EU Plans Intel Action (Update Anti-trust)

First Post !!!

heh heh.

Hey ... you made Intel's share price drop !!

Intel will be fined. The EU fatheads will get payed. AMD will still whine.

At this moment in time AMD has the weaker product. The rest is reputation from the golden age of Intel being stable and AMD being an overheating unstable clone.

I still have friends who avoid AMD like the plague.

In short : "Chuck Norris doesn't belive in AMD."

Intel cheats !!! Yes !! Will Joe Comsumer buy a AMD GAME! platform now ? Will they be available on retailers ?

Lets wait and see !! * drumroll *

Looks like a great way to enforce fair trade policies in Europe.

LOL I generally ignore his posts, thats why I posted it elsewhere

...except AMD, ...or any other company who isn't either Mcrosoft or Intel.

Microsoft & Intel = floughting laws. Probably American law too but they have enough lobbyists & lawyers to scupper most cases against them.

Isn't that the American way of doing business? Buy some members of Congress and avoid mention of shady business practices. And if something does turn public, buy some of the media (Microsoft/NBC). If all else fails, put some money into a President's pocket, or someone running for President, as the case may be.

If it's mutual and signed in agreement it's not illegal. If however someone proves that there were shady tactics involved (like "go exclusive or you don't get low prices" or "we might not even sell to you if you don't go exclusive" ) it becomes a problem.

A computer shop/retailer/etailer can always decide not to sell a certain brand of products. It's almost impossible for me to buy a DFI motherboard here.
Funny how you don't see DFI whining about other brands having a larger market share.

INTEL ARE TEH EVIL!

AMD innovates! AMD will soon release something they call FSB, it is far superior to teh current hypertransport links.

AMD is so innovative they knew that desktop consumers wanted a slower chip than what intel is making.

Investors are impressed with K10 innovation and AMD stock is taking off like a Google IPO.



I love you Thunderman!

ROFL.

That's funny. My wife has a Dell computer, it's a total piece. I have a custom built machine with three gigs of RAM. If my wife needed her computer replaced, she'd probably end up getting a dell with an AMD proc.

^[sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags not included.

AMD Innovate! - that's why Phenom has a lower IPC than Athlon 64 (repeating Intel's Netburst mistake for "innovation", eh)?
AMD care! - that's why they released a Phenom B3 stepping with a VITAL error (early customers probably weren't happy about that, did they get a refund, not much care here)?
AMD4Life! - Not if you want best for money performance in ~$200+ (sweetspot) CPU.

AMD 386SX 25MHz AT
AMD 100MHz 486DX4
Intel Pentium 200MHz MMX
AMD K7 (Thunderbird) 750MHz
AMD Athlon 64 s939 3200+
Intel C2Q Q6600 2.4GHz

There is an interesting quote by someone on this forum that goes something like this : "I'm a FACTBOY, not a fanboi!"

Why, because a 3.2ghz x2 A64 outperforms a 2.4ghz phenom?
News for you, not by anything near the diference in clockcycles.
Truth is, a barcelona will easily outdo an older opteron, in any program that uses pure IPC.
Most desktop software just doesn't give a rat's rectum about IPC, because it loves SIMD. You aint getting nowhere with Instructions retired Per Clockcycle, unless those Single Instructions retire Multiple Data.
So, here's the thing. Phenom can retire more Instructions Per Clockcycle, and has better SSE by about 50%, so it does SIMD much better as well.
Phenom's big problem is lack of software support. If it were properly supported, that 2.4ghz phenom would eat that 3.2ghz X2, at every turn.

Hehe... I like that quote. I still remember the days of the Athlon XPs and prior that ran hot. But AMDs chips improved vastly in that area.

reynod, You do know that thats what happens right? Most every restauraunt/fast food joint has a contract with Pepsi/Coke (or are owned by them like Taco Bell, KFC and Pizz Hut is owned by Pepsi CO) so they can only sell that product. Thats why you only see Coke products in a McDonalds.

The only ones that do not have the agreement/contract is grocery and gas stores. But they still get discounts/specials hence why you will se a buy 3 get 2 free of Coke or Pepsi. This is the company saying "Hey buy more and put it on sale blah blah blah".

Personally I don't think its wrong to give a discount to a company that buys a lot of your product. If AMD did it too I wouldn't care less. Its all about which one performs the best when I am ready to buy a new CPU and which one will cost me less.

Ca_lawman nice article. You pretty much took thunderdweeb and threw him out of the bar hehe.

civil ... paah ...

jimmysmitty I have coke marketing people in my family ... er football players to be precise.

Strange they all drive work 4WD's too ...

I think they are encouraged to ram Pepsi reps off the road.

Some kind of points system involved ....

Wonder how a footy match between AMD and Intel would go??

We would have to make sure the scoring machine had a 6809 in it to ensure fair play ...

Rollerball might be better ... good way to get rid of the excess engineers who are over 40 ... LOL.

Do these "widgets" overclock well should be the first question?

n00b ... 80 posts too many.

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EDIT: Joke aside, the processor is named after the Nehalem Native American tribe in Oregon.
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Buzz. Try again.

Everything I've found on the interwebs suggests that Andrius is correct.

Tribe, town, river (both named after the tribe so I know I was right the first time (that's why it's an edit) but I should have posted my source to avoid doubt). Who cares?

With the codenames people come up with for future tech stuff it might as well be the "sound of a bear farting in the forest" architecture next time around.

Hey come on wouldnt we all like a beaver in our computer...

I mean who would get any work done

Be glad this is not like Windows. With Windows if you want to use a lot of popular software then you can buy your operating system from any company you want... as long as it has "Microsoft" in the name.

They also got in trouble for being a monopoly and got slapped on the wrist. I think their "fine" was less than Bill Gates gives away to charity each month.


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So what will happen to Intel?

Oh... they'll get raked over the coals... the truth will come out... people will learn the sorry and sad truth that they illegally kept AMD from getting any bigger. There won't be any question. GUILTY on all counts.

Then they'll get fined a token amount of money... and nobody will care. Except AMD will still have less market share than they should have. (And all that entails.)

Oh... and Intel will continue doing what they get fined for.

AMD did it to themselves with poor marketing and growth projections, Intel’s ability to deliver processors (crap as they may have been) is the main contributing factor to good operating income. AMD's yields and lack of fabs was hurting them then and hurting them now. The court would be stupid if they don’t see the correlation. The fact companies were offered special deals on bulk purchases makes it apparent that they knew the processors of that period were garbage. Excess production allowed for that, it's tough to prove that Intel went 110% output as a market strategy to drown out AMD's superior products at the time.

If per say they were fined, not a penny of that fine would reach AMD's coffers, the subsequent law suit following would allow assets to be exchanged. Essentially AMD is sicking the EU on Intel, to get a base for a follow up law suit. Looks more like desperation than a sound legal solution, more like a "aw our ass clown management derailed us, lets get big brother to come down on Intel that will make everything better."

The fact of the matter is it changes nothing no amount of asset acquisition will stem AMD's own inability to operate profitable, additional production, new uArch, research will take years to materialize. Sadly AMD's creditors will more than likely not be interested in waiting much longer.

1. AMD had and still has very little production capacity
2. Intel had a garbage product and was committed to selling it, no losses on record. Unless you are insinuating Intel had a second set of books.
3. AMD’s superior product sold and sold well regardless of Intel’s presence on the market.
4. AMD could not meet demand thus was limited on growth potential.