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What is the best out of those 3 agp cards?

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May 13, 2008 8:44:11 AM

I'm looking for an upgrade to my computer's graphics.
I'm currently using the Gigabyte Radeon 9550 128BIT card.

The 3 cards are nVidia Geforce 7600GS, ATI Radeon X1650PRO and ATI HD2600PRO.
I looked in the site's Desktop VGA Charts, and find out that the HD2600PRO is much better than the other two.
But I noticed that in this charts all the cards are PCI-E, and the HD2600PRO AGP version has 800-1000MHZ DDR2 Memory speed, while the PCI-E is 1400MHZ G-DDR3 memory speed (So I believe the AGP Version is much weaker).
The X1650PRO seems to be stronger than the 7600GS.
I know that the HD2600 Pro supports DX10, but I prefer Performance than that support.

I searched for a comparison but I didn't find.

1. What do you recommend?

2. I can go for the 7600GT. the problem is my power supply, it's 300W only. the manufacturer is FSP Group - it's Power supply comes with a foxconn case. The model is F350-A. I think it's real watts.

The rest of the computer is:

Intel Pentium 4 2.4B
MSI 865PE Neo 2 S
PQI 256MB DDR 333MHZ X 2 DC
Samsung 512MB DDR 400MHZ X 2 DC
GigaByte Radeon 9550 128BIT@380/500
WD 80GB WD800JD SATA
LG GSA-H10A DVD Recorder
Logitech Internet Pro Black Keyboard
Samsung SyncMaster 710T
Foxconn TLA570 + FSP 300W

a. Do I need another PSU for this Card?
b. If not, Does the Cpu is a bottleneck for 7600GT? and if I overclock it to 3GHZ how it would preform?

thank you.

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May 13, 2008 8:58:07 AM

My 7600 gs runs on a 220 watt ps...so you stand a good chance with it working, but I just looked at 7600 gt's and the price is super high, it'd almost be better for you to make the switch to pcie already and get an 8800gt. Unless you just have a few bucks to upgrade your video card, now is an awesome time to switch on the cheap.
May 13, 2008 8:58:26 AM

My 7600 gs runs on a 220 watt ps...so you stand a good chance with it working, but I just looked at 7600 gt's and the price is super high, it'd almost be better for you to make the switch to pcie already and get an 8800gt. Unless you just have a few bucks to upgrade your video card, now is an awesome time to switch on the cheap.
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May 13, 2008 10:03:47 AM

in my country (Israel) 7600GS costs 400NIS (115US Dollar) and the 7600GT costs 600NIS (170US Dollar), just more half from the 7600GS cost.

a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2008 10:09:50 AM

I would absolutely agree that it is time to upgrade your entire system to something that supports PCIe.
It can be done pretty cheaply if you are on a budget.

If you are unable/unwilling to upgrade your whole system, I would recommend a 2600XT for $89.99.
It will perform much faster than the PRO versions (GDDR3 + better clocks).
There is a decent chance that you will run into some bottle necking with your current setup, though.

Your PSU can probably handle the upgraded GPU.
That being said, I doubt it will handle an entirely new system.
If you decide to upgrade your whole system I would highly recommend a new PSU.
May 13, 2008 12:32:40 PM

I don't have the money for the moment to switch to PCI-E system.
I won't buy the card abroad, and here in israel the price of the 7600GT AGP is equal to the 2600XT AGP.

1) Is the 2600XT batter than the 7600GT?

2) What is the difference between those two power consumption?

3) will it be batter to take the 7600GS/1650XT considering the bottle necking?

a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2008 12:58:55 PM

My son is using the 7600GS on his AMD 939 setup and it works well for gaming so far.

I also recommend that you ugrade your ram to at least 1gig if possible. 512mb has to be maxing out quite frequently.

What games are you planning to play?
May 13, 2008 4:25:03 PM

I checked and I saw that the power consumption of the 7600GT and the 2600XT is almost equal.

So I understand that my system can handle those cards?

In the VGA Charts the HD2600XT got 892 of all game fps, while the 7600GT got 917. The HD has SM4 while the 7600GT has SM3. which is batter?

thank you again.
May 13, 2008 7:16:18 PM

this card is not an option. it's much expensive than the 2600XT and the 7600GT, and my PSU will not be enough for this card.

The 7600GT and the 2600XT will be enough for me. If I will go for the 7600GT instead the 2600XT it will be a mistake?

thanks again.
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May 13, 2008 7:19:38 PM

The HD2600XT is better than the 7600GT. Shoot, I'd take one over a 7900GS anyday. Don't let the VGA charts mislead you as those are old games which you simply can't just add up the fps and decide a winner. The HD2600XT is weak in fsaa performance, but really so is the 7600GT for newer games. Some older games will be real close between the two, some newer shader heavy games the HD2600XT will absolutely crush it. One example right here: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3128&p=4 In that game the 7900GT can't come close to an HD2600XT: http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=693&p=5

The 2600 pro would be the next best you mentioned. And Currently I would say a GDDR3 X1650 pro is a bit better than the 7600GS and the GDDR2 X1650 pro a bit worse than a 7600GS. Basically they trade blows depending on the game and exact card model (clock speeds). The X1650 pro would require more power than the 7600GS or HD2600 pro.

a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2008 7:23:24 PM

Idan said:
this card is not an option. it's much expensive than the 2600XT and the 7600GT, and my PSU will not be enough for this card.

The 7600GT and the 2600XT will be enough for me. If I will go for the 7600GT instead the 2600XT it will be a mistake?

thanks again.

Depending on price yes. If priced about the same, don't buy the 7600GT. The HD2600XT is alot better in UT3, COD4, Crysis, Oblivion, last couple Need for Speeds, etc.

Another example chart. Look at HD2600XT beat 7900GT and 7900GS in Crysis. Obviously 7600GS is under 7900GS. http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=698&p=2
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2008 4:23:02 AM

With that said, I would bag an HD2600XT, run like H E double hockey sticks and not look back... ;) 
May 14, 2008 5:45:33 AM

I saw models of the HD2600XT PCI-E with 2200GHZ Memory speed, but the most of the cards are 600/1400 what equal to the AGP version. (?)

As I said, I saw that the HD2600XT and the 7600GT have the same power consumption, can I get the HD2600XT with my fsp 300W?

thank you.
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