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Profile: stranger
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Hello,

I'm looking for a cheap, but recent AGP graphics card.
I prefer ATI or nVidia below € 100,- (I'm from the Netherlands :) )

This one was recommended, but someone else told that DirectX 10 cards will give problems on Windows XP.

Here are some specs:

* NEC PowerMate ML6
* Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2 (Genuine)
* Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80 GHz (2 CPUs)
* 768 MB RAM memory (coming soon upgrading to 1 GB or more)
* NVidia GeForce 4 MX 440 with AGP 8x (64 MB VRAM)
* 40 GB harddisk intern
* 160 GB harddisk extern
* DirectX 9.0c
* SoundMAX digital audio
* Belinea default Plug-and-Play monitor at 1024×768×32-bits 85Hz

This PC doesn't have PCI-E slots, only an AGP 8x slot or some PCI slots

I want to game a bit with it.
Games like GTA San Andreas, Sims 2, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 4 or maby Crysis.

Thanks for the advice!

(But forgive me my English :sarcastic: )

Kind regards,
Martijn

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Profile: addict
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check how much an 3850 agp costs where you live. this is the best agp card out there. probably the last one to be made too. i haven't seen any 8 or 9 nvidia agp series. who knows what amd will do with 4 series. 3850 will last you the longest.

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oh and i use ati 3870 dx10 card in xp without any issues.

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Flitskikker wrote :

Hello,

I'm looking for a cheap, but recent AGP graphics card.
I prefer ATI or nVidia below € 100,- (I'm from the Netherlands :) )

This one was recommended, but someone else told that DirectX 10 cards will give problems on Windows XP.

Here are some specs:

* NEC PowerMate ML6
* Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2 (Genuine)
* Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80 GHz (2 CPUs)
* 768 MB RAM memory (coming soon upgrading to 1 GB or more)
* NVidia GeForce 4 MX 440 with AGP 8x (64 MB VRAM)
* 40 GB harddisk intern
* 160 GB harddisk extern
* DirectX 9.0c
* SoundMAX digital audio
* Belinea default Plug-and-Play monitor at 1024×768×32-bits 85Hz

This PC doesn't have PCI-E slots, only an AGP 8x slot or some PCI slots

I want to game a bit with it.
Games like GTA San Andreas, Sims 2, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 4 or maby Crysis.

Thanks for the advice!

(But forgive me my English :sarcastic: )

Kind regards,
Martijn



Hi Martijn welcome to the forums.
That card is a pretty good match for your system, in fact it is what i would have recomended to you. Dont worry about what you have been told there is no reason the card wont work with XP.
Mactronix :)

Profile: stranger
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Ok, thanks for the info!
I'll look for the 3850. Or is the nVidia GeForce 7600 GS better?

BTW: I see the 3850 has DVI output. Does a VGA to DVI exist? I've a CRT monitor :P

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Yes this card is better than the 7600GS and generaly in the box there is at least one DVI to VGA adapter. Check on the manucfacturer website for box contents.

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Flitskikker wrote :

Ok, thanks for the info!
I'll look for the 3850. Or is the nVidia GeForce 7600 GS better?

BTW: I see the 3850 has DVI output. Does a VGA to DVI exist? I've a CRT monitor :P



I looked up The 3850 which would be overkill for your system and its 125 which is why i didnt suggest it :)
Mactronix

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Profile: addict
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Short answer Flits, try for the 3850 AGP, and it should come with 1, or 2 DVI-D to VGA adapters.

Profile: stranger
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mactronix wrote :

I looked up The 3850 which would be overkill for your system and its 125 which is why i didnt suggest it :)
Mactronix



Why should it overkill my system?
And 125 what? :??:

Thanks anyway :)

Kind regards,
Martijn

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BTW: The 3650 is priced 85€ (131$/67pounds). Is that worth it?
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Flitskikker wrote :

BTW: The 3650 is priced 85€ (131$/67pounds). Is that worth it?
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Thats ok i cant post properly with out Quoting :(
Sorry i missed it out € 125, thats what its listed at on the site you linked to.
What i mean is that the card would not be able to use its full potential due to your CPU being a 2.8 P4, it would most likley restrict your frame rates due to not being able to keep the card supplied with info as quickly as the card can use it.
Its not that bad of an issue but its for you to decide if you want to spend extra money on something that you may not see all the benefits of.
On the + side you would definatly be able to use more AA/AF and other enhancements with the 3850.
Mactronix :)

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One caution i would make is to be sure your power supply will handle any upgrade in your video card. The card you are using at present requires very little power, the upgraded cards have pretty high power requirements. The 7600 GS is not as powerful as the ATI 3850.

Profile: stranger
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Overkill: Definition in context: Adding a component that is too highly ranked compared to the rest of the system, resulting in lackluster performance and disappointing performance-to-price ratio due to the rest of the system bottleneckign that particular component.

Considering that you have a highly unusual dual-P4 setup though, I doubt that your system would -have- to constrain your Graphics Card. Here's what to do if you're considering a 3850:


-Try to get some cheap RAM. Definitely try to bump the RAM up to at least 1.5G, preferably 2GB.

-Consider putting the 160GB external to internal. 160G HDDs are generally faster than 40Gs... well, unless your "40G" happen to be an early generation Raptor...

-Get better monitor? 3850 would be pumping out crazy nuts 100++fps for anything (not crysis) at 1024x768, and it won't be too noticeable. You can definitely play stuff at a much higher resolution... consider leeching a 1280x1024(19in) somewhere, heck, some corporates might even have them in the recycle yard now that people are demanding 24inch... bastards.

But if you're not doing any of these, well, 3650 will do. Or a 2600XT for a -little- (unnoticeable) more performance consuming more power, for possibly a little less. Your pick, either will run most stuff fine at the resolution and are in line with the rest of your components.

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Because I have an old PC:
I saw in the local "MediaMarkt" (electronical store) an nVidia GeForce 6200 for 19,95€.
Is that a good card? (I think not)
Otherwise, I'll buy the HD3650 online.
Although I prefer buying in shops.

Kind regards,
Martijn

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Addition to previous post:

Can my power supply handle the 3650/3850/7600GS ?

Kind regards,
Martijn

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Flitskikker wrote :

Because I have an old PC:
I saw in the local "MediaMarkt" (electronical store) an nVidia GeForce 6200 for 19,95€.
Is that a good card? (I think not)
Otherwise, I'll buy the HD3650 online.
Although I prefer buying in shops.

Kind regards,
Martijn



I would stick with the 3650 its new tec and will giv eyou access to better image quality and lighting effects.
I have always purchased my upgrades over the internet and have never had a problem, I know what you mean though.
Mactronix :)

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Flitskikker wrote :

Addition to previous post:

Can my power supply handle the 3650/3850/7600GS ?

Kind regards,
Martijn



Did you already list you Power Supply ?
If so i missed it.
Mactronix

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Go for the 3650, definitely. The HD 2600XT is almost identical too, with the exception of the manufacturing process (65nm vs. 55nm), so if you can find a good deal on that, it would also be recommendable.


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Lian-Li PC-7B | XClio Greatpower 550W | P4 3.2 Prescott SL7E5 | Scythe Ninja
2GB DDR400 Corsair VS (4*512) | eVGA nVidia GF 7600GS AGP vmod 1.46/1.91 OCd 740/910
WD 120GB & 250GB PATA & WD 640GB SATA (on PCI SATA card LOL)
WinXP MCE 2004
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mactronix wrote :

Did you already list you Power Supply ?
If so i missed it.
Mactronix



This may be a dumb question, but how can I find out?
Here my motherboard information, maybe that'll help:

NEC Palomar (MS-6763) 1.0
Chipset: Intel i865P/PE/G/i848P rev. A2
Southbridge: 82801EB (ICH5)
LPCIO: Winbond W83627HF

My computer model is NEC PowerMate ML6 (Tower).

I've got Everest on my computer, may I can find it there?

By The Way: I'm getting really good support here! Thanks! :)

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Profile: nimble knuckle
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The only way to know your PSU is to open the case. Look on the side of the PSU and there should be a sticker with a bunch of specs on it (and manufacturer, etc).


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Lian-Li PC-7B | XClio Greatpower 550W | P4 3.2 Prescott SL7E5 | Scythe Ninja
2GB DDR400 Corsair VS (4*512) | eVGA nVidia GF 7600GS AGP vmod 1.46/1.91 OCd 740/910
WD 120GB & 250GB PATA & WD 640GB SATA (on PCI SATA card LOL)
WinXP MCE 2004
Profile: journeyman
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Nop, you can't say what is your power supply with this information.

Open your case and look at the box where all the power cable comes together. Tell us the name and power rating (should something like 350Watts) and the maximum amperes on the 12 Volts.

For the video card, if you're going with the 2600XT, take the version with DDR3, the DDR2 version is cheaper but with less performance. Same thing for the 3650, if there any version with DDR2...

From the naming scheme of AMD, the 3670 should be the evolution of the 2600XT but it's very hard to find it, even more in AGP