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January 19, 2009 5:57:17 AM

About overclocking the phenom II 940, how far can i push it from just using a stock fan and heatsink without it overheating?
Also if i were to get a really good fan and heatsink, how far could i push it before it overheats. Its 3.0ghz stock btw.
Also whats the highest voltage i can put it upto without it overheating?


If anyone has any answers im all eyes thanks...

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January 19, 2009 9:46:46 PM

what are your temps looking like atm? i would advise taking the multiplier up to 16-17 to start out(you might be able to get up to 18)which comes to 3.2-3.6ghz(im also going off of what my kuma core lets me do,and what ive seen., with the stock cooler you will overheat before you can change the power i think, i personally wouldnt go over 60C

if it doesnt boot you can just reset the cmos.
a b K Overclocking
January 20, 2009 7:21:41 AM

^ yet your AMD section

And yes you can polish a turd, in the late 70's they polished petrified moose poop and sold it as necklaces.
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January 20, 2009 12:12:17 PM

Just start creeping the multiplier and voltage up.
My chip got 3.4 at stock voltage, 3.6 at 1.4 volts, stopped their till I get water cooling, even though temps are fine (30's and 40's).
Supposesdly 3.8/4.0ghz takes 1.55 or so volts but that is going to vary.

btw AMD recomends not breaking that 1.55 with stock cooler.
January 20, 2009 12:16:30 PM

Just got mine last week runs great. Like most people I have had a budget, I wish I had 2 grand to spend on a computer but for 1 grand I got a darn nice system. Now I can play Supreme Comander with no glitches... I have not tryed to oc yet but I am sure when I get some of the more demanding apps installed a small oc would be great good advice! keep it up!

Conflict5
January 20, 2009 12:37:14 PM

LOL cant polish a turd...

If thats all you got take your ass to an Intel thread

Soiled
January 20, 2009 4:15:57 PM

Usually the stock heatsinks are designed to work at the chips stock settings, so they will work ok up until a point then just really not work at all cooling wise. I dont have any first hand expirience with the Phenom IIs, but i would imagine you could eek out around 200 - 300 Mhz before the heatsink really was in trouble.

Honestly though, if you are going to dabble in overclocking, spend 30 bucks on an aftermarket heatsink, you dont have to get something super high end and fancy to beat the cooling performance of the stock heatsink.

Good luck to ya.
January 20, 2009 5:21:12 PM

Thnx everyone for your answers, this has helped me =) ...Im pretty new to OC'ing as anyone can tell, and to the word turd iunoe what that means, but its prolly somethin bad huh? and yea why do you hate amd so much? jealous...
January 20, 2009 6:15:45 PM

mythbusters polished turds.

and they were really shiny too. GREAT EPISODE.
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 21, 2009 1:08:06 AM

unclefester said:
^ yet your AMD section

And yes you can polish a turd, in the late 70's they polished petrified moose poop and sold it as necklaces.



????? UF Whats this all about???
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 21, 2009 1:23:20 AM

@ luvkush

Don't have one yet but seriously considering it, but very interested in the responses you'll be getting.

As with all AMD Black Edition CPUs the multiplier is unlocked meaning you can increase the multiplier while leaving all the other setting stock except for the Vcore CPU voltage.

You may be able to raise the multi from 15 to 16 or 17 without even increasing the Vcore Voltage at all, but at some point in raising the multiplier you'll have to increase the Vcore voltage to get the CPU to stabilize.


Mem Clk x Multi = Speed
200mhz x 15X = 3,000mhz or 3Ghz Stock or default setting
200mhz x 16x = 3,200mhz or 3.2Ghz
200mhz x 17x = 3,400mhz or 3.4Ghz
200mhz x 18x = 3,600mhz or 3.6Ghz
200mhz x 19x = 3,800mhz or 3.8Ghz Etc.

Testing and creeping up to where your goal is is the way to go about it, the highest 940 vcore I've seen listed is 1.5v but as for me I'd keep it under that, my present 9950 Phenom is a 125W cpu and its vcore is presently set to 1.4250v to run a 16x multiplier.

According to reviews I've read so far the 940 is one of the best overclockers AMD has released in a long time.


Even though I do not as yet have a 940BE in my hands, I do have extensive experience overclocking AMD CPUs with unlocked multipliers and presently do have a 9950 BE overclocked to 3.2Ghz.

Keeping it cool is the key to being able to get the overclock you may be after, investing in a really good aftermarket air cooler will probably give you a whole multiplier increase over a stock AMD heatpipe cooler.

And even better with Water Cooling but I personally had a bad Water Cooling experience and do not reccommend it, but thats your choice completely.

Anyhow I hope this thread yields some interesting responses as more get their hands on the 940BE !
January 21, 2009 2:41:23 AM

4ryan6 Bro ... Thanks alot for this, gave me more knowledge about BE's and OC'ing... apreciate it =)
a b K Overclocking
January 21, 2009 6:21:45 AM

4ryan6, hey
You must of came to this thread after they pulled Sharken's post (I think that was his sig) fanbio posted quote "you can't polish a turd" unquote. When I thought about people buying petrafied moose poop back in the seventies (can't believe they were so gulluble, but i guess they bought pet rocks too) I was laughing so hard when I started typing I couldn't even get "yet your in the AMD section" right.
I don't think he came back in to this thread after that.

But unforchunatly you can polish a turd and make money on it to.LOL

I know I shouldn't have even lowered myself to fantard level, but when I thought about it I couldn't help myself (sick sense of humor)

So saying that ; Sorry! Luvkush

Order the PII 940 today and will post back if I get Time and we can compare notes.
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 21, 2009 10:29:13 AM

luvkush said:
4ryan6 Bro ... Thanks alot for this, gave me more knowledge about BE's and OC'ing... apreciate it =)


U R Welcome !


a c 225 K Overclocking
January 21, 2009 10:32:31 AM

unclefester said:
4ryan6, hey
You must of came to this thread after they pulled Sharken's post (I think that was his sig) fanbio posted quote "you can't polish a turd" unquote. When I thought about people buying petrafied moose poop back in the seventies (can't believe they were so gulluble, but i guess they bought pet rocks too) I was laughing so hard when I started typing I couldn't even get "yet your in the AMD section" right.
I don't think he came back in to this thread after that.

But unforchunatly you can polish a turd and make money on it to.LOL

I know I shouldn't have even lowered myself to fantard level, but when I thought about it I couldn't help myself (sick sense of humor)

So saying that ; Sorry! Luvkush

Order the PII 940 today and will post back if I get Time and we can compare notes.



I figured either something was missing or you had brain lock and was posting in the wrong thread. ROFL

Getting yourself a 940 ! Alright UF post your results here man, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.
a b K Overclocking
January 21, 2009 5:34:16 PM

@Luvkush, what platform are you using (ie... mobo,memory,video card).Just curious?

@Ryan, it should be here on Friday. I'll give it few days to break-in before I start pushing er, to see what she's made of.

@Conflick5, welcome to THG.
What do your system specs look like? Are going to do any clocking on that baby?

@PrangeWay , and welcome to you as well.
What does your machine consist of?
January 22, 2009 1:54:00 AM

@unclefester

-Dragon platform
-MSI DKA790GX Platinum AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX
-CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 1066 (pc2) 8500
-MSI R4850-T2D512 Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit

No idea if Phenom II chips works with these lol hopefully it does...
a b K Overclocking
January 22, 2009 3:28:21 AM

@Luvkush

I don't know much about MSI boards but went to the site and found that it does support the 920 & 940 with BIOS version 7550v15. Not sure if thats the BIOS that is shipped with that board, but it looks like it. If not here's a link to download it if you need it.

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&...
a b K Overclocking
January 22, 2009 3:53:08 AM

My system looks like this:

-ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe 790FX/750SB
-OCZ Reaper 4GB (4x1) 8500@1066
-EVGA 260core 216 896MB 448-bit

And don't laugh at me Ryan, for running an Nvidia video card on a ATI CrossFire Board.
January 22, 2009 4:02:20 AM

@ unclefester nice thnx =) nice system
a b K Overclocking
January 22, 2009 4:12:42 AM

@ Luvkush our systems should be really close in performance.
I'll be interested to see how your MSI board does with a PII in it. Most of the reviews I've seen have all been done on ASUS, Foxxconn, or Gigabyte boards.
January 22, 2009 4:27:29 AM

@unclefester np il let you know how it runs =)
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 22, 2009 12:08:45 PM

unclefester said:
My system looks like this:


-OCZ Reaper 4GB (4x1) 8500@1066


And don't laugh at me Ryan, for running an Nvidia video card on a ATI CrossFire Board.



Wheres that coming from UF ?

I've never laughed at you about anything.

Well except for the Turd Polishing. :lol: 

I do have a curiosity only for your setup and it doesn't have a thing to do with your choice of graphics card, its going to a quad core with a 4 x 1 = 4G memory setup.

However I believe you said you're running WinXP Pro 32bit and in that case you can always drop to 2G of your present memory, but if you go to a 64bit OP/SYS the 4 modules will cut your overall performance.

I'm presently running a AMD quad with 4G 2 x 2 of 1066 system memory with WinXP Pro 32 with no problems what so ever, WinXP is only directly using 2.6G of the available memory though.

It would be an excellent learning experience if when you get your quad, you'd take the time to test a 2 x 1 vs 4 x 1 performance setup with the WinXP OP/SYS, to see if theres a difference between the 2, since actually 2G of system memory has always been the sweet spot for WinXP32, but does that hold true with a quad core CPU?

If you would consider testing that out, since you have the modules to test with, I would be very interested in the results say in 3DMark06, if not thats no problem, I'm just curious is all. Ry

FYI I have full intentions of getting a Phenom II, thats why I bought my present setup, however my 9950 is OCd to 3.2G thats a 600mhz OC from stock, I've had it running at 3.4G rock solid but my Vcore was higher than I wanted to run it continuously on air cooling, so my curiosity is? where can these PH IIs actually be OCd on air?

Its got to be enough of an increase for me to jump in the pool, if you know what I mean?

@Luvkush

Sorry I'm not trying to hijack your thread, I just have concerns and curiosities about this new AMD offering and I appreciate the opportunity to learn from you guys experiences before I spend the money for one.

My Setup is;
ASUS Crosshair II Formula M/B
4G 2 x 2 Corsair Dominator
BFG 8800GT BIOS Flashed to 700/1753/1000
I have 2 of the BFGs and can run SLI but presently just running a single card setup
a b K Overclocking
January 23, 2009 4:57:39 AM

Ryan, I couldn't pass up 2 more matching sticks for $26 bucks after rebate. Heard OCZ was going to quit making the D9 version, thought I may need um down the road.
I'm using XP-Pro also, it recognizes 3.25 even with 896 0n the video card. Though when I added the 2nd pair I had to drop back to T2 command rate. When I put the PII in I''ll start with 2, add the second 2 and performance drops then it's back to 2.


Checked at UPS and I'll have to wait till Monday for my new 940. Was looking forward to playing with my new toy this weekend. Man I'm getting anxious. It's gonna be just like Christmas all over again. LOL
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 23, 2009 12:29:03 PM

unclefester said:
Ryan, I couldn't pass up 2 more matching sticks for $26 bucks after rebate. Heard OCZ was going to quit making the D9 version, thought I may need um down the road.
I'm using XP-Pro also, it recognizes 3.25 even with 896 0n the video card. Though when I added the 2nd pair I had to drop back to T2 command rate. When I put the PII in I''ll start with 2, add the second 2 and performance drops then it's back to 2.


Checked at UPS and I'll have to wait till Monday for my new 940. Was looking forward to playing with my new toy this weekend. Man I'm getting anxious. It's gonna be just like Christmas all over again. LOL


I've reinstalled WinXP Pro to run my main gaming machine, I was running Vista64 HP Edition a lot of people say they have no problems with Vista64 but I did from the beginning and after about 6mths of tolerating its weirdness I finally had enough!

Since I paid for the OP/SYS I'll reinstall it on an independent machine after SP2 is released for it, anyway not going to bore you with the long story, if you want to know more you can PM me for all the details of my Vista64 discoveries.

I know what you mean about feeling like Christmas, We're computer addicts UF! :lol: 
January 24, 2009 3:41:32 AM

Hey fellas. I just got me a Phenom II this week and was looking to see how much I could get out of it as well. Not much background in overclocking at all, so I've been doing some research, interested to see what kinds of results people are getting.

My Setup is;
Foxconn A7GM-S AM2+ 780G
2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1066
BFG GTX260 c.216 896MB oc'd to 630/1380/1100 <--- (probly could go higher)
WinXP Pro 32bit (uses 3.25GB of the 4GB)

I also bought this Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer for the PhenomII and currently I am idling at ~26 C. Not bad I think.

Strictly a gaming rig, though I don't intend on going overboard. Don't need to get to 4.0GHz or anything. This system has been relatively cheap thus far. Already had a WD Velociraptor 150GB, Coolermaster Cosmos full tower, X-Fi Xtremegamer, Raidmax 730W PSU, and a beautiful new LG L227 22" 2ms LCD Monitor for XMas (games look amazing on it).

Thus far, my biggest questions are how to go about the actual testing - do I use the basic multiplier or the NB link? When do I know to up the voltage? How should I go about getting the RAM up to max performance @ 1066MHz? And finally, what's the best way to quickly stress-test a new o'clock once I get into windows?

Yes, I am a quasi-newb to this. :) 

Looking fwd to everyone's results.
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 24, 2009 5:17:57 AM

@ Brogan

Heres my usual approach of OCing an AMD CPU with an unlocked multiplier so far this approach has worked with an AMD FX57, AMD FX60, AMD 5400+ BE, and my present AMD 9950 BE.

First thing you need to do is research your memory at the Kingston website for its rated timings and its required slot DDR2 voltage and manually set those timings in the CMOS or BIOS setup.

Manually set those timings so theres no automatic motherboard changing of those timings or voltage going on while you're trying to attain a solid overclock.

Start out by leaving the Vcore [CPU Voltage] stock and increase the multiplier from 15X to 16X, the multiplier is multiplying your 200mhz Memory clock, 15X x 200mhz = 3,000mhz or 3G, 16X X 200mhz = 3,200mhz or 3.2G and so on.

A good test for stability is to run the 3Dmarks IE; 03,05,and 06, if you can run all 3 of those benches and get a final score without a crash, you can pretty much say that level of OC is OK.

Record your settings before you proceed so if you have to drop back to a lower setting you'll have the exact setting to fall back to, record what your multiplier is and what your vcore is, the vcore your system is using is reported in your CMOS settings probably under system health.

Its important you know what your Vcore settings are at their default settings so you'll know where to start when its time to raise it.

Then just continue by increasing to the next multiplier 17X, boot into Windows and run the 3Dmarks again, if they complete stably, continue, if not you'll need to start to increase the Vcore.

Before you increase the Vcore find how far you can increase the multiplier on stock Vcore voltage and have a stable machine, only when you reach a multiplier that the benches crash, is it time to increase the Vcore voltage.

Normally [ This is an example] if your default Vcore is 1.25v and its crashing in the 3D marks, increase the Vcore to 1.30v, boot into Windows and run the benches again, you'll be creeping up the Vcore so if theres a setting lower than 1.30v on your motherboard use that setting first and to be on the safe side with air cooling do not exceed 1.500v.

This is just to give you an idea on how to approach overclocking your CPU, you need to be patient, record your settings at each multiplier level, and leave everything at stock settings like your memory clock at 200mhz, HT default, PCI-E 100mhz, as long as you keep your memory clock at 200 you will not breech the HT window no matter how high the multiplier, thats very important when raising a multiplier past its default run settings with an AMD CPU.

When you get to higher multipliers and the machine crashes and you cannot boot, most new motherboards will allow you back in to reset your setting by killing the power to the power supply until you see the activity lights go out, the repower, reboot, press Delete or F1 or whatever gets you back in the CMOS setup screen, the make your changes save and exit CMOS settings reboot and see if Windows will boot and continue testing.

If the Power supply trick doesn't work with your motherboard, you'll need to clear the CMOS and reset it, your Motherboard manual has the instructions to clear the CMOS.

Good Luck, and have fun! If you have any problems or questions, feel free to PM me if you want. Ryan

January 24, 2009 8:33:08 PM

Very cool breakdown. I appreciate it because there's so much out there and this is simple enough so I can focus on how to start and what to look for.

I will post up my results when I start. I think I may take a day or 2 though, to let the new proc settle in at default.

Thanks again.
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 24, 2009 9:15:49 PM

Brogan said:
Very cool breakdown. I appreciate it because there's so much out there and this is simple enough so I can focus on how to start and what to look for.

I will post up my results when I start. I think I may take a day or 2 though, to let the new proc settle in at default.

Thanks again.


Thats an excellent idea! And you're welcome!



January 25, 2009 7:25:46 AM

I thought this was a great thread here is what ive got so far..

Phenom x4 940
GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-DS4H
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
Vista 64bit
Antec 300
Vision-Tec HD4870 512mb

When i first got the cpu the farthest i took it was 3.7ghz @1.4625 with an idle of 28c and load with 40c using an Arctic Freezer pro 64.

I ran 3dmark a couple of times and realized that my HD4870 was bottlenecking my system. So i decreased my CPU clock until the bottleneck dissapeared and then increased it 100mhz.

So as of right now im sitting at 3.5ghz at 1.375 with an idle temp of 24c and a load of 36c im pretty positive i could hit 4+ghz with the right voltage but it wouldnt make much difference anyway. I play alot of games i do encode vid's but 3.5 is pretty damn fast for me!

Just for comparison my old athlon 64 x2 @3.3gzh with the same rig as above scored a 12,445 on 3dmark 06 default settings with my HD 4870 core at 790 and memory at 1100mhz.

With the only difference being ddr2-1066 ram and the Phenom x4 940 my score jumped to a whopping 16,300 with the cpu at 3.7ghz and the HD4870 the same as above.

Now with the 940 at 3.3 my score was still 15,330,much higher than the ole athlon.

I might get a stray hair and go for 4ghz but for right now my rig flies!
January 25, 2009 7:38:38 AM

@ xx12amanxx thnx for your reply, it helps me a bit more...

Good luck on the 4ghz =)
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 25, 2009 11:46:33 AM

@ xx12amanxx

Good input man, loved the direct 3DMark06 comparison between the two systems, this is helping me decide if going from the 9950BE to the 940BE is worth it for me. Thanks
January 25, 2009 4:16:52 PM

Yea, I did some testing on 3D Mark 06 as well before and after I upgraded. Here were my scores over the last 2 upgrades (VC and CPU):

10/12/08 8800 GTS, Athlon64 x2 6000+ (no oc):

9300 3DMarks



10/14/08 GTX 260, Athlon64 x2 6000+ (no oc):

11199 3DMarks (2290 cpu)



1/15/09 GTX 260, Phenom II x4 940 (no oc):

15322 3DMarks (4573 cpu)

I expect another significant boost after upping the 940BE to around 3.4-3.6GHz. Hopefully.

Another question about the OC'ing process itself. I realize just upping the multiplier is the simplest approach. But in doing some research, there are a bunch of Phenom X4 overclocking guides out there (like this one over at Guru3D) that detail the steps to oc each part of your system, NB, HT, FSB, etc in part before deciding on the whole. How similar is that process with this new Phenom II? With the new architecture, I'm wondering if things don't work the same way anymore.

January 25, 2009 5:21:04 PM

4Ryan6 said:
@ xx12amanxx

Good input man, loved the direct 3DMark06 comparison between the two systems, this is helping me decide if going from the 9950BE to the 940BE is worth it for me. Thanks


Glad i could help!

Brogan said:
Yea, I did some testing on 3D Mark 06 as well before and after I upgraded. Here were my scores over the last 2 upgrades (VC and CPU):

10/12/08 8800 GTS, Athlon64 x2 6000+ (no oc):

9300 3DMarks



10/14/08 GTX 260, Athlon64 x2 6000+ (no oc):

11199 3DMarks (2290 cpu)



1/15/09 GTX 260, Phenom II x4 940 (no oc):

15322 3DMarks (4573 cpu)

I expect another significant boost after upping the 940BE to around 3.4-3.6GHz. Hopefully.

Another question about the OC'ing process itself. I realize just upping the multiplier is the simplest approach. But in doing some research, there are a bunch of Phenom X4 overclocking guides out there (like this one over at Guru3D) that detail the steps to oc each part of your system, NB, HT, FSB, etc in part before deciding on the whole. How similar is that process with this new Phenom II? With the new architecture, I'm wondering if things don't work the same way anymore.



Depend's on Mobo just for fun i tried to see how high i could get mine without increasing vcore and the highest was 3.4ghz. 3.5 was stable with just a +.25 increase maybe i will see what is needed to get to 4ghz.
a c 225 K Overclocking
January 25, 2009 10:12:55 PM

Brogan said:
Another question about the OC'ing process itself. I realize just upping the multiplier is the simplest approach. But in doing some research, there are a bunch of Phenom X4 overclocking guides out there (like this one over at Guru3D) that detail the steps to oc each part of your system, NB, HT, FSB, etc in part before deciding on the whole. How similar is that process with this new Phenom II? With the new architecture, I'm wondering if things don't work the same way anymore.



Upping the multiplier is not always the simplest approach theres a fine line the Vcore has to be set to, or your OC won't be stable at all, just because you can boot into Windows doesn't mean you can do anything else, theres a lot of testing involved with any OCing approach or method you take, theres no set in stone way to do it, take whatever approach you want.
January 25, 2009 10:51:50 PM

Damn ok ive tried all morning and the highest i could get it to go was 3.990 and even then it was unstable! Im not sure whats wrong but my idle temp was 32c at that high of an overclock. I can run 3.8 just fine i even stress tested it for an hour all four cores at 100% and it never got above 38c! So im sure there is a way to hit 4ghz but im not going to get into my RAM settings and such so good luck guy's!
January 25, 2009 11:00:26 PM

@xx12aman .. whats ur power supply watt?
January 25, 2009 11:07:25 PM

luvkush said:
@xx12aman .. whats ur power supply watt?



hec Orion XPOWER585 585W ATX12V 2.01 Power Supply man thanks for bringing that up it's the thing i have in my rig that way be the culprit what do you think?
January 26, 2009 2:34:45 AM

@xx12aman i was wondering ur power supply because, i was thinking my 600w wasnt enough for my rig and my hd4850, but if ur 585w works with ur rig and hd4870 then il be fine =)... how many 12v rails is ur power supply?
i heard soemhtin about, some power supply's arent actually 600w if they say they are.. is that true? ppl say if u got less 12v rails on ur power supply then it isnt really the amount of watts it says it is...im confused on this ubject if you or ayone knows please leme know =) and i have no idea how many 12v rails i ahve on my rosewill 600w because all it says is
(12v rails - yes) but some other ones say (12v rails - 2) or 3 etc
January 26, 2009 2:43:58 AM

having 1 rail is better than 2-3 because all the amps are on that rail and you cant overload a rail.
its a math equation, 12v x(times) amps= watts

so you have 1 12v raid at 50 amps. or another 600w would be 2 12v rails at 25amps each
January 26, 2009 2:46:14 AM

Oooooo ok thanks. What about the thing about a 600w not really being a 600w ppl say its less if it isnt a high brand power supply..
January 26, 2009 2:47:21 AM

Ok now im confused. u can have 2 power supply?
January 26, 2009 2:47:58 AM

well, it is 600W thats for sure, but you dont wanna use the full load of 600W. they die 10x faster than name brands if you draw the full load.

you can draw 600W but it might only last at 600W for 6 months opposed to a name brand for 3 years.
January 26, 2009 2:49:30 AM

its 1 power supply, but 2 rails coming out of it.

this is why 1 rail is simplier.
January 26, 2009 2:51:42 AM

hmm nice now thats somethin i gotta think about, i migth ahve to change my power supply.. to corsair or ocz or somehtin... thnx shift!
January 26, 2009 2:52:14 AM

i got a corsair 650W for 70 dollars after a rebate from newegg.

its touching my steel case and i shocked the case (static electricity :(  ), it has power protection or whatever on it too and shut off the power before it got to my mobo. something else to think about.
January 26, 2009 2:53:03 AM

Il prolly get the same one =0 thnx again
January 26, 2009 2:58:42 AM

Need help with any other parts?
January 26, 2009 2:59:43 AM

actually yes
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