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48** Series...Anytime Now...Who's buying?

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May 11, 2008 2:34:39 AM

I've been patiently waiting for this card series to come out so I can dump my 7900gs into my older pc. I've seen the benchmark for the 4870 and I'm sure everyone else has. Who else is looking into buying this too? :D 

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May 11, 2008 2:45:28 AM

Where is this benchmark?? Link me, I am probably buying that card for my new build coming up shortly.
May 11, 2008 2:49:12 AM

Well IF its a beast like im thinking it will be im going to be 100% getting one to replace my old tired 8800gt! I swear ATI better not mess this one up!
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May 11, 2008 3:12:00 AM

Crazy lads...everyone talking about dumping their perfectly good 8800 series cards. What about us folk still holding on strong to the 7800 series cards! Awww...who am I kidding...I need a full PC upgrade...not just a videocard.
May 11, 2008 3:32:49 AM

stabgotham said:
Crazy lads...everyone talking about dumping their perfectly good 8800 series cards. What about us folk still holding on strong to the 7800 series cards! Awww...who am I kidding...I need a full PC upgrade...not just a videocard.


And this is how i came to realize how obsessed i became with pc hardware..I did the same thing when i had my car...Figured computer's would calm me down...Now i feel like my 8800gt is old and i need my fix...lol
May 11, 2008 3:38:15 AM

My 1st PC i had a 9600xt...needed a ungrade so got a x1600 pro 512 AGP card. Then my alienware Laptop had a x1800(Very good laptop GPU...Ran a little hot) And for my new PC i just bought a 3870. So I plan on getting a 4870 1Gb GDDR5 card before I maybe grab a 45nm Phenom to take the place of my 9600 BE. I can't wait.
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 4:57:27 AM

The top of the line 4870 (not counting the X2) has 480/5=96 SPs vs 128 on the 8800GTS
1gb GDDR5 vs 512mb GDDR3 on the GTS
32 TMU vs ~56TMU
256 bit vs 256bit
16 ROP vs 24 ROP
I'll be surprised if the 4870 beats a 8800GTS
May 11, 2008 5:08:07 AM

then prepare to be impressed as that is a vague comparison of specs, not taking into account the architectures.
May 11, 2008 5:11:07 AM

one-shot said:
I've been patiently waiting for this card series to come out so I can dump my 7900gs into my older pc. I've seen the benchmark for the 4870 and I'm sure everyone else has. Who else is looking into buying this too? :D 

I need to say something like 50-100% increase over my 8800GT, which i know i probably wont get anytime soon.
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 5:31:37 AM

I've put off buying a new video card waiting till the 48xx come out, more because i hope they'll have an impact on all upper end video card prices, then the idea i'll get it. I can wait and see how it really performs before making any decisions. No "need for speed" or being on the cutting edge for me.
May 11, 2008 5:43:32 AM

I think any modern video card 8800gt and above will give me a ~500% increase (LOL) in performance over my 7900gs. I have a 20 widescreen 1680x1050 and the 256mb memory struggle at that res and holds back my e6750 clocked @ 3.5ghz.
May 11, 2008 6:28:57 AM

I'm never buying from ATI again until the prove to me they can make decent drivers. Remember how the 3850x2 was supposed to spank everything NVIDIA had?

I'll stick with my dual 9800 GX2's, thank you very much.
May 11, 2008 6:55:25 AM

one-shot said:
I think any modern video card 8800gt and above will give me a ~500% increase (LOL) in performance over my 7900gs. I have a 20 widescreen 1680x1050 and the 256mb memory struggle at that res and holds back my e6750 clocked @ 3.5ghz.


I really doubt that. If you look at tomshardware vga charts, which has avariety of games and variety of resolutions and settings, with the overall all games framerate thing selected, the 8800gt is only a 81 percent boost.

2125.4 / 1172.9 = 1.812.

This means the 8800gt gets on average 81.2 percent more frames on games.

I have an x1950 pro. From what we've heard, the 4870 is supposed to be about as fast as the 3870x2, which is about 15% faster than the 8800ultra.

From my calculations, if all of these things are true, then the 4870 will be more than double the performance of my current card, which is what I try to look for before I upgrade.

But yeah, I think I'll be getting one. I'm pretty excited. Hopefully it lives up to its expectations. It'll be my first real high end card. So I'm pretty happy about that. It should last a while for me.



But yeah, I think the 256 on my card does hold me back a little at this res too. And I have an e6550 at 3.4Ghz. It's funny, we have pretty similar stuff.
May 11, 2008 7:22:39 AM

sabot00 said:
The top of the line 4870 (not counting the X2) has 480/5=96 SPs vs 128 on the 8800GTS
1gb GDDR5 vs 512mb GDDR3 on the GTS
32 TMU vs ~56TMU
256 bit vs 256bit
16 ROP vs 24 ROP
I'll be surprised if the 4870 beats a 8800GTS


480/5=96 SPs vs 128 --> 4870 much more efficient stream processors
32 TMU vs ~56TMU --> nvidias using TMUs for antialising but atis using stream processors (differnet architecture)
256 bit vs 256bit --> 4870 uses GDRR5 so it has much more merory bandwith
16 ROP vs 24 ROP --> The 16 ROP was not the bottleneck for 3870 series

I'll not be surprised if the 4870 beats a 8800GTS


May 11, 2008 8:32:17 AM

im just **** pissed at myself for having bought the 9800gx2..... no one will buy my 9800gx2 from me... i want the new ati cards so badly, they are going to kick ass.
May 11, 2008 8:50:15 AM

Please remember how the 300 series was supposed to rock ? I say ATI is full of S*** and this will just about tie my gts. Besides you just know Nvidia is waiting to embarrass them yet again.
May 11, 2008 9:11:13 AM

Open your mind royalcrown.
Just don't say things like that, UNTIL the 4800s come out.
Then we shall see
May 11, 2008 9:17:34 AM

I know, but ATI and AMD's record of mediocrity still stands until they PROVE it
May 11, 2008 9:24:08 AM

Well if it's supposed to be like $350, I'm pretty sure it'd at least be better than the 8800gts.
May 11, 2008 9:52:03 AM

wonder what the 4870x2 will be like... twice the power of the 3870x2 *drool* but unlikely.
May 11, 2008 11:30:18 AM

Hmmm... the ATI has said that 3800 and 4800 are middle range cards, so do not expect high end results, but 4800 should definitely be better than 3800 so, it should be nice card, although it can not be compared to g200 (if it will be released any time soon... and if 4800 is good, then we will see G200 soon enough.)
The saying that: "the 4870 is supposed to be about as fast as the 3870x2" is from ATI so it should be somewhat right. It's much more than I by my self am expecting it to be, because the differences between 3800 and 4800 series are not so big. Most likely 4870 can get near the results of 3870x2, because it's one chip solution, so there is not the scaling problem.
In titles where scaling is good, the 3870x2 will be better, and where the scaling is not so good, the 4870 will be better. In most cases where the scaling is even somewhat good the 3870x2 should be much faster.
It will be near 8800GTS I supose, then the price most propably is the thing that means a lot in that competition. First released parts are with GDDR3 because of low suply of GDDR5... So at the beginning, it's very close fight.
May 11, 2008 11:32:19 AM

A_Dying_Wren said:
wonder what the 4870x2 will be like... twice the power of the 3870x2 *drool* but unlikely.


Yes... unlikely... 1.5 times faster... would be nice enough!
May 11, 2008 12:10:39 PM

I'll wait for a game that I want to play that requires me to upgrade my 8800gt, so far it's handling all that I play now..

On XP @ 12 x 10

Crysis...np
COD4...sweet
Gears Of War..smooth and fast
Bioshock..flies
HL2 + eps + Portal, cards too good..
Trackmania, makes my head spin..

As I said, why upgrade if there're no games to upgrade to?
May 11, 2008 12:10:59 PM

I have had 2 3870x2s since their release.

They are still not working to their potential due to my quad core bottlenecking them. Why would anyone with hardware still having unrealized potential buy newer hardware that will have the same problem?

Maybe if you only want to run one card instead of two, but that should be the only reason. Any other is a waste.

I am not interested in any 48xx cards, period, Since 4 3870gpus right now is complete overkill.
May 11, 2008 12:32:19 PM

sabot00 said:
The top of the line 4870 (not counting the X2) has 480/5=96 SPs vs 128 on the 8800GTS
1gb GDDR5 vs 512mb GDDR3 on the GTS
32 TMU vs ~56TMU
256 bit vs 256bit
16 ROP vs 24 ROP
I'll be surprised if the 4870 beats a 8800GTS


Apples to oranges comparison, different architectures

May 11, 2008 3:37:27 PM

im edging over the hd3870 now.hmmm.....but then again, i will wait for a while until this one comes out!
May 11, 2008 3:44:18 PM

If 4870 1024 mb single gpu has a performance point higher than 9800 gtx/8800 ultra/other high end single gpu cards, then I would definitely consider it

Otherwise, its a money sink that will be outdated far too rapidly.
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 4:15:01 PM

Im looking at 10%+. Will that be enough? Who knows, but it is a DX10.1 capable part, and thats where were heading, and once its in place, as a few more titles will come out with it, well see even more performance, with a little eye candy too. If the next game comes out using DX10.1 that youll have to have, then thats just 1 more good thing about this card
a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2008 4:25:05 PM

Here are some benchmarks.

link
May 11, 2008 5:27:08 PM

The Lads said:
I'll wait for a game that I want to play that requires me to upgrade my 8800gt, so far it's handling all that I play now..

On XP @ 12 x 10

Crysis...np
COD4...sweet
Gears Of War..smooth and fast
Bioshock..flies
HL2 + eps + Portal, cards too good..
Trackmania, makes my head spin..

As I said, why upgrade if there're no games to upgrade to?


+1

My evil plan is for the 4800 series to devalue the 3870/3850, so that I can snag a 3850 off of someone willing to unload it for $50 (not unreasonable since the low street price for a 3850 is $99 now). I will then Crossfire that with my 3870 out of pure gluttony since my 3870 runs every game I care about at max.
May 11, 2008 5:51:31 PM

geckoar said:
My 1st PC i had a 9600xt...needed a ungrade so got a x1600 pro 512 AGP card. Then my alienware Laptop had a x1800(Very good laptop GPU...Ran a little hot) And for my new PC i just bought a 3870. So I plan on getting a 4870 1Gb GDDR5 card before I maybe grab a 45nm Phenom to take the place of my 9600 BE. I can't wait.


My first PC was a 286 @ 8 mhz with a built in CGA graphics. :lol: 

I'm not upgrading until games make my gpu craw.
May 11, 2008 6:10:53 PM

Well, I'm looking forward to seeing the real benchmarks, as my x1900xt 256Mb is falling behind, plus it doens't even run at stock speeds anymore. :cry:  Add that to the 1680x1050 monitor, and things just arn't pretty when I wanna play World in Conflict or CoD4 at native resolution. :/ 
May 12, 2008 9:48:45 PM

How do these German sites get it before US sites? I hope those benchmarks are true, but I just don't by the fact that this is a legitimate benchmark. I mean....show me a picture of the card...show me something that would make me believe you really have a tester.
a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2008 12:31:28 AM

royalcrown said:
Please remember how the 300 series was supposed to rock ? I say ATI is full of S*** and this will just about tie my gts.


Newsflash bud, the 300 DID rock, still to this day respected as one of the best ever.

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Besides you just know Nvidia is waiting to embarrass them yet again.


Based on what?

Until either releases, I'll go on the assumption that both companies will bring something competitive but not that surprising to the table.
Even if both are the best/worst of what they say they are, neither company looks to be embarassed, as for who will wear what crown depends on too many factors to guess right now.

I would hazard a guess that the RV770Pro will beat the HD3870, and the RV770XT will beat the GF8800U as will the GT200. Beyond that, you're need something more solid than the guesses most people are putting forward (ones that don't even make sense).

Both companies have learned new ways of competing, and right now both are selling their products at a loss simply to move volume, so they'll likely both look to significant enough boosts to justify more money and re-establish a better price structure (which is in ruins right now). The question is will chip A or B be worthy of enough money to cover the cost of their high end components with complex PCBs, exotic memory types or chip sizes?
a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2008 12:35:19 AM

The Lads said:
I'll wait for a game that I want to play that requires me to upgrade my 8800gt, so far it's handling all that I play now..


Wise way to spend ones money.
Usually do the same myself, although new things are always tempting of course. Ohh pretty that! Hey, whats that feature do? Wow, how much after MIR? Hmm, bet I could turn up a few features/resolution... :whistle: 

Of course at 12x10 I thnk you'll be set well into the next gen when you can decide based on some solid longerterm use rather than the initial purchasers' speculation. [:mousemonkey]
May 13, 2008 5:21:29 AM

Indeed thats why I never shoot for the highend. Its not good to invest so much in products that will be obsolete in just a few weeks/months. Upper Mid-range/lower Upper Range is more my plateau. So 6600GTs SLI, 7900GS/x1950Pro, 8800GT/GTS320, 9600GT are enough for most games at their respective time-periods.
May 13, 2008 11:30:04 AM

righteous said:
I have had 2 3870x2s since their release.

They are still not working to their potential due to my quad core bottlenecking them. Why would anyone with hardware still having unrealized potential buy newer hardware that will have the same problem?

Maybe if you only want to run one card instead of two, but that should be the only reason. Any other is a waste.

I am not interested in any 48xx cards, period, Since 4 3870gpus right now is complete overkill.


Just out of interest, whats it been like living with a quad crossfire setup? did cat.8.4 make any differences youve noticed?. Cat.8.5. should be out either this week or next, in your position would be interesting to watch this setup mature over time...

cheers
May 13, 2008 11:34:44 AM

one-shot said:
I've been patiently waiting for this card series to come out so I can dump my 7900gs into my older pc. I've seen the benchmark for the 4870 and I'm sure everyone else has. Who else is looking into buying this too? :D 



For the first time im considering just going straight to the top and buying a high end card when its released. So yeah im thinking of getting a gddr5 version when they appear in the uk. To hell with the cost, ive had enough bottom-feeding trawling ebay for 2nd hand bargains, I wanna have something (genuinely) new and shiny and be able to watch it mature over like a couple of years then when its finally over the hill talk about what a great investment it was :) 

Like you im on a 7 series card still, a 7900gt, and i just wanna get out of the dark ages ;) 
May 13, 2008 6:12:02 PM

If this is supposed to be their new supercard, do you think they'll make an all in wonder version of it?

I haven't owned an ATI card Since my X800XT all in wonder, what ever happened to those? AIW cards were awesome, why don't they offer them anymore, I usually live by nvidia, but I'd cross the line for a powerful AIW card, but since AMD bought them I sorta lost faith in them alltogether, their new website is horrible, for a company that makes graphics card you'd think they would do something a little more "graphical"

I'm very skeptical of this 4870 since they have had a history of dissapointment lately
2900XT, 3800 series... nvidia just seems more polished and their drivers kick butt
I always compare the two when I upgrade and every time, since the X800XT nvidia has been on top

but hey i'm running a 7900gt and until my other one (SLI) died it was more than keeping up with the new games
May 14, 2008 1:26:25 AM

spoonboy said:
For the first time im considering just going straight to the top and buying a high end card when its released. So yeah im thinking of getting a gddr5 version when they appear in the uk. To hell with the cost, ive had enough bottom-feeding trawling ebay for 2nd hand bargains, I wanna have something (genuinely) new and shiny and be able to watch it mature over like a couple of years then when its finally over the hill talk about what a great investment it was :) 


That's pretty much how I feel.
May 14, 2008 3:07:43 AM

I hope that:

*The 48xx ATI series is awesome....
*Meaning it plunges the prices of NVIDIA cards....
*Because I just bought a SLI rack (MSI P6N SLI Platinum) and would like to make use of it with NVIDIA.
May 14, 2008 3:54:43 AM

franchise said:
If this is supposed to be their new supercard, do you think they'll make an all in wonder version of it?

I haven't owned an ATI card Since my X800XT all in wonder, what ever happened to those? AIW cards were awesome, why don't they offer them anymore, I usually live by nvidia, but I'd cross the line for a powerful AIW card, but since AMD bought them I sorta lost faith in them alltogether, their new website is horrible, for a company that makes graphics card you'd think they would do something a little more "graphical"

I'm very skeptical of this 4870 since they have had a history of dissapointment lately
2900XT, 3800 series... nvidia just seems more polished and their drivers kick butt
I always compare the two when I upgrade and every time, since the X800XT nvidia has been on top

but hey i'm running a 7900gt and until my other one (SLI) died it was more than keeping up with the new games


AIW were kinda nice, I think maybe they discontinued it to market the ATI TV Wonder instead because the AIW market was just fair.

But TV wonder is good http://ati.amd.com/products/atitvwonder.html
May 14, 2008 5:49:32 AM

maverick7 said:
im just **** pissed at myself for having bought the 9800gx2..... no one will buy my 9800gx2 from me... i want the new ati cards so badly, they are going to kick ass.


I'm mildly ticked off that I bought my overclocked 3870x2 the first week of February and the 4870 will be out at the end of May. Nordic Hardware reports the 4870 will be 50% faster than the 3870, which is the speed of my card -- when Crossfire's recognized by a game.

I could have waited 4 months, but I didn't expect new ATI cards out before the holiday season.

I will replace my wife's 3850 with a 4850, but I'll wait till Deneb and a new motherboard to consider CrossfireX with a 4850 and the 3870x2 (they're both expected to be 850 megahertz clock, so they should match just fine for 3 GPU CrossfireX).

righteous said:
I have had 2 3870x2s since their release.

They are still not working to their potential due to my quad core bottlenecking them. Why would anyone with hardware still having unrealized potential buy newer hardware that will have the same problem?

Maybe if you only want to run one card instead of two, but that should be the only reason. Any other is a waste.

I am not interested in any 48xx cards, period, Since 4 3870gpus right now is complete overkill.


What resolution are you gaming at? I'm at 1280 x 1024 (CRT) and am a bit CPU limited. I'm moving my 4600+ to a 780G board next weekend so I can upgrade to a 95 watt 8750 and a 24" LCD in September, then I'll see if I'm still CPU limited.

What quad do you have? With two 3870x2's I'd think you'd not be CPU limited once you get to 24" resolutions, but see problems with anything below. It could also be that the CrossfireX drivers aren't mature.
May 14, 2008 6:08:29 AM

franchise said:
If this is supposed to be their new supercard, do you think they'll make an all in wonder version of it?

I haven't owned an ATI card Since my X800XT all in wonder, what ever happened to those? AIW cards were awesome, why don't they offer them anymore...


I miss the AIW cards too. I stuck with AGP too long and didn't get anything past the AIW 9800 Pro, but I still have that and an AIW 8500 128 in the closet just in case I set up an AGP box for anything.

I "blame" AMD for the demise of the All in Wonder cards, but it might have been ATI's decision once the 2xxx series arrived. Now, you can't find a used PCIe X1900 AIW if you try.

At any rate, the 3xxx series is not bad. Why do people diss it? ATI didn't fudge the Crysis demo's benchmarks with a driver that didn't display the water correctly. Nvidia does that kind of thing when the Next Big Game arrives. Now, both ATI and Nvidia are reported as fudging Futuremark Vantage drivers to favor a particular card in the individual benchmark that makes them look best. :non: 

Anyways, I'm happy with my 3870x2, except inasmuch as I bought it 4-6 months before the 4870x2 arrives. If I'd known, I would have just gone 3870 and waited. What ever happened to roadmaps that gave you an idea what's coming out over the next year?

royalcrown said:
Please remember how the 300 series was supposed to rock ? I say ATI is full of S*** and this will just about tie my gts. Besides you just know Nvidia is waiting to embarrass them yet again.


You are so predictable. They leapfrog. Pure and simple. ATI's had a few bad cards, but so has Nvidia. If you want to go back to a low end card like the X300, then I'll bring up the FX 5200.

I actually think you meant the 3xxx series, which isn't bad. Not at all. It solved issues with the 2xxx series and brought them closer to the dominance they had in the Radeon 9800 and the X1900 generations.

Maybe the 4xxx series will bring back that dominance. Maybe not. At any rate, Nvidia's been holding back just like Intel because they don't feel there's competition.

When games aren't the only thing that matters, ATI beats Nvidia. In games, they tie some and lose some. The win a very few. At any rate, in my favorite TWIMTBP game, LOTR Online, my performance with a 3870x2 is still good because the game treats Crossfire and SLI equally badly.

Maybe I'd be better off with an 8800gt, but not in my other games where ATI shines, and not when AVIVO matters. When will you take a balanced view of both companies?



May 14, 2008 12:57:38 PM

franchise said:
If this is supposed to be their new supercard, do you think they'll make an all in wonder version of it?

I haven't owned an ATI card Since my X800XT all in wonder, what ever happened to those? AIW cards were awesome, why don't they offer them anymore, I usually live by nvidia, but I'd cross the line for a powerful AIW card, but since AMD bought them I sorta lost faith in them alltogether, their new website is horrible, for a company that makes graphics card you'd think they would do something a little more "graphical"

I'm very skeptical of this 4870 since they have had a history of dissapointment lately
2900XT, 3800 series... nvidia just seems more polished and their drivers kick butt
I always compare the two when I upgrade and every time, since the X800XT nvidia has been on top

but hey i'm running a 7900gt and until my other one (SLI) died it was more than keeping up with the new games


woha there, x1800xt was slightly slower than a 7800gtx 512mb but those geforces were quite rare and so expensive as to be pointless even for a high end graphics card (they cost at the time 580 pounds in the u.k.) and the x1900xt not to mention xtx or x1950xtx were in another league altogether from the 7900gtx, maybe not soo much at launch but over time theyve aged alot better. Ive got a 2nd hand evga 7900gt but i soon wished id spent a bit more and got a x1900xt off ebay. If anything since getting interested in pcs at around the geforce 6/radeonx800 era it was nvidia who had the snazzy budget cards but couldn't compete at the very top with ati until the 8800gtx came out.
May 14, 2008 3:49:31 PM

If there was a trade-up program for ATI I might consider it. I have a 3870x2 with modded cooling so unless I could sell it to a friend I can't. I would like to though...
May 14, 2008 4:26:07 PM

I probly will. just wait so I can compaire them to 8800GTS 512Mb
May 14, 2008 5:42:38 PM

two weeks away and all we still got is speculation. Why is it that the technology is kept like its a state secret.
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2008 9:42:53 PM

Because if either side knows enough about their competition's hardware then they can do last minute changes to improve their own performance (at the cost of yields or cost [more expensive memory, etc]) which then hurts them. There's no benifit to either AMD or nV to let anyone know in advance of being able to buy the hardware. A few times both companies have pushed last minute BIOS changes to update clocks, etc. Memory's harder to change, but adding 50mhz to core and memory at the cost of higher failure rate may be worth it to them.

They both used to paper launch the stuff, but now with availability at launch you don't want to give anyone a peak until you are ready to sell them.
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2008 11:16:14 PM

Look for them in June, May was hopeful, but its looking more n more like June
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