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4800 Series not coming out until June-July!

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May 15, 2008 12:27:11 AM

Well i would have liked them to be released early but meh..Now GT200 going to be released first..What a surprise!

But good thing is at least they will be priced below 300 4870 may even be at or below 200! Cool...but i cant help but wonder what nvidia is doing?...Hmm im down to buy from either company!

More about : 4800 series coming june july

May 15, 2008 12:39:29 AM

Its just like w/ G92, nVidia beat ATi to the punch releasing the 8800gt before the 3870. I think many of us suspected that nVidia has been sitting on GT200 for a while.
May 15, 2008 12:55:52 AM

I'll wait till Octoberish and pick up the card with the best price/performance, by then demand should be down and stock up.

Hope the 48** turns out good, Ive been cheering for ATI for years now. And after the 9800 discrace I really don't want to give Nvidia my buisness.
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May 15, 2008 1:37:22 AM

It'll be a step up from 3870. I doubt it's going to be whole lot faster than 9800gtx.
May 15, 2008 2:20:31 AM

xx12amanxx said:
Well i would have liked them to be released early but meh..Now GT200 going to be released first..What a surprise!

But good thing is at least they will be priced below 300 4870 may even be at or below 200! Cool...but i cant help but wonder what nvidia is doing?...Hmm im down to buy from either company!

Where in the world did you get this info from? Please, let me know. What might happen is that we are gonna get RV770PRO with GDDR3 May 31st then the real RV770XT in Late June-July
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7700.html
May 15, 2008 2:22:00 AM

I'd love the 4870 to be priced that low, BTW, although it makes me suspicious. I remember when everyone saw the price of the HD2900XT, people were like WTF, its specs kill the 8800GTX, why is it so much cheaper??well, now we know, its performance wasnt up to par. It might be the same case this time around.
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May 15, 2008 2:24:18 AM

xx12amanxx said:
Well i would have liked them to be released early but meh..Now GT200 going to be released first..What a surprise!

But good thing is at least they will be priced below 300 4870 may even be at or below 200! Cool...but i cant help but wonder what nvidia is doing?...Hmm im down to buy from either company!



So wats the msrp of the 9900gtx?
May 15, 2008 2:31:01 AM

dONT ASk, OH BTW i SAW where you got the article, right here on Toms, duh. These cards look like they'll dissapoint. I was really hoping on the advent of a 1GB framebuffer, a useful one dammit, but I guess we'll still have to wait.
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May 15, 2008 2:34:28 AM

the spec dont seem that bad. 500$ isnt to bad unless its 30-40% faster then the 9800gx2.
May 15, 2008 2:40:12 AM

you mean it isnt that bad IF its 30-40% faster than the 9800GX2
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May 15, 2008 2:48:56 AM

yes lol.
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May 15, 2008 4:52:40 AM

xx12amanxx said:
Well i would have liked them to be released early but meh..Now GT200 going to be released first..What a surprise!


Could you please point me to one of those GT200s that's available right now?

Until they launch or at least release to reviewers and pre-order, I wouldn't bet on which is first.
May 15, 2008 5:13:01 AM

marvelous211 said:
It'll be a step up from 3870. I doubt it's going to be whole lot faster than 9800gtx.


if its equivalent to a 3870x2 without the glitches in dx10, then i'd quantify it as the new 8800 gt!

9800 gtx .. everything i've read points to that being a waste of money unless you SLI it?
May 15, 2008 5:16:38 AM

even then its still a waste. The G92 GTS is much better
May 15, 2008 5:38:47 AM

I expect the RV770 more than GT200.
May 15, 2008 6:12:39 AM

ovaltineplease said:
if its equivalent to a 3870x2 without the glitches in dx10, then i'd quantify it as the new 8800 gt!

9800 gtx .. everything i've read points to that being a waste of money unless you SLI it?


Yes, I'll get a 4870x2 in the fall, can't afford one until then. I do wish I'd known back in February. I would have held off on the 3870x2 (that's why I can't afford one in June).

While I hope it gives G200 a run for it's money, I know that AVIVO is better than Pure Cinema and I do more than just play games.

I think 512 megs is a bit low nowadays. Perhaps they should have stuck with GDDR3 and gone 1 gig on the 4850 and 4870 and 2 gigs on the 4870x2?
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May 15, 2008 7:55:38 AM

Heres a guess, the 4800s will come out around the time G200 does. June? Then the X2 comes out, and nVidia has to top it, and theyll have to wait, cause usually nVidia doesnt just jump into a node change, they wait and perfect it, then shrink. Thatll give us one great card from ATI and nVidia , and the X2 will be killer like the G200, and faster until the refresh of the G200. Ive heard the die size is fairly large for the G200, whichll most likely prevent them for a G200X2 til the refresh. So theres my speculations
May 15, 2008 8:06:02 AM

Nvidia's CEO also doesn't like dual GPU cards. So, I was surprised at the 9800gx2 to begin with. If they come out with a dual GPU card, it should be single PCB, otherwise they're really missing an opportunity to innovate.

ASUS had an interesting part with the 3850x2 and I'd kind of hoped more companies would go that route because there needs to be a 4850x2 too. Why the need? To gain developer acceptance of a future dual core GPU and to get more and better Crossfire support across the board.

Maybe I'm the loner in thinking that $500 to $600 monster GPU's that replace Prescotts as the way to heat your house with a computer are dinosaurs that need to get hit by a big rock out of the blue?

Intel innovated by going back to Pentium 3/M designs for the C2D. AMD innovates for servers with K Whatever a Phenom is (9.5, 10?). ATI innovates with DX10.1 and single PCB dual GPU cards.

I don't see Nvidia innovating all that much except in naming schemes that make very slight variations on existing cards seem like the best new thing.

Makes me want to paraphrase The Hitchhiker's Guide's comment on what happens to the Sirius Cybernetics Marketing Department when the revolution comes. LOL

May 15, 2008 8:21:52 AM

Crazy-PC said:
I expect the RV770 more than GT200.



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May 15, 2008 8:25:32 AM

ovaltineplease said:
if its equivalent to a 3870x2 without the glitches in dx10, then i'd quantify it as the new 8800 gt!

9800 gtx .. everything i've read points to that being a waste of money unless you SLI it?


It would be close to 3870 x2 but not beat it.

9800gtx isn't worth it because G92GTS is just as good for much lower price and less noise and heat.
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May 15, 2008 8:33:46 AM

Therell always be room for a monster card. A card to make the claim, its the fastest. After reading tgdailys article, it seems as tho the 4870 is going to be very economica as far as power usage. Priced right, with a decent performance, nVidia just may have its hands full. Watch for nVidias G200 to be that monster, and its lessor "new" cards to be nothing other than die shrunk G92 types, with wider bus and faster memory. Like the GTS512, but say 384 or 512 bus, making it better than the 9800GTX, and thatll be the new GTS.
May 15, 2008 9:38:03 AM

marvelous211 said:
no


GT200 looks maybe too expensive for me while RV770 would within USD$ 349 :o 
May 15, 2008 9:41:31 AM

ffs !! no !! I am so desperate for another card right now and was eagerly waiting for the 48xx's.

Built my first system a few months ago, but transferred my old 8800GTS 320mg over from my old pc and have been waiting for these ever since ! Went for an X38 motherboard so I'm hoping for good things from the new 48xx's and I might make my first venture into dual cards with Crossfire.

Im actually gutted. Been trawling hardware sites everyday for weeks now in search of some news on their release. Was really hoping for late May/early June. Alas ... *sigh*
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May 15, 2008 10:02:36 AM

Heres my prediction short and sweet.
The ATI cards will be good performers,be released at a reasonable pricepoint and at the topend will out perform anything Nvidia currantly has easilly. Between 20-40% above a G92 GTS.
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May 15, 2008 10:14:00 AM

My thinking...

The 4870 should be a little quicker than the 3870x2, but it might struggle to keep pace with the 9800gx2. The 4870gx2 should be very nice tho.

nvidia's top of the line single core solution will be significantly quicker when it arrives. As for nvidia dula core solution...You will probably get a similar situation to now with the 9800x2 and 3870x2.

AMD will be priced well but i dont think they can match nvidia in terms of performance. However that isnt what AMD is gunning for... they want market share and they feel they can get that by making reasonably priced, effective gpu which hopefully dont use too much power.
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May 15, 2008 10:15:36 AM

mactronix said:
Heres my prediction short and sweet.
The ATI cards will be good performers,be released at a reasonable pricepoint and at the topend will out perform anything Nvidia currantly has easilly. Between 20-40% above a G92 GTS.
Thats my colours nailed to the mast
Mactronix :) 

Well Im not going to hold you to it (unless you have some kind of uncanny power over Hector) but I sure hope youre right :sol: 
May 15, 2008 11:02:13 AM

Can Nvidia do a dual core GT200?

Or would the power and thermals simply be dead against it?
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May 15, 2008 11:32:35 AM

Ive heard from 330^2 and larger for the die, so at that size itd be a burner. Even at 55nm its going to draw like crazy, so a X2 seems rather hard to do til 45 or even 40 comes along, which wont be til next year, maybe 45 by the end of this year
May 15, 2008 3:41:24 PM

I was getting sick and tired of waiting for the 4800s,until I read the Toms article.For the price of these cards you get 10.1 plus a physics engine ?I think the cards of choice will be the 4850.I think AMD is confident that they can compete with Nvidia head to head or they would not be waiting.Welcome back ATI
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May 15, 2008 4:23:42 PM

mactronix said:
Heres my prediction short and sweet.
The ATI cards will be good performers,be released at a reasonable pricepoint and at the topend will out perform anything Nvidia currantly has easilly. Between 20-40% above a G92 GTS.
Thats my colours nailed to the mast
Mactronix :) 


Sounds about right.

I'd add, my prediction that if the GT200 is what everyone expected as a G100 that it will outperform the top single chip HD4K of it's time, but also be more expensive.
The interesting thing will be the price/performance ratio again, and also the performance/transistor ratio as well.

A little dissapointing we won't get something more akin to the previous R700 rumours though, I would've liked a far more modular chip and makes alot more sense, but of course, not privy to the design issues. Probably still early for multi-die solutions, R7X2 sounds like it's laying the groundwork though.

Anywhoo, should be an interesting summer launch season. Now I'm just hoping that AMD can get those RV770s in some flavour into some laptops by the fall. Unlikely a GT200 will ever see itself there in anywhere near the same shape it would launch. I'd love an HD4850 style chip in an HDX.
May 15, 2008 4:51:49 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Therell always be room for a monster card. A card to make the claim, its the fastest. After reading tgdailys article, it seems as tho the 4870 is going to be very economica as far as power usage. Priced right, with a decent performance, nVidia just may have its hands full. Watch for nVidias G200 to be that monster, and its lessor "new" cards to be nothing other than die shrunk G92 types, with wider bus and faster memory. Like the GTS512, but say 384 or 512 bus, making it better than the 9800GTX, and thatll be the new GTS.

You're right and it seems that Nvidia is only trying to feed their egos by going for the highend only. Highend is not very profitable for companies either so expect ATI to pick up on a lot of market share as well. When the 8 Series came out, there was no middle man, no nice, sub 300$ performer. Imagine a repeat, except this time there is a middle man, and that being the 4800s. It will be very profitable for the Red Teem.
May 15, 2008 5:11:52 PM

lameness said:
My thinking...

The 4870 should be a little quicker than the 3870x2, but it might struggle to keep pace with the 9800gx2. The 4870gx2 should be very nice tho.

nvidia's top of the line single core solution will be significantly quicker when it arrives. As for nvidia dula core solution...You will probably get a similar situation to now with the 9800x2 and 3870x2.

AMD will be priced well but i dont think they can match nvidia in terms of performance. However that isnt what AMD is gunning for... they want market share and they feel they can get that by making reasonably priced, effective gpu which hopefully dont use too much power.


I think 4870 would be some where between 3870x2 and 3870. 4870 would have better AA performance than 3870. 4870 would be better where X2 fails.

Nvidia GT200 would cream the 4870. Nearly doubling the performance but the price, heat, and power consumption would make most people stay away from GT200 initially except for fps junkies.
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May 15, 2008 5:54:47 PM

They say the core clock won't be bove 800mhz, but they don't mention the shder clock. If it's still unhooked from the core the shaders could still bea heading north of 1GHZ while the core is lower.

However as the TMUs are the big drawback of the current gen, so if they are still doubling in the R7 architecture and they have the 800mhz, then that should give them a good boost versus last generation, however who knows versus the GT200.
May 15, 2008 6:11:40 PM

Last summer when i built my gaming rig, the g80's were all shinny and new, but i couldn't justify paying $600 for an 8800GTX or $450 for a GTS. Then all of a sudden the 320 came out and it was the undisputed price/perf king until the 8800gt came in out in fall.

I could easily see a repeat situation here, except that the red team will be aiming its cards at that $300 segment, where as Nvidia has been trying to outdo the 8800GTX for the last year...
May 15, 2008 6:40:27 PM

i just scan thru all this thread and don't see that it was mentioned, if it did, I must miss it and sorry about that.

Is anyone know that this 4800 card, will be able to handle/output the HDMI 1.3b TrueHD lossless audio format? Or we just simply don't know until they hit the market.

Thanks.
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May 15, 2008 7:05:18 PM

No one knows yet.

There was mention of improved colour support (IMO that means SOME Deep colour [probably just add 12bit, likely not 16bit] portion of the HDMI 1.3 format), but they only mention 7.1 audio, not whether or not that includes loseless. It may offer LPCM 7.1 support without DD-THD or DTS-HD-MA, but no one has mentioned it yet.

BTW, 7.1 TrueHD is part of the original 1.3, but optional in all versions.
May 15, 2008 8:46:27 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
No one knows yet.

There was mention of improved colour support (IMO that means SOME Deep colour [probably just add 12bit, likely not 16bit] portion of the HDMI 1.3 format), but they only mention 7.1 audio, not whether or not that includes loseless. It may offer LPCM 7.1 support without DD-THD or DTS-HD-MA, but no one has mentioned it yet.

BTW, 7.1 TrueHD is part of the original 1.3, but optional in all versions.


Thank you for your reply. I am not a gamer. I used my HTPC for BD/DVD/Recorded TV playback. As I know Auzentech will have a HDMI card come out in the near future. With that a BD HTPC user will able to send loseless format to loseless format receiver. Until then any HTPC users can't do HDMI out to receiver yet. Of course there are lot of people doing the analogue ways... Anyway, I really hope this card can do that and it will make sense for consumer and incentive to get such card verus additional HDMI sound card not to mention another slot. Thx.
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May 15, 2008 9:34:23 PM

You can still doi HDMI to Receiver, but yet you are currently limited to compressed 7.1 and 5.1 DD, DTS, and 2 ch LCPM.

It'll be interesting to see what they implement in the new spec, but lossless is unlike to be able to be carried over the DVI->HDMI connector, so it' will likely be limited to HDMI jack equipped models of the RV770.

Should be nice, and also for the laptops it would be good since most now ship with the HDMI adapter built-in. It's definitely extra circuitry that most people won't use (heck most still can't figure out how to get their HD2/3K series working), but it would be nice to have all the basic HDMI 1.3 options to allow for a nice HTPC solution.
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May 16, 2008 2:53:16 AM

Yeah, rumors of a UVD2 are coming out, and usually ATI is on top of the latest available, like DX10.1 for example, or UVD even
May 16, 2008 3:27:27 AM

marvelous211 said:
It would be close to 3870 x2 but not beat it.

9800gtx isn't worth it because G92GTS is just as good for much lower price and less noise and heat.


if its close to the 3870 x2 without the bugs then I think it'd be a great contender at its price point.

If it is like 200$ a card then you could crossfire them and probably get a pretty good bang for the buck compared to other dual gpu arrays

Well, i'd hope so anyways.
May 16, 2008 1:06:45 PM

you might find this interesting, from vr-zone.com. plenty scoff at what they put up but ive been keeping a close watch of rv770 news for months now and they've been pretty constant with reported specs and what-have-you, and a few other sites like tgdaily.com have recently posted very similar things. I reckon the real thing will be pretty close to the rumours. Anyway, here goes:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/RV770_Preliminary_Perfo...

this ones a fudzilla linked 1 though lol:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=276488
May 16, 2008 2:49:38 PM

looks like the 4850 is 25 % faster than the 8800gt.and the 4870 is also 25%fasterthan the 9800gtx and the 4870 should be as fast if not faster than thecurrent 3870x2.pretty nice for the start.but the gt200 is sure gonna get the performance crown again
May 16, 2008 3:31:11 PM

spoonboy said:
you might find this interesting, from vr-zone.com. plenty scoff at what they put up but ive been keeping a close watch of rv770 news for months now and they've been pretty constant with reported specs and what-have-you, and a few other sites like tgdaily.com have recently posted very similar things. I reckon the real thing will be pretty close to the rumours. Anyway, here goes:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/RV770_Preliminary_Perfo...

this ones a fudzilla linked 1 though lol:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=276488


I can believe those stats...they might be slightly polished but i reckon they will be in the ball park. Iam sure that the 4870xt will beat anything thats out there at the moment (single core). Like i said i can see this midway between 3870x2 and the 9800gx2.
May 16, 2008 3:45:40 PM

but what would the gt200 deliver.there is no chance they would be putting anything less powerful than a 9800gtx.i have another thought too.if this preview was done in DX10,what would be the results in DX10.1 in vista SP1?as earlier reported,the hd3800s gain from 20-30% boost.how would that factor in?
May 16, 2008 5:24:00 PM

Maybe, but no dx10.1 games in the sight at this moment...
May 16, 2008 5:39:58 PM

spoonboy said:
you might find this interesting, from vr-zone.com. plenty scoff at what they put up but ive been keeping a close watch of rv770 news for months now and they've been pretty constant with reported specs and what-have-you, and a few other sites like tgdaily.com have recently posted very similar things. I reckon the real thing will be pretty close to the rumours. Anyway, here goes:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/RV770_Preliminary_Perfo...

this ones a fudzilla linked 1 though lol:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=276488


Sounds about right with spec rumors.
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May 16, 2008 6:10:41 PM

hannibal said:
Maybe, but no dx10.1 games in the sight at this moment...


Well actually with Assasin's Cred it was in sight and then nVidia *cough* UBi took it away.

I don't think it's a killer app now, but for anyone buying longer term, it's definitely a consideration with proven benefits.
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