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May 10, 2008 5:37:12 AM

Hi, I am going to upgrade by old Nvidia 6800GT

I have a crossfire compatible motherboard, and have been told that the 9600GT will beat 2 HD 2600XTs in crossfire (i can get either of these for the same price)

which of these should i get?
or is there an entirely different card i should be looking at (my price range is 120-150$)

(if this is helpful)I want to play Bioshock, Age of Empires III and a little bit of COD4

Thanks

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May 10, 2008 5:40:07 AM

Oh yea, that 9600GT will definately beat those two paththic cards. It is a very good buy, and when overclocked, arguably is the proce/performance champion. It will perform more than adequately in those games listed.
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May 10, 2008 6:31:13 AM

hopeitsart said:
Hi, I am going to upgrade by old Nvidia 6800GT

I have a crossfire compatible motherboard, and have been told that the 9600GT will beat 2 HD 2600XTs in crossfire (i can get either of these for the same price)

which of these should i get?
or is there an entirely different card i should be looking at (my price range is 120-150$)

(if this is helpful)I want to play Bioshock, Age of Empires III and a little bit of COD4

Thanks

Get the 9600GT or an 8800GT if you find a good deal. I don't play the first two games, but COD4 runs fine on my 9600GT on max at 1680x1050 without Vsync or AA. It should be able to run AA as well, but not Vsync, as that causes slowdowns at random times, although triple buffering might stop that, I haven't tried. All I know is COD4 in multiplayer and vsync (without triple buffering) = 1:4 for your kill : death ratio.
May 10, 2008 3:34:44 PM

Between the 9600GT and the 8800GT it's a toss-up - they are very similar price/performance.

I recommend getting a dual slot 9600GT (like almost any of the overclocked models) and overclocking it even more. It will perform almost as well as an 8800 and be MUCH quieter
May 10, 2008 5:24:43 PM

indeed, whats the secret. I heard it has a new ROP design which allows it to do AA with better performance.
May 10, 2008 5:38:51 PM

DarthPiggie said:
indeed, whats the secret. I heard it has a new ROP design which allows it to do AA with better performance.

Driver optimization, especially in sli, which almost match 8800gt in sli.
May 10, 2008 6:03:15 PM

very interesting, so Nvidia purposefully withheld drivers for the GeF 8s to make the 9s look better, not surprised.
a b U Graphics card
May 10, 2008 6:07:34 PM

You really don't want to mess with Crossfire until you reach the HD3850. Same with SLI, 9600GT or above.
a b U Graphics card
May 10, 2008 6:09:14 PM

the 9600GT is only a fair price at ~$130 ~$140 ~$150. at 160 or so the 8800GT is way better.
May 10, 2008 8:37:39 PM

Thanks for your replies
so if nvidia is releases new the new driver optimizations the 8800gt will only get better from a price/performance stand point

will a 9600gt w/ a passive cooler over clock as well as a dual slot one?

will 2 HD 3850s beat a single 8800GT or a single HD3870?
May 10, 2008 11:12:27 PM

512MB 3850s in CF will definately beat those single cards. In fact, AMD is soon to release the 3850X2 soon.
May 10, 2008 11:51:48 PM

DarthPiggie said:
512MB 3850s in CF will definately beat those single cards. In fact, AMD is soon to release the 3850X2 soon.

*Sign* It's AMD now... Remember ATI?
May 10, 2008 11:56:38 PM

indeed, AMD is such a wack acronym, i know, i cant believe I actually didnt say ATI, weird, its not like we were married to it anyway.
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 12:41:39 AM

dagger said:
*Sign* It's AMD now... Remember ATI?

Ahhh, it will always be ATI to me. As long as they keep it on their boxes and/or use the Radeon name. :) 
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 12:44:33 AM

hopeitsart said:
will 2 HD 3850s beat a single 8800GT or a single HD3870?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There are games where two HD3850 256MB can match an 8800GTX even. 512MB's would be even better.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=10

a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 5:19:14 AM

But games which scale poorly (*cough* crysis) will show much better performance with a single higher end card.
May 11, 2008 3:26:46 PM

I'm looking to upgrade from a 6800 gs. Will the 9600 gt be able to run with the 350 watt psu that Dell provides for a Pentium 4 based system.
May 11, 2008 3:29:04 PM

amiacalva said:
I'm looking to upgrade from a 6800 gs. Will the 9600 gt be able to run with the 350 watt psu that Dell provides for a Pentium 4 based system.

9600gt will be severely bottlenecked by the p4 cpu. Don't be surprised if you don't get much of an improvement. 350 watts should do, barely, if it has high 12v rail ratings.
May 11, 2008 3:39:28 PM

The 6800 gs just stopped working. Any other suggestions for a good replacement that the cpu can keep up with.
May 11, 2008 3:46:51 PM

amiacalva said:
The 6800 gs just stopped working. Any other suggestions for a good replacement that the cpu can keep up with.

Consider something like this. It's pretty bad for serious gaming, but price is good ($39.99 after MIR), and anything higher would be bottlenecked.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 6:26:26 PM

randomizer said:
But games which scale poorly (*cough* crysis) will show much better performance with a single higher end card.

crysis scales awesome.
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May 11, 2008 8:42:41 PM

no crysis doesn't scale awsome... if you have a single card outputtiing say 30 frames... then you add a second... and it says 50 frames... its wrong... its been proven that crysis only looks like its scaling well when in fact its scaling horribly , say 20 - 30 %... sometimes negative 20 - 30 %
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 10:50:10 PM

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no crysis doesn't scale awsome... if you have a single card outputtiing say 30 frames... then you add a second... and it says 50 frames... its wrong... its been proven that crysis only looks like its scaling well when in fact its scaling horribly , say 20 - 30 %... sometimes negative 20 - 30 %

I totally disagree with you. SLI (not sure on Crossfire) scales awesome in the GPU demanding parts of Crysis. My 50+ hours benching Crysis beg to differ with your proven claims. I can show you real world Crysis gaming of over 50% scaling, more importantly at settings one GPU can not handle on it's own.

I'll go fire up my gaming rig and copy over some fraps framerate results to show you a histogram of actual gameplay on one 8800GT vs SLI 8800GT.



a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 10:56:31 PM

For starters, check out this merged screenie jpegs from Paradise Lost. is 16 fps vs 29 fps horrible? Now wait till you see it actually retains this kind of scaling during play, not just in a screenie.

1680x1024 2xaa/16xaf all high Win XP. Q6600 @ 3.0GHz, 2GB PC8000, BFG 8800GT OC 512MB cards.


a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 11:33:54 PM

The screenie is from the same save point I benched, but it is an old screenie with 2xaa and nothing to do with the no fsaa results below.

Here is a recent Fraps benchmark of Paradise Lost at 16x12 High 0x/16x. Basically it entails escorting Prophet while his suite is freezing up. Very repeatable results in this 45 second Paradise Lost manual run through. I posted the fraps log of 4 runs in another thread showing that.

I tell ya, without question I'll take SLI for Crysis. I've played it all the way through with SLI 8800GT and most of the way through with a single 8800GT. Not sure where you got your info from, but Actual gameplay can scale way better than the Crytek Island GPU benchmark many sites use. Some parts of the game are more CPU limited, but there are parts of the game that kills a single GPU and SLI does incredible at. Worth every penny IMO just to keep the fps up in those GPU crushing areas.

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