon also covers part of Air Expressway (near the old George AFB) where
> Sprint has their only big coverage hole in the area. (I haven't bugged
> Sprint to fix that hole yet. Don't know how quickly they will add the
> coverage.)
>
> I left Verizon due to network repair issues, not coverage problems.
>
>
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> "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
> Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
> amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
 
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Mij Adyaw wrote:

> Also, I have a Sanyo phone and would like to know how to force it to roam on
> Verizon if necessary.

*Forcing* it generally isn't possible.

But most Sprint phones have a Roam option that allows you to set Sprint Only or
roaming. Sprint Only is sufficient for the big metropolitan areas where Sprint
generally has decent coverage. If you don't have a native signal, leave Sprint
Only selected to not have any roaming charges, but be aware that you won't be
able to make calls. :)

If roaming, be aware that it will cost you money if you are outside the US, or
inside the US and not using the $5/month "free roaming" option, and also be
aware that it's likely to be analog roaming, although Sprint has finally
started signing digital roaming agreements with compatible carriers.

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In article <5MbKd.15382$1t.5179@fed1read06>,
"Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:

> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
> wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
>

Duh. SBC owns the majority share of Cingular. No need then for an AT&T
Mobile running on the Sprint network.


> news:10vih43r6a1mj37@corp.supernews.com...
> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> >
> >> That should hurt Sprint stock today.
 
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In article <270120051416356106%reply@news.group>,
steve <reply@news.group> wrote:

> SBC is part owner of Cingular.
>
The majority part. Bell South is the minority other part owner.

>
> In article <5MbKd.15382$1t.5179@fed1read06>, Mij Adyaw
> <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:
>
> > Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
> > wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
> > news:10vih43r6a1mj37@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Jack Zwick wrote:
> > >
> > >> That should hurt Sprint stock today.
> > >
> > > Short seller, are we?
> > >
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In article <dacKd.15807$1t.849@fed1read06>,
"Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:

> Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks are
> CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
>

Could happen, or maybe the FTC wouldn't allow it.


>
> "steve" <reply@news.group> wrote in message
> news:270120051416356106%reply@news.group...
> > SBC is part owner of Cingular.
> >
> >
> > In article <5MbKd.15382$1t.5179@fed1read06>, Mij Adyaw
> > <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still
> >> need
> >> wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:10vih43r6a1mj37@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> That should hurt Sprint stock today.
> >> >
> >> > Short seller, are we?
> >> >
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"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> In article <dacKd.15807$1t.849@fed1read06>,
> "Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:
>
> > Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks
are
> > CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
> >
>
> Could happen, or maybe the FTC wouldn't allow it.
>
>

Or maybe they wouldn't want to pay Nextel the $1B required to have them walk
away from the merger.
 
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"Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
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> Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks
are
> CDMA and all phones would be compatible.

I don't believe the FTC would allow it, as it would reduce competition.

Bob
 
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Is it possible for a Sprint Phone to roam on Verizon Digital? Several years
ago Sprint did not have coverage through Camp Pendleton and when a friend of
mine would drive through that area with his Spring phone, the phone would
roam on Verizon's digital network. Sprint now has good service in this area
so that phones are on the native Sprint network. Is it still possible for
Sprint Phones to roam on Verizon's digital network?

Regards,

-mij

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> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>
>> Also, I have a Sanyo phone and would like to know how to force it to roam
>> on Verizon if necessary.
>
> *Forcing* it generally isn't possible.
>
> But most Sprint phones have a Roam option that allows you to set Sprint
> Only or roaming. Sprint Only is sufficient for the big metropolitan areas
> where Sprint generally has decent coverage. If you don't have a native
> signal, leave Sprint Only selected to not have any roaming charges, but be
> aware that you won't be able to make calls. :)
>
> If roaming, be aware that it will cost you money if you are outside the
> US, or inside the US and not using the $5/month "free roaming" option, and
> also be aware that it's likely to be analog roaming, although Sprint has
> finally started signing digital roaming agreements with compatible
> carriers.
>
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> "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
> Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
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AT&T, once thought to be an evil, powerful, monopolistic giant, was
forced to divest of it's local phone companies, one of those local
telcos being Southwestern Bell (today, known as SBC). Now, SBC may
possibly buy what's left of the impotent, evil giant.

The irony of the corporate world...

On another note, does anyone know of a study which compares phone
rates (i.e base monthly charge for local service, local and long
distance calling rates) before the AT&T breakup (adjusted for
inflation) with what we pay today? Just interested to see if breaking
up AT&T turned out to be in the best interest of the consumer...

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Joseph Huber wrote:
> AT&T, once thought to be an evil, powerful, monopolistic giant, was
> forced to divest of it's local phone companies, one of those local
> telcos being Southwestern Bell (today, known as SBC). Now, SBC may
> possibly buy what's left of the impotent, evil giant.

And SBC is every bit as evil as AT&T was in its heyday.


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Isaiah Beard <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote:

> Mij Adyaw wrote:
> > Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
> > wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
>
>
> SBC is part owner of Cingular.
>
> However, I have my doubts that a Cingular purchase of AT&T, the landline
> company, would pass regulatory muster.

You forget how much money SBC Execs gave to the Bush re-election
campaign.
 
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In article <M9dKd.647$Yd7.124@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Bob Smith" <usirsclt_No_Spam_@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> "Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
> news:dacKd.15807$1t.849@fed1read06...
> > Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks
> are
> > CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
>
> I don't believe the FTC would allow it, as it would reduce competition.
>
> Bob

Didnt stop the Cingular purchase of AT&T Wireless, we have a
laissez-faire regulatory climate under Bush.

Two issues that would lean towards the approval.

1. AT&T is no longer a big fish

2. There are no major barriers to entry for new companies.
i.e. Vonnage is growing superfast.
 
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks are
> CDMA and all phones would be compatible.

2 things to mention:

A) Even though both companies use CDMA primarily, integration would not
be easy. It is expected to take approximately 2 more years to fully
integrate the AT&T Wireless network (Cingular blue) into the current
Cingular network (Cingular orange). From what I understand, GSM has
certain standards that MUST be followed, such as certain requirements in
billing systems, blacklist information, and roaming registrations.
AFAIK there are no standards to CDMA other than the air interface. When
GTE MobileNet, PrimeCo, Bell Atlantic Nynex Mobile, and
Vodafone/Airtouch merged to create Verizon Wireless, even though all
companies were using or planning to use CDMA, integration was slow and
troublesome. Verizon Wireless is known, even today, for having
outrageous billing errors, some of which may be attributed to the
"patchwork netork" of Verizon Wireless.

B) There are numerous locations in the nation where there are currently
4 national carriers : Sprint PCS, Nextel, Verizon Wireless, and "Other
Wireless Company". Assuming that Sprint does merge with Nextel, with no
devestitures, that already eliminates one national competitor (after
AT&T Wireless has already been eliminated). Then, if Sprint-Nextel
merged with Verizon, it would again eliminate another competitor. Now,
areas with 4 or 5 competitors now have only 2 or 3 choices. This does
not spell good times for consumers. In fact, there are even areas of
the United States where only Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless service.
That would eliminate competition altogether.
 
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>> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still
>> need wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
>
>
>
> SBC is part owner of Cingular.
>
> However, I have my doubts that a Cingular purchase of AT&T, the landline
> company, would pass regulatory muster.

I will be one to admit that I have never had any experience with either
SBC or AT&T other than AT&T prepaid phone cards. It does sound like SBC
is more of a local phone [line] company while AT&T is a long distance
carrier. IF that is true, then SBC buying AT&T wouldn't necessarily
eliminate competition (especially with the multitude of other LD
carriers, including the 10-10-xxx ones), as the services would
complement each other. With the widespread use of "toll free" plans in
the United States, AT&T is not as strong as it used to be. The long
distance service would also help complement Cingular.

However, on a different note, I would have a hard time believing that
SBC would be willing to finance the purchase of AT&T after it has taken
steps to purchase AT&T Wireless, but you never know.

TH
 
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