CPU bottlenecking gaming perfomance?

Well a few months ago i upgraded from my 8500gt to a PNY 8800gt. Getting Crysis to celebrate the occasion I notice the fps being a little slow from what iv been seeing other 8800gt's going(even Ocing mine to others it still was lacking performance). Im guessing my CPU is the problem becuase of it being very very underpowered. My system specs are as followed:

4200 x2
Asus mobo (distributed with HP comps)
2gb of corsair 800mhz (forget which model exactly)
250gb SATA 3gbs 7200rpm
PNY 8800gt XLR8 series

I ran some of the GPU tests and it seemed that all the details were getting almost the same FPS except in 1280x800

test0, med , no motion blur= min=17.56 max=38.56 avg-28.27
test1, high, no motion blur= min=6.61 max=31.83 avg=21.41
test2,vhigh, no motion blur= min6.86 max=27.57 avg=20.83

If my CPU is my problem what would be a good way to go. Iv been looking at getting a new mobo (due to this one's BIOS being locked) with a nice cooler and OCing it, but would that really help due to AMD lacking in L2 cache and architecture? If not I was thinking of going for the new Wolfdales C2D that intel made. Any help, or opinions would be great .
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  1. Yea, it most likely is the CPU thats bottlenecking. You could buy a new motherboard and OC to eliminate the bottleneck, but if you can afford a new processor that would be best. For gaming the best you can get right now is the Wolfdale cores, E8200 would do fine, but 8400 and 8500 are better, depends on how much you wanna spend
  2. how much of a performance increase would OCing my prossessor really give, im more tempted to just sell my soul and spend the 300 to get a lg775 mobo + e8400. But again how much performance am i really gonna see with doing either of those options?
  3. You may want to check out this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=2149026
    and it's associated link: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout_9.html
    and Tom's CPU charts (Click through the different benchmarks): http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2007/warhammer-mark-of-chaos,399.html?p=1267%2C1235%2C1250 - for an overclock estimate, I use an X2 5400+ (2.8) as it's the highest model based on the same Windsor-512 that the 4200+ is.



    E8400's Advantage over 4200+ is shown below:


    SYSMark 2007 - 155 vs. 88 (76%)
    3DMark06 - 11601 vs. 8195 (42%)
    3DMarkCPU - 2813 vs. 1635 (72%)

    Quake 4 1024x768 HQ - 155 vs. 83 (87%)
    HL 2: Episode 2 1024x768 - 181 vs. 99 (83%)
    Crysis, 1024x768 MQ - 69 vs. 35 (98%)
    Unreal Tournament 3, 1024x768 - 101 vs. 52 (94%)
    World in Conflict, 1024x768 MQ - 89 vs. 36 (147%)

    MP3 Encoding, ITunes 7.4 - 108s vs. 203s (88%)
    DivX 6.8, fps - 67 vs. 34 (97%)
    Xvid 1.2, fps - 46 vs. 24 (92%)
    Mainconcept H.264 Encoder - 35 vs. 19 (84%)

    3ds Max 9, Rendering - 5.21 vs. 2.73 (91%)
    CINEBENCH R10, Rendering - 6318 vs. 3536 (79%)
    Photoshop CS3 - 67s vs. 149 s (122%)
    After Effects CS3 - 383s vs. 840 (119%)

    Mathematica 6 - 3.40 vs. 1.63 (109%)
    WinRAR 3.7 - 287s vs. 479s (67%)

    System Power Consumption (Idle)
    8400 = 171W
    4200+ = 172W

    System Power consumption (load)
    8400 = 214W
    4200+ = 218W

    Average Advantage: 91.5% (~92%)

  4. Couldn't of said it better myself, exit2dos. However the E7200 is also a good option if you want to save 60$. As for motherboard, I recommend...
    Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128337
    89.99
    Asus P5K-E
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131225
    $139.99
    Abit IP35 Pro
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127030
    $129.99 after $50.00 MIR
    eVGA 750i FTW
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188026&Tpk=evga%2b750i%2bftw
    $189.99

    All boards are good choices depending on your budget. The Gigabyte motherboard is obviously the most affordable. No raid, wont do any record-breaking overclocks, runs hot.
    Asus motherboard has all the features you really need, good overclocking capability.
    Abit board is a fantastic deal with $50.00 MIR. Similair to the P5K-E in overclocking and features.
    eVGA motherboard is the best board ever! Well, I think so anyway. Great overclocking, no non-sense motherboard, and SLI.
  5. sweet thanks guys, exit2dos that first link definaly desided me on a C2D a x2 gainon most games over 4200, thats insane.Definatly expains my low fps =(.
    yeah even if i get a C2D i still wanna OC, and thanks omen for the mobo links.
  6. SELL SOUL SELL SOUL
  7. swat565 said:
    Well a few months ago i upgraded from my 8500gt to a PNY 8800gt. Getting Crysis to celebrate the occasion I notice the fps being a little slow from what iv been seeing other 8800gt's going(even Ocing mine to others it still was lacking performance). Im guessing my CPU is the problem becuase of it being very very underpowered. My system specs are as followed: ~snip~

    I ran some of the GPU tests and it seemed that all the details were getting almost the same FPS except in 1280x800



    1) Crysis at a low screen resolution = :pt1cable:

    2) 8800gt + x2 4200 @ 16x10 = :bounce:
    (for 95% of games)
  8. If your current board supported OCing this would be a no brainer, just crank that 4200 up and enjoy, however, if you have to buy a new board anyway, defiantly sell your soul and get the Intel.
  9. +1 for the wolfie and DS3L
  10. swat565 said:
    sweet thanks guys, exit2dos that first link definaly desided me on a C2D a x2 gainon most games over 4200, thats insane.Definatly expains my low fps =(.
    yeah even if i get a C2D i still wanna OC, and thanks omen for the mobo links.


    f1nal_0men is correct. Check my sig out below. The e7200 can easily reach 3.8G at 400FSB. My cpu tem never exceeds 57c. I am only using a Thermaltake golden orb 2, if i had a better HS&F i would push 4.0G. For $139 the e7200 is hard to beat its value. If you OC.
  11. wow
    just O.C. the cpu you have now and don't worry about selling anything to get only a FEW frames more

    *side note - the comparison between the 2 cpus above is bogus. O.C. the 4200+ then re-calc. the results. The cpu score will be closer to 2200. In real game tests the intellll will only get you a little more.
    The vid. card being the most important... of course. Your's is fine for a while. I recommend that you experiment w/O.C. -ing, instead of buying a new mobo and cpu, reinstalling everything, and only getting 10(+/-)FPS difference for your $300+ AND a new O.S. = $150+ TOTAL = $450+ for 10fps "?"
    Your current O.S. isn't gonna transfer unless you have a FULL install disk, I'm sure you know that.
  12. FYI - to answer your question...
    Your overall score for 3DMark06, @default settings of course, will increase by about 3,000 points FOR FREE!!!
  13. nevasumma said:
    FYI - to answer your question...
    Your overall score for 3DMark06, @default settings of course, will increase by about 3,000 points FOR FREE!!!

    Just how I like my chicken sandwiches and waffle fries.
  14. I guess it's too late by now, but you have to realize that what you are not being told is that you'll also have to buy new mem. to O.C. the NEW cpu you get, even a little bit. PLUS PSU, and good coooooling. Benchies from Intel paid sites are also going to show you the biggest gains possibly achievable over the competition. Like I mentioned before, real world game tests are not that far off from what you could achieve by taking YOUR cpu to 2,800+mhz.

    *It's fun to beat the pants off the newbies w/an old ass system that you O.C. the sh_t out of. See mine. I get 12,500+ on 3DMark06. 13,000+ if I O.C. the video cards. You could just get a dual core vid card later, to avoid having to buy a new MOBO just to keep up with your aging rig. It's all about the power though. You have to have enough STABLE power, for anything discussed here. Buy a new PSU if anything. Maybe even some Artic Silver 5 too. Were talking $100- vs. $450+ now.
  15. that comment about memory upgrade? thats just wrong unless I am completely bonkers (a decent set of 800mhz does me fine anyway...)
  16. If you can OC go for it. If you can't then get a P35-DS3L and a Q6600/E8400/E7200/E2180
  17. This is one of those "everybodies right and everybodies wrong things", with no offense to anyone of course. The MB that swat has is a socket 939 and uses DDR 184 pin mem. I have seen the BIOS on one of these HP systems. No overclocking can be done, there are ZERO adjustments in the bios that can change freq or voltage.

    Swat really you have two choices. The one you are taking by installing the better VC, which will take you just so far or getting a new system. If you were to just get a new MB that would support the CPU that you have now the OS as configured by HP would give you problems as it was configured for the old MB. The OS might work somewhat (I doubt it would boot) but with the chipset drivers designed for old chipset the new chipset would crippled because of the wrong drivers installed and the HP OS wouldn't accept the drivers from the new MB.

    You could build all from scratch by selecting specific componets, which is what I perfer or you could buy another off the shelf system and then install your new VC.

    Stranger makes a good point. Have you done everything to get the best performance with the system you have? Are you sure that all that can be done to improve the system and the new VC have been done? I'll bet system restore is turned on.

    Many have offered excellent part suggestions. You will want to research which ones appeal to you. A quad core would be nice especially if you use your computer for other than gaming. A dual core will overclock higher and for gaming give you better performance (FPS) with most current games.

    One last consideration which only you can decide is Crysis alone worth the time and expense? Some sites will tell you that because of the poor coding even the latest greatest and hottest systems have trouble with this game.

    Check out this link to THG cpu charts- http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2007/supreme-commander,397.html?p=1272%2C1271%2C1269%2C1262%2C1259%2C1258%2C1257%2C1290%2C1298%2C1289%2C1227%2C1288%2C1287%2C1233%2C1230%2C1278%2C1293%2C1284%2C1292%2C1219%2C1318%2C1317%2C1218%2C1310

    It's for Supreme Commander which is a very taxing game also but a better coded game. THG doesn't post scores for Crysis. Notice what the system cost in dollars will be to achieve these scores. Also remember these test systems are clean OS installs with no extra software. No anti virus, Office, internet or other resource hogging software that in the real world we all have because of how we use our computers which may knock of 5-10% on those FPS.

    Keep the old system it still as a very usefull life left. Tune it to the best performance possible. Mostly none of the old parts could/would be used in a new build anyway. Get a new system complete as you are able to afford it. Learn to network the two have fun.
  18. ^Well said.
  19. apparantly if you dont get a 4ghz intel with a 9800GX2 dont even think about vhigh at anything above 1280x.

    Crysis is very sensitive to CPU speed.and that aging AMD you got in your pc is worth nothing to invest any more money in.

    you either partially upgrade now.or i suggest you hold off for a month then you can get some really good deal on CPU+MOBO as the new P45 is coming out so P35 mobo price will drop and so is the intel CPUs especially the quad core which will get price drop at 3rd quarter of this year.
  20. nevasumma said:
    wow
    just O.C. the cpu you have now and don't worry about selling anything to get only a FEW frames more

    *side note - the comparison between the 2 cpus above is bogus. O.C. the 4200+ then re-calc. the results. The cpu score will be closer to 2200. In real game tests the intellll will only get you a little more.
    The vid. card being the most important... of course. Your's is fine for a while. I recommend that you experiment w/O.C. -ing, instead of buying a new mobo and cpu, reinstalling everything, and only getting 10(+/-)FPS difference for your $300+ AND a new O.S. = $150+ TOTAL = $450+ for 10fps "?"
    Your current O.S. isn't gonna transfer unless you have a FULL install disk, I'm sure you know that.


    ...Why won't it transfer? I've changed mobo and CPU, and my OS transferred just fine. I just hooked it up to the same drive.

    edit: Oh, I guess you can have problems. I guess I just didn't.
  21. Dalyinx said:
    ...Why won't it transfer? I've changed mobo and CPU, and my OS transferred just fine. I just hooked it up to the same drive.

    edit: Oh, I guess you can have problems. I guess I just didn't.


    Yup.

    Chances of transfering an OEM version of WinXP to a new mobo/cpu are slim. If it's the same chipset as the previous mobo you stand a much better chance - but will most likely still have to reactivate.

    It also screws up other software licenses tied to the hardware - doubt that applies in this case - some are easy to transfer. Some software vendors really really suck about it ... (Are you reading me, Adobe ???)
  22. Wisecracker said:
    Yup.

    Chances of transfering an OEM version of WinXP to a new mobo/cpu are slim. If it's the same chipset as the previous mobo you stand a much better chance - but will most likely still have to reactivate.

    It also screws up other software licenses tied to the hardware - doubt that applies in this case - some are easy to transfer. Some software vendors really really suck about it ... (Are you reading me, Adobe ???)



    oh. my PC came with vista...and XP is 200 bucks...and I wanted XP

    so yeah. Maybe that's why.
  23. I guess i'm lucky, when I went from being a Dell slave to building my first rig I used the dell install disk fine, I did have to reformat though.
  24. to the above comments if my Vista OS doesnt work i always have XP home and like 3 CD keys from old systems that people have trashed and i hapily harvested ^.^. Also Crysis isnt the only reason i want to upgrade, i want to be prepared for future games coming out.

    Edit: also what would you guys recomend the e7200 or the e8200, im tight on a budget and id probley be OCing the e7200 if i got it. Would the performance justify the price, esp the only real diffrence going to be the L2 cache being halfed...
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