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AMD Phenom V.S. E8400?

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June 4, 2008 6:04:20 PM

I'm building a new PC and I have a Phenom 9500 in my current PC, Will I see a 15%+ Performance Increase with a E8400? Think of it this way- Would you rather have $200 for something else like better graphics or better ram? I was comparing the Phenom 9500 to the Q6600 on a benchmark here and there is only a 10% speed increase. Why is everyone hating AMD? I have 3 Phenoms in my house and none of them have the TLB bug... They only run at 45c at full load...

What I'll be playing:
Crysis(I get 35FPS Now, probably from my sucky 8600GT though :(  )
Halo 2 PC(I Get 50FPS, shooting for 100FPS with a 8800GTS or 8800GTX )
Call Of Duty 4(I Get 62FPS with Fraps)

Current Specs:
AMD Phenom 9500
4GB DDR2 667 RAM
8600GT
Dual 10,000RPM SCSI Drives(No Raid)

I plan on using 1 of the SCSI Drives also.

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June 4, 2008 6:20:40 PM

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I get 35FPS Now, probably from my sucky 8600GT though

Seems you already know what the problem is. Why are you concerned about your processor?

Spend the money on updating the graphics.
June 4, 2008 6:22:33 PM

AMD chips depend heavily on RAM speed. DDRII667 will be a bit of a bottleneck.

10% at stock speeds is a a fairly large gap, especially when you consider that the Q6600 has a "free" OC to 3.0ghz, and easily gets above that.

The E8400 will blow the pants off the phenom in any apps that do not take advantage of multiple cores.
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June 4, 2008 6:38:37 PM

E8400 (@3Ghz) is a better chip for the speed but a AMD 6000+ (@3Ghz) will run games the same and is $50-100 cheaper depending on when and who you buy it from.

If I myself was building a unit to add to my LAN today the extra money would go into a 8800GTS (G92) rather than the CPU.
June 4, 2008 6:49:18 PM

just get a 8800gt or 8800gts and be done with it. u wont run into bottlenecks with a 8600gt.... i have a e4600 and i dont run into bottlenecks with my 8800gt. if at all is that when my framerate dips it dips to 38 even 30 sometimes all maxed out in cod2 at 1680 * 1050 with 26vs26 online with smoke and dust sniping. i overclocked the processor and the framerates jumps up in those scenes. overall, u wont notice bottlenecks with a weak gpu. the framerates hit as high as 200 in cod2 maxed out. i think 200 is the limit.
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June 4, 2008 6:50:02 PM

Exactly what i did, i got the 6000+ @ 3 Ghz and opted for the 8800 GTS 512 (G92). I have had NO problems at all, i say stick with what you got instead of switching platforms and wait for the new stuff to arrive, Intel and AMD are both planning new platforms...
June 4, 2008 7:01:09 PM

seriously. bottlenecks with a 8600GT? have you lost it?
June 4, 2008 7:24:33 PM

The E8500 is a bit faster but at 800X600 ~1024X768 will you notice much. quads get advantages in new games when you get the resolutions at and above 1280X1024. The first test makes the E8500 look good but who plays at 800X600. The other 2 show that an E8400 would slip at or below a phenom 9500. Crysis would be better with a quad.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_phenom_9850_black_edition_review/page6.asp

COD4 does show better performanceon for the E8500 than stock quads but a stock Q6600 is right on its butt. These are low clocked quads and no question the Q6600 has more to gain from OCing. The Q6600 has 1.4GHz head room to its max while the E8500 only about 1~1.1GHz. The E8400 on this benchmark would fall right at the Q6600 and phenom 9850.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_phenom_9850_black_edition_review/page10.asp

I would suggest you buy a mid high end GPU with the $200. I think the best bang for the buck is the 9600GT or 8800GT but wait for the new GPU's as this will lower price or give you a better GPU. ATI's 4850 and Nvidia's 200 series are to release in June.
June 4, 2008 7:24:50 PM

I think it better to just go with a new graphic card becasue not only is it going to be 200 for the proc but you will also need another 100 for the board unless you got a spare intel board that can support the wolfdale laying around.
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June 4, 2008 8:07:59 PM

pcgamer12 said:
just get a 8800gt or 8800gts and be done with it. u wont run into bottlenecks with a 8600gt.... i have a e4600 and i dont run into bottlenecks with my 8800gt. if at all is that when my framerate dips it dips to 38 even 30 sometimes all maxed out in cod2 at 1680 * 1050 with 26vs26 online with smoke and dust sniping. i overclocked the processor and the framerates jumps up in those scenes. overall, u wont notice bottlenecks with a weak gpu. the framerates hit as high as 200 in cod2 maxed out. i think 200 is the limit.

I think not :sol: 
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June 4, 2008 8:46:40 PM

235FPS :ouch:  What's the specs? Also thats CoD 4 btw.
June 4, 2008 9:13:12 PM

at this hour of the product cycle game, get a new gpu...first week of july. also bear in mind, amd systems like ati graphics. i'm not bagging on nvidia framerates...but as a filmmaker, i occasionally do dis their image quality.
just my couple pennies...
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June 4, 2008 10:28:08 PM

Shadow703793 said:
235FPS :ouch:  What's the specs? Also thats CoD 4 btw.

:??:  I'm old and get confused between 2's and 4's :lol:  , E8400 @ 3.6 and a pair of 8800GT's @ 600/1500/900 on an Abit IN9 32X-MAX Wi-Fi with 2GB of OCZ Reapers powered by a Corsair 620HX. I'll have to dig out COD2 and fire it up, if I can remember where I put it. :) 
June 4, 2008 11:59:48 PM

I would much rather spend the money you have on an upgraded graphics card.
Somthing like a ati 3870 or 8800gt
June 5, 2008 1:40:48 AM

Sort your GFX card first. I got to SLI GTS512s before I upgraded from E4300 to E8400 (and my OCed 4300 got almost the same 3Dmark05 as the stock 8400).

These days if you're gaming, you should be spending twice as much on the GPU as the CPU, as that's where most of the processing goes on (unless you play a lot of RTS and have thousands of units in-game).

The E8400 is one hell of an overclocker. A 33% overclock from 3GHz to 4GHz is normal with even midrange cooling, and the magical 50% can be achieved with good cooling. I'd like to see any modern 90nm chip manage that, as they're already pushed to the limit.
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June 8, 2008 2:29:24 PM

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June 8, 2008 3:36:47 PM

I agree we most here ,change the gpu the Phenom 9500 is not the issue.My 9500 is oc to 3ghz on an MSI 790fx with 4gigs of G.skill 1066 ram,with a HD2900pro oc to 750/860.Just waiting for the new gpu's.
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